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Post by Loud and Proud on Jul 6, 2005 11:35:52 GMT 1
What do individuals feel - do you have the right to your own opinion on message boards (within reason) or do you feel you must modify them in order to not fall out with the majority?
Please discuss!!!
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Post by Dan F on Jul 6, 2005 11:38:03 GMT 1
In my opinion... everybody has the right to say whatever they want, so long as it's not something that can be considered illegal. The moment you modify your opinion to 'fit in' you may as well not bother having a message board, just an instruction board. Personally I preferred the term 'discussion board' but that fell by the wayside years ago... You should however also realise that others don't necessarily share your opinion and if they disagree (constructively) be sure enough of your opinion to have a reasoned debate.
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Post by mattsnapper2 on Jul 6, 2005 12:06:28 GMT 1
but dan.. surely the more illegal it is, the more of a right you have to talk about it... ie driving at 95 on the M6 or smoking weed
thing to remember -
everyone has an opinion when we are born we start off with a blank piece of paper and off we go our criteria - ie what we have soaked up - makes us have an opinion
I know nothing about cars so my opinion is not valid
I feel some on here arent open enough and broad enough to speak out sometimes - hence the clique
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jul 6, 2005 12:09:10 GMT 1
I feel some on here arent open enough and broad enough to speak out sometimes - hence the clique Meaning?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2005 12:10:00 GMT 1
but dan.. surely the more illegal it is, the more of a right you have to talk about it... ie driving at 95 on the M6 or smoking weed thing to remember - everyone has an opinion when we are born we start off with a blank piece of paper and off we go our criteria - ie what we have soaked up - makes us have an opinion I know nothing about cars so my opinion is not valid I feel some on here arent open enough and broad enough to speak out sometimes - hence the clique Think he meant that if they were saying something illegal. I'd love to see a more open board than this.
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Post by Dan F on Jul 6, 2005 12:11:32 GMT 1
but dan.. surely the more illegal it is, the more of a right you have to talk about it... ie driving at 95 on the M6 or smoking weed Matt, obviously didn't clarify what I meant. Talking about those is fine and legal, I mean stuff that could be considered slanderous etc. - opinions that you or even worse the site could be taken to court over.
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Post by mattsnapper2 on Jul 6, 2005 12:14:46 GMT 1
thanx for being open about not clarifying what you meant and owning up to your mistakes :-)
Ill be open and honest in that I didnt read it properly
..cant u just feel the love..!
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Post by Dan F on Jul 6, 2005 12:17:19 GMT 1
Careful Matt, us two not arguing? Dogs and cats will be living together...
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Post by pawlo on Jul 6, 2005 12:17:37 GMT 1
Yes everyone has the right to thier own opinion, and i dont think i have evr felt the need to modify a post to avoid falling out with the majority. Regularly have disagreements about politics on here, but as an adult, i think if i can give someone flack for supporting the tories, for example, then i should be man enough to take the flack back when the government cock up (which they never do of coarse ) There is a difference of coarse between disagreeing with people and offending people, and unintentionaly offending people and intentionaly offending people. We do of coarse have our regular scabs who post overtly racist garbage, who come to this board with no other agenda than to anger and offend people and Make no other contribution to the board on a subject of little relevance to the people of shrewsbury. My question to them is Why?
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Post by mattsnapper2 on Jul 6, 2005 12:22:47 GMT 1
some people write with anger as they have anger inside some write garbage as they need more education and understanding, but then are too afraid to back off when they learn something some people like me just say what they want and just stick to it
why did loud and proud write this anyway..?
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Post by Dan F on Jul 6, 2005 12:23:59 GMT 1
Probably linked to the Wem Ales post lower down the board Matt, at least that's what I assumed...
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Post by john on Jul 6, 2005 12:25:04 GMT 1
I have found myself editing/deleting lots I have said so not to get the backs up of various people, so sometimes on subjects I really want to comment on I'll just shut up. It does p**s me off this site now and again, but hey its just a message board and it can be switched off.
I know my wife has many times gone to post, then pressed the back buton and said "ah sod it, whats the point"
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Post by AFCBally on Jul 6, 2005 12:27:34 GMT 1
Anyone who posts on a message board should expect some people to agree or disagree with them which is fine imo. Its when its gets abusive or personal just because you have a different opinion is out of order. I think it depends on who you are whether you can get away with saying certain things on here without getting abuse back.
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Post by meoleshrew2 on Jul 6, 2005 12:34:12 GMT 1
I think it depends on who you are whether you can get away with saying certain things on here without getting abuse back. Bally you are spot on, i'm sorry to say
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2005 12:35:48 GMT 1
I have found myself editing/deleting lots I have said so not to get the backs up of various people, so sometimes on subjects I really want to comment on I'll just shut up. It does p**s me off this site now and again, but hey its just a message board and it can be switched off. I know my wife has many times gone to post, then pressed the back buton and said "ah sod it, whats the point" To be fair JP, you've posted over 4,000 times since your name change a few months back. That's hardly the sign of someone who is being gagged.
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Post by jamo on Jul 6, 2005 12:37:51 GMT 1
some write garbage as they need more education and understanding, but then are too afraid to back off when they learn something some people like me just say what they want and just stick to it Surely both those statements apply to you matt. I've upset plenty on here which i personnally don't have a problem with. As i see it this is an open forum, i should feel free to say to someone on here excatly the same as i would say to them if we were in a pub having a discussion. There are however unwritten rules that cover both scenarios. So, as long as you don't cross those lines everything goes as far as i'm concerned. As long as there are moderators that are trustworthy then there should be no problems. The other alternative is to not take part at all. No one person would be missed.
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Post by ianwhit on Jul 6, 2005 12:43:59 GMT 1
personally i think people should be able to say what that want as long as it's within normal acceptable social boundaries.
if people want to post racist thoughts and they 100% believe them then that's down to them and people should respect their views, they don't have to agree with them and are totally within their rights to batter that person.
but to do this it would need for everyone to be registered and have a valid email adress..too many times any argument is started by a faceless guest or a normal user being a coward and hiding behind a guest post..
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Post by john on Jul 6, 2005 12:44:59 GMT 1
I have found myself editing/deleting lots I have said so not to get the backs up of various people, so sometimes on subjects I really want to comment on I'll just shut up. It does p**s me off this site now and again, but hey its just a message board and it can be switched off. I know my wife has many times gone to post, then pressed the back buton and said "ah sod it, whats the point" To be fair JP, you've posted over 4,000 times since your name change a few months back. That's hardly the sign of someone who is being gagged. Gagged? no not gagged, just have to keep quiet instead of voicing an opinion. As for my 4000+ posts, I take great pride in saying that most of them are complete bollox ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2005 12:45:11 GMT 1
if people want to post racist thoughts and they 100% believe them then that's down to them and people should respect their views, they don't have to agree with them and are totally within their rights to batter that person. Think that's fine, but the Crown Prosecution Service may beg to differ.
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Post by Dan F on Jul 6, 2005 12:50:29 GMT 1
if people want to post racist thoughts and they 100% believe them then that's down to them and people should respect their views, they don't have to agree with them and are totally within their rights to batter that person. Think that's fine, but the Crown Prosecution Service may beg to differ. LOL, my thoughts exactly Gaz.
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Post by Wem Ales on Jul 6, 2005 13:36:33 GMT 1
What is the legal definition of a 'racist' post?
Is it a good thing that people have to tread *very* carefully when discussing changes being forced upon them in their neighbourhoods, cities and country?
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Post by mattsnapper2 on Jul 6, 2005 13:46:09 GMT 1
i wish some people were more racist as it provokes thought and lessens the numbing we have all become used to - what gets me is the amount of people who put up with religious nonsense - not being allowed to do certain things as it may upset others
i wouldnt expect a christmas tree in the middle of Riyadh - but some christian events etc are now banned as they may offend visitors - well tough luck
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Post by CuyahogaBlue nli on Jul 6, 2005 14:39:58 GMT 1
What is the legal definition of a 'racist' post? Is it a good thing that people have to tread *very* carefully when discussing changes being forced upon them in their neighbourhoods, cities and country? I think the definition on these US based boards is a US legal definition, with further clarification set by ProBoards as a condition of use.
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Post by DaveP200 on Jul 6, 2005 17:23:11 GMT 1
I can only speak for myself, but on occasions it is so funny to read threads on this or other message boards.
When someone states something the majority don't like or agree with then they all seem to gang up.
Now wait for the following threads saying I've got it all wrong.
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Post by CuyahogaBlue on Jul 6, 2005 17:47:26 GMT 1
When someone states something the majority don't like or agree with then they all seem to gang up. No - you've got it right. When the majority opinion is expressed, holders of the minority opinion feel that they are the victims of a "gang up". When I express an unpopular/minority opinion, I don't feel that the posters who express the majority opinion are ganging up - there's just more of them. The less held a minority opinion is, the greater the liklihood that a voiceiferous opposition will be heard.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2005 18:07:32 GMT 1
I like a discussion/argument.
I will try to respect everyone's opinions as long as:
-They have a reason why they express that opinion or can back up opinion with fact -The opinion is not racist or xenophobic -The opinion/argument is put in a respectful and polite manner
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Post by ianwhit on Jul 6, 2005 18:16:41 GMT 1
Think that's fine, but the Crown Prosecution Service may beg to differ. to me being a member of the bnp or nf is being racist, but they should be allowed to have a say as it is a free country.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2005 18:19:13 GMT 1
Think that's fine, but the Crown Prosecution Service may beg to differ. to me being a member of the bnp or nf is being racist, but they should be allowed to have a say as it is a free country. I was more talking about the fact that threads can run close to inciting racial hatred, but more realistically the call to beat a racist up
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