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Post by timgallon on Jul 4, 2005 23:12:59 GMT 1
Well decsion day is near. But do we want it?
Personally i think having the games is over rated and costs a hell of a lot of money for just one area for two weeks. The money could be better spent elsewhere but then again it could revitalise the East End.
Mind you it'll all be academic the Frogs will have it a recon.
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Post by siabod on Jul 4, 2005 23:15:38 GMT 1
If London won that area would benefit, people in all areas would pay for it.
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Post by aleix on Jul 4, 2005 23:27:36 GMT 1
I don't care who gets it except Madrid.....
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Post by Steve Rogerson on Jul 5, 2005 0:25:10 GMT 1
I think Manchester should have been the UK bid. They did really well with the Commonwealth Games. If it had been Manchester, I would have voted yes, but not for London.
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Post by MartinB on Jul 5, 2005 6:45:35 GMT 1
Well decsion day is near. But do we want it? Personally i think having the games is over rated and costs a hell of a lot of money for just one area for two weeks. The money could be better spent elsewhere but then again it could revitalise the East End. Mind you it'll all be academic the Frogs will have it a recon. Tim, clearly you have never been to an Olympic Games. It is an amazing experience. I would like London to get it on the basis of it would be right on my door step although I do have a slight concern about the cost. The area the games would be sited does need a hell of a lot of work whether we get the games or not. Do mind who gets it really providing it's not New York or Moscow. If it's any of the other three I certainly intent to go.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2005 8:43:47 GMT 1
If London won that area would benefit, people in all areas would pay for it. Why so? London already generates much more money for the rest of the country (as a side note the inner square mile generates more money in London than any other European city in total.). People have the mis-conception that everyone else is forgotten when London comes to the fore but it's not like that at all.
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Post by gregtheshrew on Jul 5, 2005 8:55:53 GMT 1
If London gets it,Londoners should pay for it.Why should i pay for a Swimming Centre and Velodrome in a part of the country i rarely visit?
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Post by Wem Ales on Jul 5, 2005 12:57:38 GMT 1
If London gets it,Londoners should pay for it.Why should i pay for a Swimming Centre and Velodrome in a part of the country i rarely visit? What is more, if trends continue the English will be a minority in London by 2012, so its not even being spent on us in another part of the country.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2005 13:18:53 GMT 1
If London gets it,Londoners should pay for it.Why should i pay for a Swimming Centre and Velodrome in a part of the country i rarely visit? London pays for a lot of the rest of the country as ant said. I'm 100% behind London for the Olympic bid, it would be a tremendous occasion if the games were held in this country.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2005 13:28:02 GMT 1
If London gets it,Londoners should pay for it.Why should i pay for a Swimming Centre and Velodrome in a part of the country i rarely visit? Return to my previous post. It's Londoners paying for a lot of your services over the top - but I don't hear you complain when you go to the NHS etc
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Post by gregtheshrew on Jul 5, 2005 13:32:20 GMT 1
If London gets it,Londoners should pay for it.Why should i pay for a Swimming Centre and Velodrome in a part of the country i rarely visit? Return to my previous post. It's Londoners paying for a lot of your services over the top - but I don't hear you complain when you go to the NHS etc So it's Londoners fault i had to wait 2 years for an op on my knee
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2005 13:57:28 GMT 1
Return to my previous post. It's Londoners paying for a lot of your services over the top - but I don't hear you complain when you go to the NHS etc So it's Londoners fault i had to wait 2 years for an op on my knee Yes it's Londoners fault you didn't have to wait 5 years
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Post by timgallon on Jul 5, 2005 17:33:53 GMT 1
Return to my previous post. It's Londoners paying for a lot of your services over the top - but I don't hear you complain when you go to the NHS etc Really? There was some programme which i heard the start of on Radio Salop saying that Borough and District Councils in the Shires were subsidsing London Borough Council's and were fed up of doing so!! If Londons so rich why cant it pay for its own Council's??
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2005 17:44:27 GMT 1
I'd rather London have it than any of the others but I think Paris have it in the bag myself.
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Post by skunkie on Jul 5, 2005 17:49:07 GMT 1
I would love to se it come to this country,but how many times do we miss out on the big prize when we compete against France Germany and Spain for the chance to host a world class event in either Football or Athletics,Paris with all its silly Romantic pictures for the tourist will get the floating vote.i would of hoped Birmingham or Manchester or Edinburgh or Cardiff may have one day a big a shout as London to hold this fantastic event.but the inferstructure in public transport for this massive event needs upgrading in this country,as an example the terrible way the transport links happened to the Dome. Come on London. notworthy notworthy
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2005 17:59:55 GMT 1
How much of the wealth generated in London is by people who live there?
Giving how the Welsh do from the Barnett formula, I'm on rocky ground in this one mind, so I'll step out.....
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Post by siabod on Jul 5, 2005 18:31:57 GMT 1
If London gets it,Londoners should pay for it.Why should i pay for a Swimming Centre and Velodrome in a part of the country i rarely visit? Return to my previous post. It's Londoners paying for a lot of your services over the top - but I don't hear you complain when you go to the NHS etc Dont quite understand "Its Londoners paying for a lot of your services over the top", Londoners pay the same rates of taxation as the rest of us and in the main get a lot more in return, transport and other facilities, pensioners get free bus, underground and rail travel within the capital You say that a square mile in London generates more money than other European cities, yes of course but dont believe that is spent on the rest of Britain, the bulk of "city" money stays within the vast corporations that operate world wide. Shell for instance are reported interested in buying Abramovitch's oil interests, the money may well be "generated " within that square mile but will do little for the man in the street.
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Post by skunkie on Jul 5, 2005 19:58:28 GMT 1
Return to my previous post. It's Londoners paying for a lot of your services over the top - but I don't hear you complain when you go to the NHS etc Dont quite understand "Its Londoners paying for a lot of your services over the top", Londoners pay the same rates of taxation as the rest of us and in the main get a lot more in return, transport and other facilities, pensioners get free bus, underground and rail travel within the capital You say that a square mile in London generates more money than other European cities, yes of course but dont believe that is spent on the rest of Britain, the bulk of "city" money stays within the vast corporations that operate world wide. Shell for instance are reported interested in buying Abramovitch's oil interests, the money may well be "generated " within that square mile but will do little for the man in the street. .well put into words.
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Post by timgallon on Jul 5, 2005 20:24:02 GMT 1
Return to my previous post. It's Londoners paying for a lot of your services over the top - but I don't hear you complain when you go to the NHS etc Dont quite understand "Its Londoners paying for a lot of your services over the top", Londoners pay the same rates of taxation as the rest of us and in the main get a lot more in return, transport and other facilities, pensioners get free bus, underground and rail travel within the capital You say that a square mile in London generates more money than other European cities, yes of course but dont believe that is spent on the rest of Britain, the bulk of "city" money stays within the vast corporations that operate world wide. Shell for instance are reported interested in buying Abramovitch's oil interests, the money may well be "generated " within that square mile but will do little for the man in the street. And i dare say alot of the money is residing in off shore tax havens in places like Jersey and Bermuda.
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Post by MarkRowley on Jul 5, 2005 21:19:30 GMT 1
I have mixed opinions on this one.
On the one hand, having the Olympics would be prestigious for the country and would give us the opportunity to show how we could run a world class event. On the other, I can't help thinking it will turn into a massive white elephant (given recent track record on the Dome & Wembley).
A few other points:
- Fully agree with Siabod about the Square Mile. The City Boys just think they are playing a game, with billions of pounds flying around the world and most ending up with multinationals not directly benefitting the UK economy.
- Sadly, for something as massive as the Olympics, I hate to say it but London is probably the only viable option in the UK, although it would place a huge & possibly fatal strain on an already old, decrepit & overcrowded transport system.
- Whilst a relatively small part of a neglected area may be improved (which of course is good), the only real beneficiaries from the Olympics will be whichever banks, construction firms, architects, and other large firms get involved : as usual when the Govt is involved in any project, this will be a recipe for top whack fees, delays, increased costs & you & I will end up paying for it all.
- On a positive note, we will need some new facilities, which communities & athletes/sports stars of the future can use for a long time.
Think Paris are the favourites though (unless that arse Chirac drops a bollock again), with then close between us & Madrid - from a travelling perspective much easier to get round those 2 than London.
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Post by MarkRowley on Jul 5, 2005 21:46:21 GMT 1
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Post by mike-in-cairo on Jul 5, 2005 23:55:44 GMT 1
Saw a poll tonight on Welsh TV and in answer to the question " do you think London deserves the Olympics?", it came out almost 50/50! Barstewards! London is a great place and it`s about time it was in Britain. It would start the redevelopment of a deprived part of the city.
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Post by rob on Jul 6, 2005 0:35:40 GMT 1
A prestigious sporting event in England, well yes please count me in.
Steve, Manchester applied to host both the 1996 and 2000 olympics, brum for the 1992 olympics, both cities did abysmally. A country of Britains size has to nominate its capital if it is to seriously attempt to challenge for the olympics, the infrastructure is partly in place and it is the only city capable of coping with the demands of such an event.
The legacy would be far greater amount of affordable housing, lots of regeneration, some world class sporting facillities open to the public and aspiring athletes and a home for athletics.
Also with Wimbledon, Wembley and the Thames in place we already have some world class and revered facilities in place.
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Post by lazyshrew on Jul 6, 2005 7:34:25 GMT 1
Ive been down to where the new Wembly stdadium is being built and the area has been completely cahnged and restored. No doubt that it would have a massive impact on London, not sure what we can gain from them. But i would like the games to be in London and would go down and watch if they were.
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Post by siabod on Jul 6, 2005 9:19:32 GMT 1
I realise there are many serious and complex issues for and against the games coming to London but shuddered when watching the business report this morning and heard that Greece would be paying for the cost of the Athens games for the next 20 years.
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Post by Olympic Gallon on Jul 6, 2005 9:57:46 GMT 1
I realise there are many serious and complex issues for and against the games coming to London but shuddered when watching the business report this morning and heard that Greece would be paying for the cost of the Athens games for the next 20 years. Twenty years pay back for two weeks of games that people soon forget....ummm was it worth it?? As with most things like this in Britain whatever the organisers have costed to host the games here it will go seriously over budget. Just not worth it, let the frogs take this risk, hop on Euro star and watch it there.
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Post by MartinB on Jul 6, 2005 21:02:39 GMT 1
I realise there are many serious and complex issues for and against the games coming to London but shuddered when watching the business report this morning and heard that Greece would be paying for the cost of the Athens games for the next 20 years. Speaking to our Greek friends who live in Athens although they are paying for the games they believe it has been worth every penny because of the amazing changes to the City.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Jul 6, 2005 22:48:19 GMT 1
Why can't we be happy that Britain has landed the biggest sporting event in the world? It's great news
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