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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Dec 10, 2003 1:45:38 GMT 1
1st half, Cramb is twelve yards out in space, and Luke just goes for glory
2nd Half, does well to get into a good position and then misses his chance poorly
what has happened to his first touch?
what has happened to his passing?
what happened to his finishing?
I wondered what had happened, whether aliens had come and stolen the real Luke Rodgers and put an imposter in his place, then I saw a glimpse of the real Luke Rodgers, wearing the number seven shirt and having an excellent debut
If Banim has not been signed as a replacement for Rodgers then you can paint me blue and call me Alfred
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Post by ShrewsAde on Dec 10, 2003 2:47:40 GMT 1
Heyalfred
I was sat by the dug-out, and JQ was not happy with LR , with two players in the box "un-marked" LR goes for goal - last season it went in this season he has compatriots ..., bugger
I cAN'T be bothered,
no Jemson! EH EH!!
crikey what am i saying....
Banim was "a fresh of breath air"
the new Messiah !!...
time for bed (again)
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Post by wiganshrew2 on Dec 10, 2003 11:24:51 GMT 1
I'm really disappointed about this- I loved Rodgers, he was my favourite- I loved his fighting "little terrier" attitude. Now it seems he's getting a BAD attitude- Can't be bothered- just waiting to move on. Incidentally TBH, Remember when you called him Todgers(on the other board, I think) by mistake? Was it a typing error, a freudian slip -or deliberate. (My husband laughed when I told him and said "Well- you know what THAT means don't you?" (I said "No, of course not- I've led a sheltered life"! Well -seems it could fit- only another similar word- and suffixed with the word "head"!
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Post by Bilbo on Dec 10, 2003 11:52:13 GMT 1
I agree with everything you say TBH. Banim looked so hungry for a goal it was a pleasure to watch, I hope he starts on Sunday.
Street was man of the match for me, but Banim was a close second even though we didn't see him for as long as i would of liked.
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Post by Ade Plimmer on Dec 10, 2003 12:00:12 GMT 1
It like I was saying last night. Sooner he goes the better! He's not a team player anymore. We need team players.
But wasn't Banim fantastic!
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Post by telfordSHREWS on Dec 10, 2003 12:01:12 GMT 1
The lad probably needs to work on his fitness , and will need a little time to adjust as he's now playing at a slightly higher level than before.
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Post by ShrewsandRoyals on Dec 10, 2003 13:06:20 GMT 1
As I have said before, it's the first time Luke has had to deal with things not working automatically for him, and it won't be the last. The measure of a great player is how they deal with a loss of form.
Comments from a number of threads on the board show it is difficult for players to do the right thing. Many complain that players don't take responsiblity for taking a shot themselves, others complain players are too greedy. How do you play yourself out of a bad run? Have the confidence to keep trying yourself or avoid the possibility of failing to score all the time?
There were times that there were better options available last night. There always are. Sometimes there is a fineline between what options people should have taken - as was the case with that shot that Luke when Banim was clear. Was he right to shoot - possibly so after all it was inches wide. Banim looks good, but remember that there was no guarantee that he would have scored either. Many more established players saw goal and leaned back as they shot sending the ball skyward last night.
We shouldn't confuse what MAY BE frustration at form, with a lack of caring. I certainly know that I feel like giving up when I've done my best and it isn't going the way I want it too having put all my effort into something. We don't really know what he was thinking/feeling (apart from more rumours!).
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Post by SeanBroseley on Dec 10, 2003 13:33:37 GMT 1
At least Luke Rodgers is starting games again. Play him and he'll get through his goal-less spell. If he's doing something you don't like then you coach him. What you don't do is leave him on the bench.
When he got the ball the Telford defenders were very wary of him.
Banim has quick feet but he going to be nowhere the athlete that Luke Rodgers is.
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Post by welshyshrew on Dec 10, 2003 13:40:26 GMT 1
I mentioned this before but think it's just as relevant now.
Away to Stevenage, Quinn was up front with Luke and yet gave him no encouragement, feedback or anything else during one of Rodgers' poorest games.
Luke should be an incredible asset to this club. As of May 2003 he was consistently scoring goals, working incredibly hard, keeping possession, making chances, pulling people out of possession and giving defences the times of their lives.
Why he isn't doing that now is down to a combination of poor man-management from Quinn, including his relegation to the bench, and poor support from the rest of his team-mates.
That's resulted in a dip of formand whilst Luke needs to shoulder some responsibility (like he has done before), he also needs some help.
Personally, I don't see it forthcoming and just hope we get a decent price for the lad and that he goes on and has a superb career.
Luke Rodgers - STFC Legend.
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Post by GM on Dec 10, 2003 15:16:31 GMT 1
Rodgers is still a good player, (he is just firing on three cylinders) the guy must be lacking in confidence or feeling the pressure from JQ and the fans, anyway he gets paid to deal with it so he got to learn to cope
he is probably on his way altho with JQs latest formation he could be right wing back before we know it.
The bottom line is STFC want a goal machine, Rodgers, Banim, Cramb who cares as long as they take their chances.
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Post by mattmw on Dec 10, 2003 16:32:09 GMT 1
Rodgers lack of form does seem odd i wonder if it has anything to do with Quinns coaching. I can't say I've been overly impressed with how Quinn has handled our younger players, Moss and Tolley have done well this season, but he seems to have given up on Drysdale, Dunbavin, Murry, Fitzpatrick and Glen Tolley. I thought our youth set up was supposed to be bringing young players into the side, but its not really happening. It must be a bit dishartening for 20 year olds in the squad when they see a 44 year old taking a place in the squad instead of them.
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Post by MRJPSHREW on Dec 10, 2003 16:53:35 GMT 1
If ever a player needs to move for his own career its now for Luke, he is too good for this league and once he goes back he'll show it
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Post by faginy on Dec 10, 2003 16:56:45 GMT 1
some of you on here have such short memories. when crewe made their bid in the summer, there was uproar about Luke going......some of you even said you wouldn't go down the Meadow again if Luke was sold... now all of a sudden, its acceptable for Luke to be sold
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Post by Carter on Dec 10, 2003 16:57:30 GMT 1
I think he's getting desparate for a goal and it shows...
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Post by skipwithrob on Dec 10, 2003 17:21:13 GMT 1
How can people say that Luke doesn't care?
he's not in the best of form, but there will be a number of reasons for it. Being dropped won't help his form come about.
Yes luke should have passed to Cramb/Tolley in the first half, but he is paid to score goals, thus it is expected that he will attempt to try and score goals. He is only 21/22, so is still learning the game, and is bound to make mistakes. We all see Van nistelrooy being greedy yet he doesnt get criticised for it.
As for his effort, well I thought Luke by and large held the ball up well, he competed in the air well, if he lost the ball he went into the tackle looking for it back.
His touch was no worse than crambs last night. Was he being greedy when he tried the beautifull defence splitting throughball in the first half that Tolley couldnt quite reach.What about the number of times he chased back looking for the ball.
We're criticising a player for missing chances that other players in our team would not have the physical attributes or technical ability to get into the positions in which to miss the chances.
yes is off form, but he still looks pretty damn good.
As for banim, well he looks pretty nifty too!
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Post by edinburghshrew on Dec 10, 2003 18:04:50 GMT 1
Part of the reason we don't mind seeing Luke go is that we have got more than enough goalscorers now, espeicially with Banim.
Personally I think he is too good for this league anyway, him and Quinn don't seem to be getting on and with our wage bill we need the money...so...with a heavy heart...letting him go is the best option.
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Post by Paul Williams on Dec 10, 2003 19:19:53 GMT 1
I am amazed by comments on this thread. For sure Luke is a victim of his own past success but this is no time to write him off. I dont know what is going on behind the scenes but if it has effected him you don't become a bad player over night. His main attribute has always been his workrate and as long as he keeps this up he will return to form. Dont give up on him now !!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2003 19:21:18 GMT 1
Aye you are right Paul. As long as he remains a Salop player he will remain one of, if not our biggest asset.
Come on Luke you can do it!
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Post by Northwest Shrew on Dec 10, 2003 19:24:54 GMT 1
the real luke has not yet left the building.
he's there and although i agree with what's being said, he'll come good and proved last night he still has it.
purely by taking the shot instead of pulling it back for cramb, this proved we still have the real luke rodgers.
keep the faith,
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Post by edinburghshrew on Dec 10, 2003 19:40:54 GMT 1
I don't think Rodgers has become a bad player, he is still one of the best we have in the squad.
But with all the strikers we have now we can afford to let him go. Previously we were almost totally reliant on Luke, but now we have a better strikeforce.
I'll be sad to see him go, but it will not prove to be as disastrous for the team as it would have been before.
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Post by tom_leather on Dec 10, 2003 19:51:35 GMT 1
Personally id liek to see rodgers, banim and another maybe cramb start up front, playin gth esame formation as yesterday. Rodgers is still quality he just needs confidence and some goals under his belt i think people forget how many goals hes scored so far this season
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Post by skipwithrob on Dec 10, 2003 20:05:19 GMT 1
on another day while we would have scored a few, I think we'd certanly concede a few. Sam, however well he played last night defensively is generally not known for his defensive qualities, especially his tackling.
The problem with 3-4-3, as we played it was that the wingers were made to aware of their defensive responsiabilities, as a result they didnt offer enough width going forward. From what I've seen of Street, when he's outwide he looks as if he is always looking to come inside and get involved in the middle of the park.
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Post by ProfessorPatPending on Dec 10, 2003 23:18:26 GMT 1
Street is not a natural wide player in my opinion
As for Rodgers, whilst he's here he should be playing, not warming the bench, that said I agree with those who think it's now the right time for him to move on for his own good and before he becomes stale at this level
It's also probably financially the right time for the club to think along those lines as his value is only likely to go down from now on
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Dec 11, 2003 0:55:30 GMT 1
I would like to see Luke Rodgers play every game while he is still at the club
He is an outstanding talent
But I think last night showed us what we need to know, Banim is an obvious replacement, Quinn has signed two target men, and Rodgers is obviously not a happy bunny, while still trying hard
Luke Rodgers is and always will be a Shrewsbury legend, close to the best player in the last ten years, for me only Walton 1994 could come close
Part of me was trying to stoke up some debate, part of me cannot believe that Jimmy Quinn is slowly freezing out our best player, and we seem to be letting it happen, and part of me also wants to see Luke move on for the benefit of his career because he's a young lad with a lot of talent
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