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Post by pawlo on Feb 27, 2004 20:13:25 GMT 1
I agree with gins sentiment, what he is saying is spot on. But what I cant work out is why now, have I missed something, have the club decidid to go part time or something. I hate being in the conference, but you surely cant argue with the fact that we are in the conference on our merits, or lack of them. Every other team in the football league last year were better than us, simple as that. We are doing reasonably well and may well win promotion back to the league this year. Lets wait and see how this season turns out before we start bashing the club.
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Post by kickinpretty on Feb 27, 2004 20:24:52 GMT 1
I would hate us to be in the premiership, it would ruin the whole supporting Shrewsbury Town thing for me.
Lets just stay in the first division and leave the premiership games for the cup.
We wouldnt compete in the premiership and i would hate to see us lose week in week out, mid table in the first division would be heaven for me.
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Post by ginboomerang on Feb 27, 2004 20:32:14 GMT 1
the club can't carry all the blame for our current predicament, we as supporters haven't played our part, I made that point clear in the thread intro. We have accepted the status quo that is Shrewsbury Town. If Manure were to start slipping down the football league(we can only hope) there would be Government inquests in addition to supporters disgruntlements.
We are happy that we are the biggest team in the Conference.
Of course support the team and management, equally let them see emotion when they fail to deliver.
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Post by pawlo on Feb 27, 2004 20:49:53 GMT 1
Not all the blame perhaps, but most of it. STFC is a business and has been for many years. And like any business, if you dont give the customers what they want then they go somewhere esle to find it. If a company sell crap that no one wants ( not saying Town are) then you cant blame the customer for not going there. I am not glad we are the biggest team in the conference, but im happier than I was last May when we were the poorest club in the whole football league.
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Post by shrew8 on Feb 27, 2004 22:09:35 GMT 1
Well said. What a load of sh*t that is at the top. 'Poor Management' - Two things, Quinn hasn't done a bad job an we're neve going to get Alex Ferguson or Arsene Wenger. Live in the real world. We will never be a Premiership club and the underlying factor is finance. So put up with it or just shut up. Y o-yoing attendance figures. WE HAVE BY FAR THE HIGHEST ATTENDANCE IN THE CONFERENCE.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 27, 2004 22:53:03 GMT 1
"No amount of protests are going to make the board change their mind over anything"...
Somerset, I disagree. I still think that if the supporters of Shrewsbury Town would have called for the head of Ratcliffe last season then the board would have sacked him. This is one area that supporters can certainly influence the board!!
Shrew8...what are you on about? I think it might be worth while looking towards the time BEFORE Quinn arrived our kid? Maybe poor management was to blame for us falling into non-league? Or maybe it was good management...what do you think?
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Post by ginboomerang on Feb 27, 2004 22:54:13 GMT 1
that will make a good epitaph. 'Couldn't hack the Football League, but had by far the highest attendance in the Conference'
I'd rather have the lowest attendance in the Premiership.
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Post by pawlo on Feb 27, 2004 23:08:05 GMT 1
To disagree with what someone is saying is one thing, to say that what they are saying is " sh*te" is quite another. How rude shrews8.
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Post by ginboomerang on Feb 27, 2004 23:13:37 GMT 1
to say statements are sh*t is quite okay as long as they are qualified by statement of facts or at the least reasoned argument......I'm still waiting.
Fact : 118 years of football league history and a couple of F.A. Cup semi-finals to show for it, and now we grace the Conference. Personally I don't find that acceptable
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Post by ginboomerang on Feb 27, 2004 23:15:42 GMT 1
the semi-finals was wishful thinking, although I know the quarter-finals was okay by the majority.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 27, 2004 23:17:03 GMT 1
Steady our kid...just over 50 years of League history!!
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Post by ginboomerang on Feb 27, 2004 23:20:00 GMT 1
stuttgarter, that makes it only half as bad then
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 27, 2004 23:30:04 GMT 1
gin, I agree with a number of your points our kid but I was happy and content being a League club...whether that be 1st, 2nd or 3rd division. I don't expect the Town to be in the Prem, or the 1st...but I want to see them in the highest position which I believe is attainable...and 5th place (or indeed any position) in the Conference is not it...
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Post by bazeus on Feb 27, 2004 23:31:10 GMT 1
Right my twopenneth worth.
118 years of acceptance is a bit harsh to say the least, as a supporter for thirty odd years i think its fair to say ive had my highs and lows. I have shouted for heads to roll, managers to go jump etc etc, ive also enjoyed Ten years of div2 footie, cup quarter finals, wembley etc etc. Hand on heart i can say Shrewsbury town football club, excluding Family (put that in, in case wife reads this!) has been my all consumming passion, comments about the position we are in being solely down to the fans apathy and nothing to do with finance i find amusing!!, yes Wimbledon good example, not to forget Carlisle have made trips to the top. All to rare occurances in my opinion, but back in the real world there are a hell of a lot of clubs in the football league that would swap their history's with ours. Talk of premier football is all well and good, but like most people thats why i brought championship manager, so the town can take their rightful place amongst the world elite!!. Reality check, yes our fans can be apathetic, yes our board can amaze us with their ineptitude, yes fan power could have brought about Ratcliffes demise, but who amongst us after the Everton game could see what was going to happen before it was too late. (discuss!!!) I love Shrewsbury town football club S****y bogs and all, and if its premiership glory your after go buy an Arsenal shirt. I thank you.
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Post by ginboomerang on Feb 27, 2004 23:32:18 GMT 1
expect a counter thread 'Conference and Happy' stuttgarter
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Post by meoleshrew2 on Feb 27, 2004 23:35:34 GMT 1
Football is not a science, if it were then there would be no competition. To suggest the history of STFC has been one of acceptance is nothing but incredulous( or words to that effect) and somewhat arrogant, yes the club has suffered from bad management, on the pitch and at board level, that is part of all football clubs historys from the top to the bottom, Leeds, Bradford, Darlington, Exeter the list goes on, if anything dropping to the conference has done everyone who has anypart to play in STFC's future a huge lesson and made the club even stronger.
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Post by Baafly on Feb 27, 2004 23:50:51 GMT 1
We have to be realistic. It's a question of income, and a club will naturally gravitate to the level of its wealth. And wealth (unless that club finds a sugar daddy) is related to the level of its support.
Sometimes that club may over-perform in relation to its wealth (Wimbledon in the Premiership, us in the old Division 2), and sometimes a club will under-perform (Sheffield Weds in Division 2, us in the Conference).
But, inevitably, those over- and under-performances will (sooner or later) swing back to parity and maybe (as Buzz Lightyear might say) beyond.
But if anyone can tell me exactly how it will help us get back where we belong by yelling abuse at a player as soon as he makes a mistake, or booing the team if they fail to deliver a goal in the first 45 minutes of a game, then I may join them.
Similarly, if someone can prove that the road to success is achieved by getting rid of managers every six months, I'll be calling for JQ's head.
We got relegated. It was sh!t. But we're doing OK at the moment. Get behind the team and we can win either promotion or the FA Trophy, or both. Keep whinging, and I fear we'll alienate both the players (who are mostly new to us and eachother) and the manager (who is also fairly new).
The time for booing is at the end of a poor game. The time for sacking the manager is when the season has definitely been shown to be a f**k-up.
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Post by goindownthewylecop on Feb 28, 2004 0:44:31 GMT 1
Fact : 118 years of football league history and a couple of F.A. Cup semi-finals to show for it, and now we grace the Conference. Personally I don't find that acceptable So only the two incorrect facts in that post then?
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