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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2004 14:00:43 GMT 1
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Post by DRASFounder on Apr 20, 2004 14:02:29 GMT 1
I dont think he is but then there aren't many clean cut business men... I will take my words back when we are a division 1 club in 5 yrs time
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Post by Dale on Apr 20, 2004 14:07:18 GMT 1
How appropriate that a 'easymoney.com' pop up advert came up whilst loading up this article
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2004 14:10:52 GMT 1
A well written article- I think it should be sent to Colin Poole himself to see what he has to say directly about some of the points raised
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Post by rob on Apr 20, 2004 14:15:54 GMT 1
Wellmy dad was absolutley mortified that STFC had taken him on. Regurdless of the role he was too have at the club, dad thought it scandelous that the club were taking on a businessman with such an "interesting" past.
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Post by Stevenelsonfanclub on Apr 20, 2004 14:19:38 GMT 1
For the record, I think its a good move.
He's a man with extensive expertise in big business, which is vital to clubs of your size (see comarison at NBH). You need people with big company mentality and standards, not fish&chip shop owners running the show.
My rservation would be that he is too big and won't understand the fans (a la the end of season bash)
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Post by DRASFounder on Apr 20, 2004 14:21:56 GMT 1
For the record, I think its a good move. He's a man with extensive expertise in big business, which is vital to clubs of your size (see comarison at NBH). You need people with big company mentality and standards, not fish&chip shop owners running the show. My rservation would be that he is too big and won't understand the fans (a la the end of season bash) But what about the chance we take that we may end up going down the Telford route... its a chance surely not worth taking??
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Post by Stevenelsonfanclub on Apr 20, 2004 14:26:12 GMT 1
Not a chance I'd say.
This guy will (hopefully) look at building a business, not creating one. I think he has big company business and as such is unlikely to be on an ego-trip.
For me, Andy Shaw's credibility went out of the window the day I saw the bar was called "Joshua's" (His son), that is a man on an ego trip. Anyone related to the club would have wanted this to be called "Stan's Bar" or similar!!
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Post by DRASFounder on Apr 20, 2004 14:29:55 GMT 1
Some good points there SNFC
I never looked it like that....
Thing that worries me is that he isnt a fan, and would he start to alienate ppl like us
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Post by Stevenelsonfanclub on Apr 20, 2004 14:33:02 GMT 1
I would say not being a fan is a distinct advantage, you are removed from the passion that way. The difficulty is understanding that passion and what makes people tick. What Colin Poole enjoys, isn;t necessarily what the majority of fans would enjoy
I would be happy to do a B&A article on the subject.
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Post by DRASFounder on Apr 20, 2004 14:36:39 GMT 1
I would say not being a fan is a distinct advantage, you are removed from the passion that way. The difficulty is understanding that passion and what makes people tick. What Colin Poole enjoys, isn;t necessarily what the majority of fans would enjoy I would be happy to do a B&A article on the subject. That would be ace mate!
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Post by rob on Apr 20, 2004 14:39:28 GMT 1
You've got to look at his past.
He ripped people off left right and centre, he ripped the people off who were claiming for compensation, he ripped off this employees and he ripped off his business.
This is a ruthless man who isnt prepared to let anything get in the way of what he wants.
WE don't know what he wasnts.
What we do know is that he has come into a powerfull position at Gay meadow:
He has instantly made an "Interesting" appointment for marketing manager, and the events that are unfolded-kids for £4.50 and the awards night are not particulaly aimed at the fanbase.
We don't know what he wants, we dont know and of his motives.
To be honest I'm extremely scared that this man has just been allowed to waltz straight into the club.
Now is the time that we should all band together and prepare for the worst, becuase more often then not the worst happenes.
Surely now is the time a supporters trust is set up. The only way in future that the supporters of this club will have a meaningful say is if they all band together under a supporters trust to create a powerfull body which can look at influencing or haveing a pressence on the board.
Thats what I think
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Post by Stevenelsonfanclub on Apr 20, 2004 14:42:19 GMT 1
Some extremely valid points there.
The main concern for me would be whether the other directors have the presence an aptitude to keep him in check then.
If you look at us, it appears that AS just rode rough shod over everyone. The issue is that no-one had the presence, ability or nous to stand up to him, despite the fact that that was their corporate responsibility.
I'm not convinced about hiow switched on the other STFC directors are. I would say, go for a trust NOW, don;t wait until its too late like we have!
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Post by Mediolanum Shrew on Apr 20, 2004 14:42:46 GMT 1
This guy should be writing fanzines articles. It is as simple as that
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Post by Stevenelsonfanclub on Apr 20, 2004 14:43:41 GMT 1
Which guy?
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Post by DRASFounder on Apr 20, 2004 14:45:55 GMT 1
You speak some very wise words SNFC:)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2004 17:44:36 GMT 1
You've got to look at his past. He ripped people off left right and centre, he ripped the people off who were claiming for compensation, he ripped off this employees and he ripped off his business. This is a ruthless man who isnt prepared to let anything get in the way of what he wants. WE don't know what he wasnts. What we do know is that he has come into a powerfull position at Gay meadow: He has instantly made an "Interesting" appointment for marketing manager, and the events that are unfolded-kids for £4.50 and the awards night are not particulaly aimed at the fanbase. To be honest I'm extremely scared that this man has just been allowed to waltz straight into the club. I think some of the comments there are a little harsh and some are spot on. To make a lot of money in this world you have to be ruthless - it's as simple as that, you don't get many hard working, honest, clean millionaires walking around the place. He didn't break any laws in what he did at Claims Direct, ok the business he conducted may not have been moraly correct but he's shown he's a very intelligent man in the money he made from that organisation. About him just waltzing into STFC - Mr Poole has paid money to the club already and is not recieving a wage for what he is doing. If the current directors had just let him stroll into the club he'd be doing a lot more than what he is now. The directors are obviosuly checking him out before he does anything too much at the club to check what his intentions are. I agree with the point about Mark Peters, IMO that is a very poor appointment and a 'jobs for mates' case. You're very right in saying we don't know what he wants. Maybe he just wants to be part of a football club as he is so passionate about the game? Or maybe he thinks he can make a quick dollar from the club? (saying that, anybody who thinks they can make money out of football in the current climate must be mad)
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Post by shrewsbadger on Apr 20, 2004 18:03:32 GMT 1
I've always said that before you criticize someone you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2004 18:27:15 GMT 1
I think the fans have right to be cautious about Mr Poole.
Darlington, Carlisle, Telford, Chester, York are proof of what's the be cautious of.
Of course I hope Mr Poole does a grand job at the club.
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Post by Shrews and Royals on Apr 20, 2004 18:58:13 GMT 1
I think we were very lucky with John Madejski at Reading. A bloke who seems to be as unchanged as you can be with a shed load of money. He was in the cheaper restaurant with us Saturday night rather than the one with the AA rosettes. He did enter football as a business proposition, not as a fan, but admits he has become one. He is a shrewed business man who has given a great deal back as well as make a load. The £40 million he has pumped into Reading is a mere fraction of what it is worth to him now from the point of view of real estate. The vast majority of that was for the ground/hotel development and the training centre after that. He also purchased 83% of the total shares. That is worth a heck of a lot more now as the club has the immediate retail area too, and the revenues that generates, together with a first rate hotel. Interestingly, he feels that IF Reading get to The Premiership he may well decide that he has achieved what he wants too, and hand over the mantle. If clubs are to get the backing of a rich benefactor, then I would reccommend: A) They are open about what they want from it personally. B) They aren't going to worry about the amount of money they invest and suddenly loose it. C) They don't have a notorious past that may make people wonder about their honesty. D) They appoint well qualified people with appropriate experience. I was wary of JM at the start, but his openess and committment won me over. Have a look and decide whether you would have been more comfortable with a man like him coming on board. www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,7951-1052197,00.html
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Post by rob on Apr 20, 2004 19:41:30 GMT 1
Thats the problem Mr Loole has got a shadey past.
This man was made public enemy number one by the sun, slaughtered by the broadsheets and widely condemmed on Watchdoy by Anne Robinson.
We know little of what his aims are, we've been told very little by the current board.
His first appointment has been poor, and judging by recent events it seems that the club are distancing themselves from the main support (altho' thats probably just another PR fcuk up)
Now more so than ever STFC is at its most vonruble, yes the new ground is in the forground, however as a result we are open to vultures who want the land surrounding the ground.
Who knows how it will turn out, hopefully i can look back and think i was just scaremongering, however one thing is sure in English football, in that if things can go wrong they eventually will.
And I'd hate for us to be at war with a chairman or board of directors who see us as a pian in the arse. I dont want to have to through what Chester, Brighton, York,Bury and Telford fans have gone through.
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Post by pawlo on Apr 20, 2004 20:17:16 GMT 1
Im a bit torn on this, one part of me is just totally distrustfull of anything to do with big business, whilst another part says you need to be a sh$t to get anywhere. I feel quite sure RW loves the club as much as anyone and I dont think he would anything to jepodise the clubs future. The dealings in recent years with the council has shown what tw8ts we are up against, so a bit of ruthlessness wont go amis.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Apr 21, 2004 0:59:09 GMT 1
I would say, go for a trust NOW, don;t wait until its too late like we have! correct
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