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Post by somersetshrew on Jul 2, 2005 18:50:49 GMT 1
what a finish
A tie. Good result after such a poor start
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2005 18:53:03 GMT 1
I had my money on the Auzzies before the game, bottled it after 5 wickets went down and put a bit on England to soften my expected loses (so I would lose whatever the result).....until I found out all bets are void because it finished a draw! Hooray
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Post by shrewblue on Jul 2, 2005 18:54:08 GMT 1
Brilliant comeback!!! Made the best of a bad day after the Lions were stuffed!
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Post by john on Jul 2, 2005 18:57:23 GMT 1
How brilliantly the aussies Lee and McGrath bowled but how poorly we started. Our first five need to practise hard and quick...there is much much poor of mcGrath especially to come. Geraint Jones my M.O.M
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Post by gregtheshrew on Jul 2, 2005 19:35:01 GMT 1
This will feel like a defeat to the convicts,they would never have let a team off the hook like that in previous years.Well done to my namesake MR G.Jones notworthy
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2005 19:37:22 GMT 1
In previous years an England team struggling at 30 odd for 5 would have batted for no more than half hour before being all out. It's very encouraging, though I think the Ashes will be determied more by the bowlers than the batters.
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Post by Wem Ales on Jul 2, 2005 22:49:19 GMT 1
How brilliantly the aussies Lee and McGrath bowled but how poorly we started. Our first five need to practise hard and quick...there is much much poor of mcGrath especially to come. Geraint Jones my M.O.M Its kidology with Lee, a wild fast bowler who is nothing more than a white Devon Malcolm. Strauss, Tresco and Vaughan will tonk him in the tests, and we have oldman Thorpe and boywonder Bell to come! Pretend Abo Gillespie will break down by the second test. McGrath is very very good but how long has he got to go? Ditto Warne. Harmison and Flintoff are bowling very well, and Giles and S Jones are good back up. Provided Hoggard is used sensibly and doesn't get tonked too much things look promising in the bowling department. The Aussie Jones-the-drop must go, to be replaced by James Foster. Team for first test: Strauss Trescothick Vaughan * Thorpe Bell Flintoff Foster + Giles S Jones Harmison Hoggard
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Post by siabod on Jul 2, 2005 23:26:09 GMT 1
Hope Vaughan does "tonk them in the tests" as you state but he certainly does not warrant his place in the one day side, seldom gets runs when he does usually they take too long to accumulate and his fielding is average and thats being kind.
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Post by PorkyShrew on Jul 2, 2005 23:34:53 GMT 1
wem ale you were talking a lot of sense until you sed drop jones.... man i am sooooo drunk after beating church stretton!!! weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee bring on the ashes!!!
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Post by john on Jul 2, 2005 23:47:16 GMT 1
Wem ales one question, why drop Geraint Jones? Not English enough for you?
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Post by peterjones1 on Jul 2, 2005 23:56:19 GMT 1
Would be very harsh to drop Geraint or Collingwood on current form, I would sooner drop Simon Jones myself. And I certainly wouldn't be bringing Thorpe back into the fold with Pietersen, Bell etc currently offering superior higher order batting options. Hoggard is a good shout though.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2005 0:01:40 GMT 1
The way our top order has batted in the past 2 clashes against Australia shows exactly why a steady 'old head' such as Graham Thorpe is needed. Hoggy will be back for the Ashes without a doubt. For some reason he always gets taken for a large amount of runs in limited overs matches but he is a very important 5 day bowler.
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Post by ShrewsAde on Jul 3, 2005 0:26:34 GMT 1
unbelievable finish - fantastic stuff
TheAussies - didn't beat us!
Roll on
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Post by PorkyShrew on Jul 3, 2005 8:41:13 GMT 1
interesting message by me.... hmmm..... still agree wiv me thou... geraint jones is quality, the amount of times him anf flintoff scored runs for fun together he deserves his place... james foster wud be awful against the aussies, a keeper has to bat not just catch and i know jones aint the best keeper... but he aint a bad bat
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Post by Wem Ales on Jul 3, 2005 12:14:13 GMT 1
Wem ales one question, why drop Geraint Jones? Not English enough for you? For some strange reason I believe that the England team should have English players. (The Welsh are of course basically English except for the purposes of Rugby).
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Post by john on Jul 3, 2005 12:17:55 GMT 1
Wem ales one question, why drop Geraint Jones? Not English enough for you? For some strange reason I believe that the England team should have English players. (The Welsh are of course basically English except for the purposes of Rugby). But its the English and Welsh Cricket Board smartarse ;D
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Post by Daviimo on Jul 3, 2005 13:12:19 GMT 1
too true JP, I missed out watching the game on TV because i had to play the game, got a good victory for the shropshire side over the herefordshire side lol
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2005 20:25:14 GMT 1
Wem ales one question, why drop Geraint Jones? Not English enough for you? For some strange reason I believe that the England team should have English players. Unless your first name is Simon? You sir are a Cock Tart.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2005 20:27:04 GMT 1
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Post by Wem Ales on Jul 3, 2005 23:04:44 GMT 1
Kinglsey Amis wrote in his memoirs of the attitude of most Welsh with regards national identity. When asked what he thought the effect of something would have on Wales, the Welshman replies, 'What is good for this country...'. Asked what the effect would be on England, 'Like I said, what is good for this country...'.
England and Wales has been one entity for a very long time in a way that (frinstance) north and south Britain are not.
Most Welsh people I have known have been English when it comes to Cricket, and football unless Wales are playing.
Scots and Irish are, however not us, so Ed Joyce should not play for England. Scotland and Ireland should IMO have national sides playing in an ICC 2nd division, playing four day first class matches against Zimbabwe, Bangladesh, Kenya, Holland etc. but that is another argument.
Therefore Jones S is in, especially as he has shown non of the silly fashionable 'nationalism' of Robert Croft.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2005 23:18:40 GMT 1
"Most Welsh people I have known have been English when it comes to Cricket, and football unless Wales are playing."
You are kidding? Having lived in Wales most of my life the majority of Welsh I know certainly don't support England when it comes to football. It's friendly banter, but they love it when we get beat.
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Post by harmerhillshrew on Jul 3, 2005 23:34:00 GMT 1
I tuned in to Radio 4 while cooking a Bar B Q Saturday night. What a clown that Henry Blofeld is, can he see? 'Oh he has driven that towards us, should be two runs in this' Mike Selvey in the background, 'Hes been run out Henry' That was Goughs run out. CMJ telling everyone how to join the Primary Club Missed a wicket. 'Oh Vaughan has just been bowled' I hope this is not the standard from the BBC we are to have this summer. Its shaping up to be a classic.
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Post by Wem Ales on Jul 3, 2005 23:51:09 GMT 1
Blofeld is an absolute idiot, wittering on about ****ing pigeons and buses but completely unable to describe what is going on or identify players. Jonathan Agnew comes across as a middle-class wimp, rather like Alistair or David from The Archers. And then there's the estaurine squeaking of Gooch and Gatting reminding us of the horror days of English cricket. And Alec Stuart has replaced coke fiend Dermot Reeve on the C4 telly coverage And next year it goes to Sky with fat bully yokel Botham, miserable git Bob Willis, and Paul 'Calf' Allot Not to mention Charles Colville All in contrast to Talksports brilliant coverage from South Africa. Jack Bannister and Chris Cowdrey were extremely competent at *describing what was going on*, which is what we want to know, and whilst one might disagree with 95% of what Mike Atherton says, he does provide intelligent and insightful analysis. Let us hope this commercial channel gets the rights to home tests as well as those overseas.
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Post by harmerhillshrew on Jul 3, 2005 23:59:15 GMT 1
Gatting reminding us of the horror days of English cricket. Agree with all your post Apart from the above quote Not sure if you are old enough to remember Gatt captain of England winning everything in sight on the trip to Oz in th late 80s.
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Post by Link51 on Jul 4, 2005 0:09:42 GMT 1
I remember it - especially as in those days BBC2 showed highlights of that day's play at 6-7ish, so one could actually follow overseas tours on the TV.
England won the test series 2-1 and also the one dayers, and I remember needing 17 of the last over in Sydney and Lamb and DeFreatis got them in five balls! Chris Broad batted very well in the tests. However, Australia were absolutely dire, evidenced by a ton by wicketkeeper Jack Richards (who?) a five-fer for Gladstone small, and a ton and a five-fer for a grossly overweight and totally past it Both, whose shagged back finally gave up shorty afterwards.
After the fourth test England never won another under Gatt.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2005 12:24:37 GMT 1
"Most Welsh people I have known have been English when it comes to Cricket, and football unless Wales are playing." You are kidding? Having lived in Wales most of my life the majority of Welsh I know certainly don't support England when it comes to football. It's friendly banter, but they love it when we get beat. Probably half and half to be perfectly honest. So WemAles is dropping Geraint for being Welsh, keeping in Simon because the Welsh are basically English anyway, and also taking into account people's views on matters of national importance before selecting the side. Those in the squad who support EU expansion must be ting themselves.....
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Post by scooter on Jul 4, 2005 12:58:39 GMT 1
"Most Welsh people I have known have been English when it comes to Cricket, and football unless Wales are playing." You are kidding? Having lived in Wales most of my life the majority of Welsh I know certainly don't support England when it comes to football. It's friendly banter, but they love it when we get beat. Probably half and half to be perfectly honest. So WemAles is dropping Geraint for being Welsh, keeping in Simon because the Welsh are basically English anyway, and also taking into account people's views on matters of national importance before selecting the side. Those in the squad who support EU expansion must be ting themselves..... I think he was dropping Jones for being Aussie. He is a very complicated case - Welsh parents, born Papua New Guinea ? (or somewhere in the Pacific) and brought up in Australia. He certainly sounds like an Aussie. Incidentally England were also captained by a Scot - Mike Denness. The England cricket team has always been a British team.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Jul 4, 2005 18:08:51 GMT 1
Good job Wem Ales was not around when Ranji and Duleep were representing England.
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Post by Wem Ales on Jul 4, 2005 18:26:50 GMT 1
Good job Wem Ales was not around when Ranji and Duleep were representing England. I've only had to suffer non-Englishmen Lamb, Smith, Hick, Caddick, Small, Malcolm, Cowans, DeFreitas, Lewis, Lawrence in the last twenty years to name but a few.
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