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Post by rob on May 17, 2005 11:08:01 GMT 1
Putting aside the topic on the millions of people he killed directly and indirectly. (which i have failed to do below) Was Stalin a good leader of Russia/USSR??? I'd have said no previously, however during my revision I stumbled accross a quote "Stalin came to power Russia was powered by the plough, when he died it had nuclear capabilities and had had the first man in space. It was also a super power in a bipolar world." Does this make him a good leader? I would argue, probably not, as he was still responsible for killing many millions of his own people, and possibly throught the killing of senior army generals, responsible for the complete ramshackles that was the russian army at the begining of the war (saved only by the russian winter) which lead to even more deaths of russian citizens sent out to fight the enemy. And did the collective farms and "five year" plans actually hold the country back throughout the 1930s? What do you lot think? I'd imagine Gallon and Pricey wont care
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on May 17, 2005 11:10:01 GMT 1
Who gives a ****
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Post by rob on May 17, 2005 11:12:43 GMT 1
ah an intelligent post there my racially confused gangsta loving middle class rural living white boy ;D
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on May 17, 2005 11:14:37 GMT 1
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Post by ratcliffesghost on May 17, 2005 11:15:41 GMT 1
Shrewd businessman - patented the rights for the design of his Staleg camps and sold them to Butlins and Pontins
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Post by SeanBroseley on May 17, 2005 11:20:06 GMT 1
I studied the period immediately before the first five year plan as part of my course. At that time there was the New Economic Plan which was seeking market solutions to the agricultural shortages combined with emergency diversion of resources to overcame shortages in industry.
Before you discuss whether Stalin was a good leader you have to decide what a good leader is. And you have to decide that in the context of his time and place.
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Post by rob on May 17, 2005 11:20:28 GMT 1
cant argue with you there ratcliffes ghost and to think people in this country actually pay to go there As for you Glyn "I'm incapable fullstop" Price thats enough of that. Who actually decided I was incapable without Amys assistance???
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Post by rob on May 17, 2005 11:24:22 GMT 1
what makes a good leader?
Thats moving into a whole new ball game.
I guess you'd have to take into account economic growth with social policy (so China wouldnt look as hot as it is sometimes made out to be)
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Post by faginy on May 17, 2005 11:24:38 GMT 1
it was a group observation ;D
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on May 17, 2005 11:25:07 GMT 1
cant argue with you there ratcliffes ghost and to think people in this country actually pay to go there As for you Glyn "I'm incapable fullstop" Price thats enough of that. Who actually decided I was incapable without Amys assistance??? Nobody did really untill a passing coment was made and it clearly annoyed you Thus that makes it funny and it will stick - its the way of the world Rob!!!! Its a joke mate get with it, just like faginy a drunk, im a shower doger miss speller, Ty has s**t hair, Mikes is also a drunk or Ant is "mr competitive"!!!
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Post by rob on May 17, 2005 11:26:33 GMT 1
And who did this group comprise I'm really quite baffled by it, I dont understand what makes me incapable. As far as i was aware I booked our holidays, sorted the world cup tickets, sort out our transport to gigs etc. What does that make Amy
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Post by rob on May 17, 2005 11:27:22 GMT 1
I cant argue with all of those observations because they are true
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Post by SeanBroseley on May 17, 2005 11:29:38 GMT 1
there goes Rob's revision.
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Post by rob on May 17, 2005 11:34:08 GMT 1
lol on the contrayi'm not revising that. I'm supposed to revisin comparative government and politics : what makes a failed state-ie 1990s african states stuff about developmental states and a bit on civic/political culture and federalism (but I didnt bother) Non of its really relevent to Stalin or USSR
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on May 17, 2005 11:34:33 GMT 1
He cant bloody do any the amount of time hes on here Best get a job Rob - no worrys about how much net time you spend!!!
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Post by mike-in-cairo on May 17, 2005 12:09:59 GMT 1
millions were imprisoned or killed as part of the great purge, so i tend to say 'no, not a good leader'. i visited some of those camps and they're not nice. really gave me the creeps.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2005 12:12:52 GMT 1
Russia were a nothing country when Stalin come to power. When he died they were one of the world powers.
But, millions died and anyone who disagreed with Stalin or was seen as a threat to his leadership would soon be murdered.
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Post by Link51 on May 17, 2005 20:30:22 GMT 1
Putting aside the topic on the millions of people he killed directly and indirectly. (which i have failed to do below) Was Stalin a good leader of Russia/USSR??? I'd have said no previously, however during my revision I stumbled accross a quote "Stalin came to power Russia was powered by the plough, when he died it had nuclear capabilities and had had the first man in space. It was also a super power in a bipolar world." Does this make him a good leader? I would argue, probably not, as he was still responsible for killing many millions of his own people, and possibly throught the killing of senior army generals, responsible for the complete ramshackles that was the russian army at the begining of the war (saved only by the russian winter) which lead to even more deaths of russian citizens sent out to fight the enemy. And did the collective farms and "five year" plans actually hold the country back throughout the 1930s? What do you lot think? I'd imagine Gallon and Pricey wont care At the risk of looking foolish by interupting an in-joke amongst the board clique, does no-one think it strange that defending of a regime that murdered millions is acceptable, yet someone who wishes to defend the future of his own people is immediately compared to another somewhat less murderous regime whom you aren't allowed to defend, despite said regime being irrellevent to the point that one is arguing?
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Post by harmerhillshrew on May 17, 2005 20:44:37 GMT 1
At the risk of looking foolish by interupting an in-joke amongst the board clique, Why dont you come down to the B&A Golf Day next month and make yourself known, you would then see that this clique you talk of is all in the mind. Dont play Golf? Then come for a beer and a Quiz after the Golf.
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