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Post by ProfessorPatPending on Dec 10, 2003 0:25:57 GMT 1
Not happy about Town's performance tonight, not happy at all Heard Quinn on Radio Shropshire driving back saying he though we'd played well, I have to seriously disagree with that! If playing half decent for 20 minutes in the second half constitutes playing well then Quinn's standards are far too low Far too much long ball rubbish yet again and generally awful ball retention Quinn's team selection and tactics left much to be desired in my opinion Why change things tonight when our home record has been so good playing 4-4-2 or 4-3-3? We should be playing to our strengths, not experimenting with crazy formations due to the way the opposition lineup! Very few positives for me and far too many under par performances, I thought Martyn O'Connor was excellent tonight, my man of the match Banim looks a good signing, the lad certainly isn't short of confidence The referee was diabolical, he was the same idiot that charge of our game at Burton earlier this season and he was equally bad there We need to start picking up some points again because at this rate the playoffs are starting to look beyond us. Not happy
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Post by telfordite on Dec 10, 2003 0:29:23 GMT 1
mediocre oppostion? um we are 2nd in the form table and into the 4th round of the fa cup my dear cheer up least u didnt lose ;D
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Post by MRJPSHREW on Dec 10, 2003 0:33:41 GMT 1
Pat think about it.
It was as tense as anything out there tonight.
I am happy with that.
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Post by wiganshrew2 on Dec 10, 2003 0:40:12 GMT 1
To be honest, I feel relieved. Yes- I'd rather have a win, who wouldn't? But the way Radio Shropshire hyped it up about "competing for the title Kings of Shropshire"- it would have been 100% awful if we'd lost. It could have been a lot, lot worse. (Telford must have,after all been on a high after their victory on Saturday)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2003 2:32:29 GMT 1
Nah, quite satisfied here in West London, had a good drive home to think about the game and I was pleased with our display.
Roll on Sunday.
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Post by x emz x on Dec 10, 2003 2:37:21 GMT 1
woah woah woah telford person!!dont go beyond ureself your in round 3!!!! round 3!! understood not round 4, thats where we got 2 after beatin everton. tut tut!!make sure what u write is correct in future coz its annoyin. x
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2003 2:38:42 GMT 1
Not too bothered - Telford set out for a point and defended well, they're not a bad team.
We created a lot of chances and Howie didn't have a save to make - reasonably happy with the performance and thought Street was excellent.
"mediocre oppostion? um we are 2nd in the form table and into the 4th round of the fa cup my dear"
Btw - I was under the impression Telford were in the 3rd and not the 4th round of the Fa cup? ;D
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Post by Pilch on Dec 10, 2003 2:39:29 GMT 1
it was a local derby
form goes out of the window anything can happen
the best team does not always win
the best team didnt win
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Post by x emz x on Dec 10, 2003 2:40:48 GMT 1
yea agreed pilch,bit disappointing that town didnt win really.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Dec 10, 2003 2:45:19 GMT 1
PPP, now you are just looking for reasons to be depressed
come on lad, take some deep breaths, wait for the sunrise, tomorrow is a brand new day!
we got a hard earned draw against a team that completely mullered brentford on saturday
At 4.45pm on Saturday I would have taken 0-0
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Dec 10, 2003 9:55:02 GMT 1
Prof...thank the good Lord for Prof!!
If I had the money our kid I'd set you up as Chairman, your the only one who sees it like it is and I really am worried about the other Town fans on here being content with results like this and Tamworth...when will the excuses stop?
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Post by MRJPSHREW on Dec 10, 2003 10:00:52 GMT 1
Stutty get out of the past m8, we are in the conf now, we are a conf side wanting to get back into the league.
We cant expect - how much we would want to- roll teams over.
Sorry but get a grip.
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Post by welshyshrew on Dec 10, 2003 10:15:41 GMT 1
But surely none of us should be anywhere near content with the performances of the last 5 matches?
I include the Hereford match, as that showed the standard we should be trying to get near each game.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Dec 10, 2003 10:19:21 GMT 1
Roll teams over? Where did I say roll teams over? One nil would have done me fine last night JP...one nil would have been fine at Tamworth. A question for you...are we looking to gain promotion this season from the Conference, yeah? This is what we have set out to achieve at the start of the season, yeah? This is what we (well, I at least) considered realistic at the start of the season? And so how do you expect us to get promoted when we are dropping so many points in games that we should (if we do have genuine promotion ambitions) be winning?
Get a grip? Oh dear...I thought last season might have given Town fans the kick up the arse they needed but I'm not so sure now...I think it's time to get the pipe and slippers in and settle down for a bit...I think a fair few of you are happy to stay in the Conference for a good while yet!! ;D
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Post by telfordite on Dec 10, 2003 10:46:06 GMT 1
apologies round 3! i was tired and my eyes were deceiving me or could i have been dreaming ;D
thanku for a good spirited contest all the best
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Post by Ade Plimmer on Dec 10, 2003 12:07:53 GMT 1
Have to say PPP, and there aren't many times I would say this, I agree with you. Too many times we gave the ball away. Too many times we failed to boss the midfield. Greatb when Tolley breaks forward but when we are trying toc reate from midfield we are b******s.
Tactics wise, thought we were poor. We are so naive on the field of play it's untrue. Rodgers not passing just summed it up.
Banim was fantastic though, and I havent been that exicited since Rodgers first burst on the scene and before that Victor Kasule.
Telford were poor. Did the usual thing that all conference teams do, ie try and close us down, defend in numbers etc. Never really threatened.
As for us this season. Well half way stage and in 6th. Fine, but nothing has convinced me that we are good ernough as yet to go back up. But anything is possible.
We don't seem to have a team spirit, too many players lack effort at times. Deja vu from the last 16 years.
I do wonder about Quinn, but changing the manager isn't the option. We need stability, but for all those who think out and back in one season, forget it. We are going to be a non league for a while longer yet.
Can we survive in the meantime. That is the big question?
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Post by ProfessorPatPending on Dec 10, 2003 13:30:15 GMT 1
PPP, now you are just looking for reasons to be depressed come on lad, take some deep breaths, wait for the sunrise, tomorrow is a brand new day! we got a hard earned draw against a team that completely mullered brentford on saturday At 4.45pm on Saturday I would have taken 0-0 It sounds like people's standards are beginning to drop We have a squad that is probably better than last season's squad and we are being run as if we were still a league side, that means high expectations and quite rightly so in my opinion. I'm sorry but last night was not good enough, I expect better than drawing at home to a team 10th in the league Once again the standard of performance and the result was below what we should be producing Some people seem happy with a draw just becuase it was Telford, why? As I said, and still maintain, they were mediocre opposition, no better than average in terms of teams we've played at home so far this season, had it been Woking for example I doubt reaction would have been quite the same!
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Post by SeanBroseley on Dec 10, 2003 13:38:06 GMT 1
We have dropped two points against the best team in the division at the moment. One thing lacking tonight was the final third. Things just weren't coming off - especially in terms of service.
But if you are going to play Cramb then that is the way to properly deploy him.
Darby didn't look at the races, but apart from that the players responded reasonably well.
We could easily have lost that game with a less professional attitude (and if the ref hadn't missed the entirely clear penalty shout in the first half).
Both sides could have played until May and they would not have scored.
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Post by Welshyshrew on Dec 10, 2003 13:43:43 GMT 1
How would we have done against Chester tonight?
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Post by jkblue on Dec 10, 2003 13:55:42 GMT 1
Last night was totally unacceptable.
Forget how well Telford are doing at the moment, the perfromance last night was way short of what SHOULD be expected of professional footballers. Most of those players last night showed a total lack of quality on the ball and others just did not look bothered.
As for Quinn, I thought he was the right man for the job. He talked a good game but as everyone knows actions speak louder than words and he has done nothing to convince me he is a good enough. His tactics were totally wrong last night.
I can forgive some poor results but the way they played last night and for the whole season generally is far harder to forgive. Gregor Rioch has taken some stick on here but most of the other players are just as bad when they have the ball at their feet.
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Post by GM on Dec 10, 2003 14:01:28 GMT 1
Agree with PPP
we are dropping too many points the playoffs have to be a minimum for us at this rate we are going to be hard pushed. The longer we are in the conference the less funds we will have and I can't see the support being as good which has undoubtedly been magnificent this year. (All credit to you die hard supporters doing your bit to get the club back to the league).
JQ definitely a dodgy formation last night - stop arsing about stick to what works I would rather us grind out results.
We seem to lack some quality/polish maybe Banim will supply it. On paper we have the talent but in reality we don't seem to have the character - only every other week at best.
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Post by Worthingshrew on Dec 10, 2003 14:12:14 GMT 1
again we didn't play well,, but deserved to win. I'm reasonably happy with 6th given that we haven't really played well all season. Its unrealistic to expect to win the Conference at first attempt, and I don't think we'll catch Chester. However we'll definitely make the play-offs, and I think our experienced players will carry us through them.
I agree formation was wrong yesterday, but Quinn is doing a good job for me. Worried about Darby who I thought was a great signing, but i'm unsure now. However Banim was the most exciting player i've seen for Town for ages, and I include Luke in that.
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Post by blueandamber on Dec 10, 2003 14:25:00 GMT 1
I think that we need to keep the ball on the floor more, and have Banim and Rodgers upfront.
Aiston on the left Lowe on the right and keep four at the back, with Howie.
Maybe put Bell in with Tolley for away games as O' Connor playing away from home is usually not very good.
And otherwise, just play a positive game of football, none of this negative s*it.
4-4-2 is best in my opinion.
we need to start winning again, we need as many points as we can get or else I can't see us getting promoted unless we pull up our socks and start playing like we know we can, like we did against hereford.
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Post by MRJPSHREW on Dec 10, 2003 14:33:26 GMT 1
Stutty. I am merely on about last night and the tense atmosphere etc, local derby etc I would not excuse no less than 3 points against any other team in this division. Like I didnt against Tamworth,Leigh,Chester etc our performances have not been good enough and need to change. I spent all day yesterday scared fliping stiff of losing that one I was just and I am pleased with not losing it.
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Post by meadowgay on Dec 10, 2003 14:37:59 GMT 1
Listen.. Quinny has had far more money to spend than Ratters did. Has he spent it wisely..? Yes I think so, a few errors (Rioch).
However, people are questioning the way we play. Why did we win 9 games in pre-season and look world beaters..? What has changed..? Tactics.
A few people on this board were dead against this man coming back in the first place...Chic Bates. His football was dire when he managed us in the old Div 2 (ask plimmer, mattsnapper, grebo etc)
Why is all the banter on the board Quinn, Quinn, Quinn..??
Bates to go and bring back Jemson as coach.. Luke is missing him like there is no tomorrow, he'd install fire and drive into the team.. something missing.
Sorry.. but Chic out.
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Post by GM on Dec 10, 2003 14:42:47 GMT 1
If Chic was that dire then how come he Town to their highest ever League position???
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Dec 10, 2003 14:44:08 GMT 1
I'm with you JP_Shrew our kid, local game and all that...
Regarding Ade's comment...
'I do wonder about Quinn, but changing the manager isn't the option. We need stability, but for all those who think out and back in one season, forget it. We are going to be a non league for a while longer yet.'
I agree that sacking Quinn is not the solution, without question you can not sack a manager as things now stand...despite our concerns we are well placed in the Conference, we are still well within touching distance of the play-offs (not the automatic promotion place but I guess you can't have everything) and we have seen performances this season that give a clear indication that we have the foundation of a good footballing side...
However, these performances have been few and far between...the reason I am so unhappy with results like those at Woking, Leigh, Tamworth and at home last night against Telford is because I believe with the right man at the helm I think we should be more than capable of performing better than how we are now. I guess this attitude is what the supporters of other Conference clubs call arrogance. But the reason I think we should be doing better is because I would think that the manager of Shrewsbury Town has a great deal more to work with than many (if not all) managers in the Conference. Do we have the highest wage bill in the Conference? I would guess we have the best revenue throughout the season (i.e. attendances)...we are in excellent shape of the field of play. Quinn has (as far as we know) been able to bring in any player that he wished into the club, to be fair the board have been excellent in the backing of the manager...at yet we're still not quite there are we...
I'm hoping that with the capture of Jodi things are now gonna start to pick up, I hope this is the spark that is gonna get us up and running and back into the play-off places and hopefully better...
And finally, stability...yes please...on the field of play with regards to personnel and formation would be an excellent place to start...
Come on Town!!!
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Post by mattmw on Dec 10, 2003 16:04:17 GMT 1
I don't think now is the time to sack Quinn, however the board need to spell out to him in no uncertain terms that our current form (4 league wins out of the last 10) isn't good enough. He was appointed to get us back into the league and if we arn't in a position to do that by the end of January the board have to think very carefully if they are going to stick with Quinn or start to think about giving a new manager a few months of this season to get ready for the next season. And if Quinn happens to be reading this - please don't play Sammy Aiston at left back!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2003 16:05:46 GMT 1
Quinn's perogative from the board was playoffs at worst this season and automatic promotion next...
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Post by mattmw on Dec 10, 2003 16:20:46 GMT 1
On current form we are heading for something like 72-75 points which may not be good enough for the play-offs. I think this season is our best chance of getting promoted as I can't see the same numbers of supporters taking out season tickets next season and money is likely to be a lot tighter. I'd really like Quinn to be successful, I just think the board need to make it clear that they will act early if things arn't going right. i still have this nagging feeling that had Ratcliffe gone in February last year we would still be in the League - I don't want to have the same feelings this time next year.
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