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Post by craig on Nov 30, 2003 23:15:35 GMT 1
"We have to accept that we will NOT beat every part time side 4-0 at their place."
I think a lot of fans have long since realised that is not the case. 1 win in our last 8 away games is surely one of the worst away records in the division (I might check that out later).
I don't think fans would complain half as much (well me anyway!) if we actually played well, or even OK. But that performance was dire, and it isn't the first time this season.
I can handle drawing or getting beat if we have played well, but seeing us resort to hoofing the ball continuously (most of the time into the corners like we were playing rugby even if there were no Town players within 20 yards of the 'pass') is sickening.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Nov 30, 2003 23:29:24 GMT 1
"We have to accept that we will NOT beat every part time side 4-0 at their place." I think a lot of fans have long since realised that is not the case. 1 win in our last 8 away games is surely one of the worst away records in the division (I might check that out later). I don't think fans would complain half as much (well me anyway!) if we actually played well, or even OK. But that performance was dire, and it isn't the first time this season. I can handle drawing or getting beat if we have played well, but seeing us resort to hoofing the ball continuously (most of the time into the corners like we were playing rugby even if there were no Town players within 20 yards of the 'pass') is sickening. That is my point all along, first and foremost it is about points, then it is about performances, 2 points from last three away games isn't enough, and two of thos three games have been very poor performances, with exeter being poor first half (I am led to believe) Well that is actually 7 dropped points in total, and even with just two of those in the beag we would be closer ot the top Mind you, if our performance at leigh was translated into what we did to Hereford, then God only know what we are going to do to Telford. 5-0 Shrewsbury surely?
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Post by ProfessorPatPending on Dec 1, 2003 0:07:46 GMT 1
"1 win in our last 8 away games is surely one of the worst away records in the division" According the the current form leagues on confguide we're top of the league in terms of home form over the last 8 home games but only 12th in terms of away form over the last 8 away games, it's obvious where the problem lies! www.confguide.com/cgi-bin/form.mpl/2003
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Post by SeanBroseley on Dec 1, 2003 1:05:31 GMT 1
Thankfully, I didn't even hear the commentary a I was at a family get together in Notts. I am related to a Stevenage Borough season ticket holder - but only through marriage I hasten to add.
There's nowt wrong with the long ball - as long as it goes to our players and isn't the only tactic. We won't start playign football unless Cramb comes short, that then gets the passing and moving going.
When I saw the half-time score and that O'Connor had been sent off it was clear that we had problems, and I wasn't surpsired by the final score. The opposition's high goals to chances ratio is no surprise either.
I thought things would start to click in October, it's nearly December. I think this is as good as its going to get. Given the rubbush we have played this season it is amazing to me that we are only 8 points of the lead with one game in hand. May be we will get into the play-ofs, but if it comes to a fight too many of our team won't be up for it.
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Post by TOWN2001 on Dec 1, 2003 1:33:32 GMT 1
We were absolute Sh*te! Don't anyone suggest otherwise. Tamworth would just about survive in the Telford Sunday League. What have we come to??
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Dec 1, 2003 9:40:31 GMT 1
'You have a go at the players having the same opinion as you, that they should be able to walk all over the likes of Tamworth. If the town player should be professional and take all opposition seriously then surely the supporters should to.'...oh dear...that is with doubt one of the worst posts I've ever seen, what on earth has the opinion of the supporters with regards to the opposition got to do with how the players approach a game??! Nowt, that's what...
All I've said from the start is that I expect Shrewsbury Town to have enough to hold a one nil lead versus Tamworth for 60 minutes with ten men (home or away), in my opinion they should be capable of that...and as they were unable to do so I see Saturdays result as very disappointing...
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Post by Plug6 on Dec 1, 2003 9:51:41 GMT 1
I agree with LoyalShrew - I can see where the other conference fans are coming from now when they say we are arrogant. You can also hear it at games from our fans (the arrogance that is!). We need to get the mentallity that we are guarrenteed winners before we go into games just because the majority of fans think we are playing small clubs. How long have Hereford been in this division? I bet their fans thought they were the biggest team in the non-leauge when they were relegated Yes we did !!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2003 10:05:37 GMT 1
It surprises me Stutty - you were saying not to panic when we were being totally out-played by Exeter but then are very dissapointed when we concede a goal playing with only ten men.
I too maintain there's been an over-reaction from this result. Granted it wasn't ideal but it's far from the end of the World either.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Dec 1, 2003 11:05:03 GMT 1
I too maintain there's been an over-reaction from this result. Granted it wasn't ideal but it's far from the end of the World either. But it isn't this result is it ant, it's tamworth, yes, then exeter, then leigh, even forest green was poor, stevenage was poor Add into this two good performances, gravesend and hereford, and we see a pattern emerging of inconsistent form I think it is an overeaction to the hereford result to suggest we are not currently in a poor run of form, even FGR was pretty grim although a decent result I can understand the "give them time" mentality, but equally i don't think anyone can defend the way we are playing at the moment we all want STFC to succeed, we all want the best, we all want an improvement. I cannot fathom how we are still remotely near the top but we are, and we need to build on this with a good run of form Performances like the ones mentioned aren't good enough to sustain anything but mid table this year. Buildng on what we did to Hereford and Gravesend, even Burton and Accrington, that puts us in with a shout We all know we want the best for STFC, but we must see an improvement in both performance and consistency
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Post by True_Shrew on Dec 1, 2003 11:13:13 GMT 1
I have to agree with Loyalshrew on this one, due to the circumstances I think that a point is the right result.
What happenend if we had won the game 1-0 then? The same moaners would be saying ' we played a bit dodgy but 3 points is all that matters'. Just because we conceded a late goal everyone is jumping on the bandwagon dissing alot of hardwork done in a very difficult situation.
I don't know how many of you actually play football but at any standard 10 men vs. 11 is bl00dy hardwork and just because we think we have the godgiven right to beat 'part-timers' then we are taking the credit away from Tamworth who worked very hard all game.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Dec 1, 2003 11:25:23 GMT 1
I give up on this one
I am not saying we should have won and I am happy at a point once we went down to ten men
I am not happy with the way we played, and over the last ten games i don't think we are up to scratch, and it wasn't "just because we conceded a late goal"
we've won one of our last nine away games, that speaks for itself
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Dec 1, 2003 11:30:28 GMT 1
"we've won one of our last nine away games, that speaks for itself"
Fair play TBH i stuggle to understand how anyone can defend that record or fail to see the underlieing truth that away from home we are constantlty left wanting in all areas of the pitch.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2003 11:32:34 GMT 1
I'm not doubting that - on the basis of that we need improvement - however given the circumstances on Saturday a point was a decent effort. Had we had 11 men and surrended the lead I would have been very dissapointed.
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Post by Staly on Dec 1, 2003 11:32:41 GMT 1
Not living in Shrewsbury I get to far more away games than home. I've not seen us play well this season. Not optimistic...
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Dec 1, 2003 11:37:51 GMT 1
"we've won one of our last nine away games, that speaks for itself" Fair play TBH i stuggle to understand how anyone can defend that record or fail to see the underlieing truth that away from home we are constantlty left wanting in all areas of the pitch. and I won't even mention that Chester have won 4 of their last nine away games, hereford have won 4, Barnet have won 5 and Exeter 4 of those games Now our home record is very good, and I am really pleased with the way we are playing at home on the whole because we are getting good results playing well
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Dec 1, 2003 11:52:21 GMT 1
ant our kid...
I'm not panicking, didn't release my posts suggested that...but what I'm saying (for about the third time ;D) is that I am very disappointed that we were unable to hold out for the win (even though we were down to ten men) against a team lying at the foot of the table and who were in a terrible run of form...thats all...if we have real promotion aspirations I would expect us to be able to keep Tamworth out for 60 minutes...I would expect a ten man Shrewsbury team who had the lead to hold out...if it had been 1-0 to Tamworth at any stage when we were reduced to 10 men then I would be more than happy with the point...but, like I say, I think we should have been able to hold out even with 10 men and claim the 1-0 win...
Over reaction? I'm not so sure...I think some are disappointed with the performance (obviously those who were there), some (like meself) disappointed with the result but I haven't seen what I would call over reaction...no one is asking for Quinn to be sacked or whatever, although people are disappointed I think most appreciate that we have to stick by him as we are sixth in the league, still well placed and we are capable of producing the goods (i.e. versus Hereford)...some are just expressing their concerns, thats all. Who has over reacted?
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Post by scooter on Dec 1, 2003 14:08:31 GMT 1
When you are stood in front of someone who yells that the Town players are morons because they don't shoot from 25 yards out with defenders in front of them, it gets on your nerves.
You do tend to think that people are over reacting.
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Post by Dale on Dec 1, 2003 16:02:02 GMT 1
When you are stood in front of someone who yells that the Town players are morons because they don't shoot from 25 yards out with defenders in front of them, it gets on your nerves.
And these are the same people who shout 'you greedy barsteward, why didnt you pass it?' when they do shoot from 25 yards out and sails over the crossbar!
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Post by Joe Totale on Dec 1, 2003 17:16:08 GMT 1
There was a big fat foul-mouthed standing near me who did nothing but bad-mouth Duane Darby throughout the game.
Granted he wasn't at his best but give the guy a break - he's only just joined us, scored against Hereford and looks capable of getting a few more.
Having said that Saturday was deeply depressing - I don't think I'll be making many more trips to Tamworth's Bicycle Shed - as it should now be re-named. Nice grub though.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Dec 1, 2003 17:27:42 GMT 1
I think it was more like a bus stop personally - I kept looking for the next bus outta there!!!
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Post by Salop on Dec 1, 2003 20:47:47 GMT 1
"...oh dear...that is with doubt one of the worst posts I've ever seen" Thanks Stuttgarter, glad you have doubts my post was one of the worst. "what on earth has the opinion of the supporters with regards to the opposition got to do with how the players approach a game??! Nowt, that's what..." Wrong, The crowds opinion of the game can easily be transmitted to the players. If the whole crowd think you should be beating a team 10 nil they are going to boo if your only 1 nil up after 80 minutes (that’s not regarding any town matches though, just theory). Just look at Arsenal against Fulham, 0-0 and booed off! Is that a good thing? Course not, we're supporting them so let’s try and be a little optimistic even if we are going through a rough patch away from home. There is an added pressure on the players that we should be steamrollering part timers that comes from the supporters. Everyone disregards conditions and how hard the opposition are prepared to work to stop us from playing. I’m not denying that it was a poor performance and, knowing what we are capable of, it can be frustrating but don’t you think Jimmy feels this too. I have faith from listening to what Jimmy has to say that he is doing his best to put things right. It may be a little bit of blind faith at the moment but that what supporting is all about!
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Post by ProfessorPatPending on Dec 1, 2003 20:52:21 GMT 1
"It may be a little bit of blind faith at the moment but that what supporting is all about!"
Blind faith was in plentiful supply last season, nowt wrong with taking a realistic viewpoint on things, too many let their heart rule their head last season, one good thing this season is that has now stopped
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Post by Salop on Dec 1, 2003 20:59:27 GMT 1
"Blind faith was in plentiful supply last season, nowt wrong with taking a realistic viewpoint on things, too many let their heart rule their head last season, one good thing this season is that has now stopped"
Its not stopped in this house!
Can i just mention AGAIN that Jimmy Quinn IS NOT Kevin Ratcliffe, give the guy a bit of a break for gods sake, hes only been in charge for 20 league matches!
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Post by ProfessorPatPending on Dec 1, 2003 21:02:25 GMT 1
Blind faith is not what supporting is all about
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Post by Salop on Dec 1, 2003 21:14:24 GMT 1
If blind faith wasnt a part of supporting, we wouldnt all be going back for more week after week. I agree with you that it isnt ALL about supporting but hope and faith is an important factor which differs between supporters, some have lots, others have little. Thats what its all about and what spurs this debate about our current plight on.
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Post by rjs on Dec 1, 2003 22:05:28 GMT 1
Sorry but despite being down to 10 men we have superior players in almost every other position to Tamworth. If we are a side that should be challenging for the championship then we should be going out onto the pitch and concentrating on our game. We should not be trying to adapt our game plan because leigh have this formation or Tamworth have that.
We were shocking against Exeter for 65/70 minutes. We then brought Luke on and starting taking the game to them at a higher tempo. yes they still created chances, but we were taking the game by the scruff of the neck, thus forcing them on the back foot. This was in stark contrast to Tamworth, and the 65/70 minutes of the Exeter game where we seemed to be trying to contain them before attacking on the counter or with one long ball. this is not our style. Yes we have good defensive players but they seem to struggle as a unit, thus making the back 4/5 look fragile. Therefore we should be creating as many chances as possible, sort of attempting to outscore them. attack is the best form of defence.
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Post by blueandamber on Dec 1, 2003 23:19:53 GMT 1
I agree.
What we need to do away from home is attack attack and attack.
None of this negative stuff.
We have the players to score goals so why not score like we do at home?
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Dec 2, 2003 9:47:05 GMT 1
'what on earth has the opinion of the supporters with regards to the opposition got to do with how the players approach a game??! Nowt, that's what..."'
Salop, looking back to your first post about the players having the same attitude as the supporters, I stand by what I say...just because I and the majority of Town supporters believe we should be taking the maximum three points from Tamworth it should have no influence whatsoever on the team and management when approaching a game...if complacency comes into it then has nothing to do with the thoughts of Town supporters but is the fault of the players and staff. They are professional players and I would really have to question their professionalism if they let supporters thinking it's a 'defo three points in the bag type of game' having any influence on the way they play. I have no doubt about that!! ;D
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