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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2003 12:55:55 GMT 1
What's the guy been playing at, I couldn't believe it when I read about his affair(s) in a daily newspaper. Hopefully this hasn't effected the way he's done his job which I feel he's done well - in an age when politicians follow the party line to further their careers rather than follow their own beliefs, Marsden has stood up and not backed down on his beliefs on certain issues. However the sleeze stories will undoubtadly cost him some votes at the next election. www.shropshirestar.com/news/publish/article_8964.shtml
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Dec 2, 2003 13:20:49 GMT 1
the guy is a two a penny career politician with no loyalty to anything
we was offered a better job with the lib dems so he jumped ship
If he did really care about the war in afghanistan how does leaving the party in power possibly help him change the situation? It is like Peter Nutting saying he is against the new Tesco and then resigning, when actualyl he should stay and fight where there is the power to change things
This town waited nearly 100 years to have a non-tory MP and then we find out he has all the backbone of a jellyfish
He was voted in on a party manifesto by a majority of people in Shrewsbury, then promptly switched sides, but refused to have a by-election
If people did vote for the man and not the party then he should have had a by-election and we would see, but he has hidden behind his position, made a mockery of our election process and abused the democratic rights of the 20,000+ people who voted for Labour in Shrewsbury at the last election
Then we find he has been playing away and getting up to all sorts of mischief allegedly. No wonder he didn't want to risk a by-election, too good a meal ticket to give up!
I would rather not vote than vote for him.
I met the conservative guy the other week, i've never voted tory in my life, still porbably won't, but I would rather have him in power because i may disagree with elements of his ideology but at least he seems liek a decent bloke
Shrewsbury is a small town, quite traditionl in it's views, and Marsden has burnt his bridges in my book, we do expect honesty and decency, and he appears to have been devoid of both those things
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Post by matt on Dec 2, 2003 13:21:14 GMT 1
personally i think its none of our buisness. as long as he is doing his job properly which i believe he is, then what has it got to do with us?
i think that the sexual conduct/personal lives of politicians are irrelevant unless their actions are in some way hypocritical and contradict past public statements/actions. they are human beings like us, and thus are prone to make the odd mistake/lapse in judgement. the time to start worrying is when their actions impede their ability to perform their public role effectivly.
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Post by matt on Dec 2, 2003 13:23:25 GMT 1
how can you say he has no backbone? the guy stood up for what he thought was right and i for one applaude him for actually having the guts to do so.
and show me a precedent for having a by-election in a similar situation and i will agree he should have done so.
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Post by matt on Dec 2, 2003 13:25:07 GMT 1
and dont get me started on Kawalski (or whatever his name is) now there IS a career politician (admitedly with a difference - being as hes never managed to get elected in 3 attempts at trying)
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Dec 2, 2003 13:37:14 GMT 1
the tory guy is most definitely a career politician, agreed there!
when will someone from shrewsbury actually stand for office?
I personally think Clinton is a good example, dodgy private life but a very effective politician
my issue with Marsden is based on his switching sides, it is a complete fallacy to say he did it to stand up for principles, it was a personal decision to further his career in my humble opinion. Clare short resigned from the cabinet, sure, but to switch parties achieved nothing except rip off the twenty thousand people who voted for hima nd get hima better job
I do think in a small town like shrewsbury news of him playing away will be the electoral equivalent of being shot in the foot
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Post by Llanelian on Dec 2, 2003 14:11:56 GMT 1
I don't think a discussion about Paul Marsden is relevent to this notice board. I don't know who throbsblackhat is, but plainly the views he has expressed about Marsden illustrate what I am saying; everyone is entitled to a view, but throbsblackhat is so far off the mark, I'm wondering whether his comments are a wind up rather in ignorance. Marsden has been, and continues to be the best MP this town has ever had, and the guy being touted by the Tories is nothing more than a career Tory plonker. Conway has skeletons in his cupboard, not gossip, fact, and I've no doubt they will come out. I don't like to read all this stuff about Marsden, it is his family that is suffering, but as far as I know, non of this effects his ability to work his socks off for Shrewsbury...if it did then I would be the first to call for him to go. But please, throbs and others, leave it alone....talk STFC stuff....it's more important!
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Post by matt on Dec 2, 2003 14:20:28 GMT 1
maybe, but i think its good that there are always other debates going on on b&a
throb - i think we will have to agree to disagree on the marsden issue - but as for kawalsky i had a run in with him last year in which i lost all respect for the guy almost instantly and in which he failed comprehensivly to answer any of the points i raised with him. also one of my mates has to deal with the guy weekly on a professional level and, well, i don't think i can get away with writing what he thinks of him on here. if he gets in we WILL be wanting conway back!! (god forbid. and yes i believe he does maybe have one or two skelingtons hiding in cupboards...!)
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Post by Bilbo on Dec 2, 2003 14:27:36 GMT 1
I entirely agree with TBH's statements. I voted Paul Marsden because he was our local LABOUR candidate. When he left the party, he should have held a by-election. I now have an MP in charge of Shrewsbury who does not stand for my political beliefs.
The extras marital affairs are his business not ours admittedley.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Dec 2, 2003 14:35:47 GMT 1
well spotted Llanelian, I was trying to be devil's advocate and show what other people thought
But I do maintain he should have held a by-election, because he was not voted in on the manifesto he now supports
I disagree that this forum is only for things footie related, as we've covered almost everything in the last six months!
Paul Marsden has certainly been the most active shrewsbury MP in living memory, and things like the nesscliffe bypass etc were really helped by his pressure, and he is for the new meadow, and is always doing different things in shrewsbury, something we never saw from conway.
To be honest I don't care what party he is because he has been a very capable local MP
I think it is terrible the way this stuff is in the press but that is the price of public life these days, and he knew that before he started. I do feel very very sorry for his wife. It doesn't make the slightest difference to what he does in office either, many peopl fail in all sorts of ways, it is just some get found out more publicly than others. Look at his record, always campaigning to benefit shrewsbury
now I have done a U-Turn only Paul Marsden can better I think i'll chill out and let others take over!
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Post by charlese on Dec 2, 2003 17:04:42 GMT 1
Cant comment on Marsden as an individual dont doubt he is a reasonable guy and done a lot of good but just a couple of points Firstly if a guy cheats in his private life is it unreasonable to assume he might be more prepared to lie in his public life ?Integrity is not unimportant to all voters Secondly There is some distaste for professional politicians expressed on this board arent all MP'S by definition professional? The Tory is not a professional politician(though he may be after the next election!) he may be power hungry ambitious etc Dont know him either but at the moment I assume he has another job Thirdly Marsden made a mockery of the election system and the electors by being elected for New Labour and then defecting much as at LeominsterTemple Smith was elected as a Tory and defected to new labour there is no excuse for this it would have been honourable to resign and fight a bye election There ARE precedents ( not many I admit Matt) but Dick Taverne on leaving Labour fought and won a by election in Leicester for example Its the third point which I think is most important Just my tuppance worth!
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Post by Pilch on Dec 2, 2003 17:10:46 GMT 1
the bloke is prone to change his taste reminds me of my favourite ever messageboard reply he came on the official board and wished town luck against luton last game season before last i replied asking if he would be supporting luton in the second half
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Post by Eddiethecat on Dec 2, 2003 17:27:07 GMT 1
Sorry dont often post but this is a subject that im quite interested in. There is a difference between career politicians and those that are'nt - it may seem small from the outside but it is there. Some spend much time in the private sector before becoming MPs whilst others come from the party background - press officers researchers etc and the like. Who is better or worse depends on pref I spose Looks like Marsden is up for reselection process following this aswell.
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Post by matt on Dec 2, 2003 18:01:02 GMT 1
charlese - kawalski is absolutely loaded. he doesn't need to 'work'. i suppose you could say that the only job he has is talking to old ladies with blue hair and living in a big house near dorrington. if you can call that a job.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Dec 2, 2003 18:09:15 GMT 1
charlese - kawalski is absolutely loaded. he doesn't need to 'work'. i suppose you could say that the only job he has is talking to old ladies with blue hair and living in a big house near dorrington. if you can call that a job. the issue will always be when people only move to an area to try and be the MP there, hence Conway went down south to a safe Tory seat all MPs are professional people working for their constituents, but I do find it rather strange that someone from Hereford, or mid wales, or wherever moves to this area to try and be our MP. It just appears that they are trying to get into office somehow and it doesn't matter where That is not to say that doesn't make them very good politicians though, far from it
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Post by charlese on Dec 2, 2003 18:40:44 GMT 1
Agreed TBH It would be much better if all candidates were local but precious few are including Blair Mandelson Howard Duncan Smith etc thats the way it is these days That he is local is to Marsdens advantage but its not enough I still think you need to look both at the policies and the person ie I would never vote for a BNP candidate just cos they were local Matt you seem to know a lot about Kawalski so how did he make his money?
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Dec 2, 2003 18:46:30 GMT 1
That he is local is to Marsdens advantage you need to check that, i'm pretty sure Marsden was shipped in just before the 1997 election, used to sell communications stuff before that (was it mobile phones?), not sure where though
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Dec 2, 2003 18:52:47 GMT 1
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Post by matt on Dec 2, 2003 19:06:46 GMT 1
Matt you seem to know a lot about Kawalski so how did he make his money? (i've been spelling his name completely wrong!! its Daniel Kawczynski) yeah well i did some homework on him last year ... im not entirely sure where his money came from but i can easily find out if you want to know?
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Post by dachshund on Dec 2, 2003 19:26:32 GMT 1
As for Marsden working his socks off, hasn't he got one of the worst attendance records of any MP? I'm sure that was mentioned in the paper long before this all came out, though I haven't checked it.
Kawczynski is just making a fool of himself in the newspapers, week in, week out, and I can't comprehend why anyone would vote for him, other than someone who votes blindly for that party. Unless they wanted a weekly letter on how Lord Palmerston was, 160 years ago today, forging a successful career for himself through hard work and honest endeavour. Anyone heard who the Labour candidate will be? Anyone with any charisma could walk this seat, the other two (assuming selection for Marsden) are doing a fine job of discrediting themselves with no outside help so far.
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Post by Salop_Ian on Dec 2, 2003 19:27:13 GMT 1
Don't really care whether Mr Marsden cheats on his wife or not.
What I do object to is that he has cheated on all the people who voted for, and worked for, a Shrewsbury MP who supported the Labour government and the Labour Party.
What we've ended up with is someone who now spends most of his time sniping at the Labour Party - not what the people that voted for him wanted!
Mr Marsden continues with this ficton that people voted for him as an individual because he was a hard working MP. Not true - most people didn't vote for Mr Marsden they voted for the local representative of Blair, Brown and Co.
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Post by JLShrews on Dec 2, 2003 19:46:08 GMT 1
he is a cheat full stop.[glow=red,2,300]in his personal life as well as an Mp, he was voted in as an Labour Mp not Liberal. He can lie to his wife, he can lie to anyone...[/glow]
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Post by Steve W on Dec 2, 2003 19:47:34 GMT 1
Spot on Ian. All the research suggests that in the British system personal vote is worth max 2000 votes. People with the odd exception tend to vote for parties in our political system
What I'd be worried about if I were Labour or Lib Dem voter in Shrewsbury is the split vote allowing the Tories back in. I'd be surprised if Marsden gets re-elected now. Personally I don't care what he does in his private life unless of course he'd be making a fuss about family values etc. However, unfortunately, although it might be unfair, he's now regarded as a bit of joke and not taken seriously in parliament or the press which is not good news for the electors of Shrewsbury.
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Post by matt on Dec 2, 2003 20:20:39 GMT 1
spot on steve. i think after all this it would be for the best if marsden doesn't stand at the next election otherwise the tories in all likeliness will win...
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Post by theoldcodger on Dec 3, 2003 1:06:11 GMT 1
Good read this topic but back to STFC interests.
Marsden has been quoted as supporting the New Meadow. Despite his over-exposure in the local press, I can't recall the Tory prospective candidate, Kawzcynski, expressing any opinion on the move. As for the prospective Labour candidate, well there isn't one yet!!!
Given that this is an important local issue affecting the town as well as the club, I'd have thought that there should have a lot more interest shown from those who will be chasing our votes in maybe a couple of years or less time.
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