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Post by texmexshrew on Apr 20, 2004 21:45:56 GMT 1
To quote the great commentator Andy Davies
"absolute knobhead".....
in reaction to Cramb asking to be subbed. Subsequently stormed off down tunnel after being replaced by GrandMaster Duane Darby.
Last game for the club? Heavily fined for dissent?
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Post by aistonisgod on Apr 20, 2004 21:48:42 GMT 1
So what exactly happened with Cramb then? Why did he ask to be subed?
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 20, 2004 21:50:24 GMT 1
Doesn't look good does it...schade...
I have been impressed with Cramb from the little I have seen and I think it's great to have such a clever player in the squad...he is a decent player. However, he may have over stepped the mark this evening...be interesting to know what went on...
Lets hope he calms down and things can be sorted...
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Post by texmexshrew on Apr 20, 2004 21:55:59 GMT 1
i think he was frustrated at the poor referring and his previous yellow for dissent.
clearly couldnt trust himself to keep his mouth shut.
In there is undoubted talent, but also a poor professional, and a great big bloody ego.
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Post by Dashers on Apr 20, 2004 21:57:10 GMT 1
I don't think he will ever be sorted out.....
His petulence is shown by how many clubs he's left behind him.......and no doubt how many more he will go to.
Sooner we git rid the better.........
He needs a lesson from Mr Darby about commitment etc
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 20, 2004 21:59:50 GMT 1
Well he has already made it clear that he doesn't like playing second fiddle and I guess he knows that he was only starting this evening so that Darby could be rested...he's not a happy bunny is he eh...
Guess it all got a tad too much for the fella once the ref sent off Moss, gave G&N the peno and then started to have a pop at him...
Still hope things can be sorted and he can still play some part in the play-offs...
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Post by Shrews and Royals on Apr 20, 2004 22:02:05 GMT 1
A talented footballer, undoubtedly.
Sadly, football history is littered with such talented footballers who fail to reach their full potential because there is more to it than raw skill.
Flitting in and out of concentration I can take to a certain extent with such players, as you know they can turn a game with one move.
When the line is crossed as far as it would seem it has tonight, then I think that, even with his talents, it is time to move on.
Should Quinn decide that is it (and given what happened with one of Reading's players in the past I think it will be) I'm reluctantly with him 100%.
Unfortunately I think that others will be cautious of giving him the opportunity to shine elsewhere.
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Post by texmexshrew on Apr 20, 2004 22:04:08 GMT 1
next to no chance of that now i would think Stutty.
Would send out all the wrong signals to the rest of the squad. We need unity now more than ever, the next 3 weeks are massive for us.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 20, 2004 22:09:42 GMT 1
I admit it doesn't look good but lets see what Quinn and Cramb have to say about it tomorrow...
Maybe Cramb was fed up with the ref, asked to be brought off as he thought he were gonna get himself set off which Quinn, who then him off, would want to avoid with the play-offs looming? Straws, grasping at I know... ;D
Will JQ hold out an olive branch...be interesting to see what happens thats for sure...
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Post by somersetshrew on Apr 20, 2004 22:12:18 GMT 1
whatever happens, this is not the stage of the season to have petty bickering at the club.
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Post by wiganshrew2 on Apr 20, 2004 23:09:50 GMT 1
Came across loud and clear on Radio Shropshire "Extra Time"- Cramby pushed Quinn out of the way on his way out! Strange thing happened Saturday, in Shrewsbury town centre, re Cramby. I gave some money to a guy collecting for Air Ambulance- got chatting and it turned out that he came from Crewe- and supported Crewe. He asked how Cramby was- and I told him- he hadn't been scoring much lately, after a promising start. Then he said, "Cramby was always a trouble- causer!!!" (Of course I'd say he had ADHD- I've been brainwashed into thinking all who have an attitude problem and go in for Teddy-chucking, have ADHD- they're impulsive, can't control themselves!!!!)
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Post by warbiesbread on Apr 20, 2004 23:59:46 GMT 1
Thought it was a poor show from cramb, but the pressure on him was great because of the following.
1) he was playing in a line up that spoke of squad players getting there turn those who don't get games given their head. 2) He has had to sit back and see the team develop without him.
And on another point i find it odd that the team is begining to gel and play well together, coming up to the most important games of the season and he changes the whole set up, puts players at risks and the team moral and cohesion. ?
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Post by MRJPSHREW on Apr 21, 2004 0:12:34 GMT 1
according to someone close to the tunnel
Cramb to bench "what am I to do the ref is giving me stick"
Bench "Cramby calm down" Cramb "Or what?" Bench "the refs useless leave it cramby" Cramb "take me bloody off then"
You know the rest.
Cramb cries off!
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Post by mysticmurray on Apr 21, 2004 0:13:34 GMT 1
silly billy
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Post by rob on Apr 21, 2004 0:22:15 GMT 1
Cramb asked to be subbed?!
Yeah right, he looked thouroughly annoed to be subbed hense his reactio n to JQ.
Jimmy Quinn signed Cramb, everyone in lowerleague football knows what he is like. Its not as if JQ inherrited him.
The fact that he appears to be going downhill fast has to be partly blamed on Quinn. Its obvious he doesnt know how to handle the player and in some respects seems completely suprised by his attitude.
Come off it, we all knew what we were getting, so there is no point complaining. yes he was a prat tonight, but come on he is still leading goalscorer and has barely had a look in for months. What do you expect from someone with a tempremental attitude, especially after the way he's been treated this season.
As for the finger to the riverside. Well I'm afraid I didnt see that pricey. he is no worse than jemson, no one called for Jemmo to be sacked, and lets not forget jemson abused a disabled bloked, put the fingers up to the riverside, told the riverside to kiss his arse and often came across as bullying team mates. He too had wobblies at players and refs, and he too would often decide that things werent going his way so therefore he wasnt going to play.
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Post by MRJPSHREW on Apr 21, 2004 0:24:02 GMT 1
Rob read my post.
He basically said "so what change me then"
So they did!
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Post by mysticmurray on Apr 21, 2004 0:24:19 GMT 1
now come on rob, no need to call jemo fat....
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Post by rob on Apr 21, 2004 0:28:42 GMT 1
JP as reliable as you are, your going on second hand information.
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Post by MRJPSHREW on Apr 21, 2004 0:31:33 GMT 1
That bit I could so clearly see for myself, he even grabbed his shirt and said "change me then"
No porky!
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Post by ssshrew on Apr 21, 2004 0:42:51 GMT 1
I must admit that I didn't see the gesture to the crowd as I am in the Centre Stand but if he did it then there is no doubt he is a disgrace. He was very very upset at being subbed with JQ or the Ref I don't know. I too suspect he won't be here next season. However, we mustn't forget that we wouldn't be 3rd if it weren't for his goals - he is still our top scorer. So if he goes shouldn't we just say thanks for the goals but sorry you're really just not our type of player after all and we really don't think you should treat us with such contempt - after all we do contribute to your wages.
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Post by rob on Apr 21, 2004 0:45:48 GMT 1
Such short memories. For the previous three seasons we've had a travelling egotistical childish nomadic prick as captain of the club, who has treated the fans with contemp, the club with contempt, officials with contempt and his own players with contempt. But hey lets forget Nigel Jemson ever happened, lets forget that he was respected and loved, lets forget that he was worse than Cramb.
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Post by MRJPSHREW on Apr 21, 2004 0:49:23 GMT 1
Yes we replaced one sulky chops with another and personally I havent missed the first one and shall not the last. Darbs is a much better team player anyway.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Apr 21, 2004 0:52:41 GMT 1
And on another point i find it odd that the team is begining to gel and play well together, coming up to the most important games of the season and he changes the whole set up, puts players at risks and the team moral and cohesion. ? An excellent point. The only changes needed to be those with a high yellow card count. Cramb let himself down badly tonight and also Shrewsbury Town Football Club. The quality of his play is something that we need.
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Post by rob on Apr 21, 2004 0:53:30 GMT 1
One thing about Darby as good as he is, he has had at least 8 one on ones in recent weeks and has fluffed them all.
That includes the Stevenage game, because he fluffed the one on one but got lucky in that he could put the rebound away.
Just because you dont miss Jemson/Cramb doesnt mean that you cant deny that when treated with some respect Cramb has qualities that noone else in a blue and partially amber shirt has.
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Post by ssshrew on Apr 21, 2004 1:02:30 GMT 1
Perhaps the temperament goes with that little bit of genius sometimes needed. Cramb = top scorer this season. Jemson = good for Lukey, scored goals, gave us a never to be forgotten time during and following the Everton game.
Perhaps what they both have lacked is a firm handed manager. After all, as far as we know, the only manager ever able to control Jemmo was Brian Clough - perhaps that says it all.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2004 1:12:43 GMT 1
Cramb has a right to be frustrated at being dropped earlier in the season but his response was hardly great.
What's wrong with getting your head down and working hard in training to prove someone wrong?
Cramb will leave in the summer. His talent will attract several clubs but is there a manager in the lower leagues who can take the baggage that comes with him?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2004 1:16:36 GMT 1
One thing about Darby as good as he is, he has had at least 8 one on ones in recent weeks and has fluffed them all. That includes the Stevenage game, because he fluffed the one on one but got lucky in that he could put the rebound away. Just because you dont miss Jemson/Cramb doesnt mean that you cant deny that when treated with some respect Cramb has qualities that noone else in a blue and partially amber shirt has. Rubbish Rob? 8 one on ones? Rubbish! Yet your defence of some players, while amicable, is nothing short of amazing.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Apr 21, 2004 1:18:34 GMT 1
Just because you dont miss Jemson/Cramb doesnt mean that you cant deny that when treated with some respect Cramb has qualities that noone else in a blue and partially amber shirt has. Correct
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Post by rob on Apr 21, 2004 1:18:53 GMT 1
Your right ant I suspect he'll be off in the summer, and its a shame because we havent seen the best of him and he hasnt be deployed to the best of his abilities.
As good as Darby is, I cant help but feel he does encourage the team to play very direct football.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2004 1:21:02 GMT 1
Your right ant I suspect he'll be off in the summer, and its a shame because we havent seen the best of him and he hasnt be deployed to the best of his abilities. As good as Darby is, I cant help but feel he does encourage the team to play very direct football. Don't agree with that either. Darby is most effective when either receiving the ball to his chest or feet and holding it up for others to play in or in terms of scoring goals when the ball is played in front of him from wide positions. How many managers out of the 19 that Colin Cramb has served under have got the best out of him? I'd suggest none.
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