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Post by rob on May 12, 2005 18:35:44 GMT 1
I wonder what the FA can and would do??? Its all coming full circle. There is actually a rule in the FA Charter which is supposed to prevent dividends greater than 5%, its just they choose to ignore it
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Post by WotUReckon on May 12, 2005 18:58:10 GMT 1
I watched and listened in disbelief to a documentry on sky some weeks back where members of the Manchester Education Committee were openly praising Magnier and McManus for standing up to the yank and maintaining the status quo on share holdings. The same Magnier and McManus who they protested so violently against 18 months ago, disrupting racing at Cheltenham and Hereford. Surely the MEC carry little credability among true united fans, what sort of a fans group parade in balaclavas
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Post by jamo on May 12, 2005 18:59:39 GMT 1
I watched and listened in disbelief to a documentry on sky some weeks back where members of the Manchester Education Committee were openly praising Magnier and McManus for standing up to the yank and maintaining the status quo on share holdings. The same Magnier and McManus who they protested so violently against 18 months ago, disrupting racing at Cheltenham and Hereford. Surely the MEC carry little credability among true united fans, what sort of a fans group parade in balaclavas Go to bed Reg, adults talking
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Post by Ratcliffesghost on May 12, 2005 19:01:10 GMT 1
Do you support the stand of the MEC then JAMO / Islay
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Post by jamo on May 12, 2005 19:06:20 GMT 1
Do you support the stand of the MEC then JAMO / Islay Personally no, i don't. In my opinion they just cloud the issue and add fuel to the ABU's fire. From what i know of the various United supporters groups they have enough knowledge and business acumen to fight their own corner without the assistance of psuedo terrorists.
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Post by islay malt on May 12, 2005 19:06:32 GMT 1
Do you support the stand of the MEC then JAMO / Islay The stand - Yes. The methods - No. The same way I oppose fox hunting and animal testing, but don't condone the actions of the ALF
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Post by grinfish on May 12, 2005 19:41:53 GMT 1
From what i know of the various United supporters groups they have enough knowledge and business acumen to fight their own corner without the assistance of psuedo terrorists. Why of course, the best financial and legal brains within the M25 loop
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Post by islay malt on May 12, 2005 20:11:34 GMT 1
Why of course, the best financial and legal brains within the M25 loop How dare you May all your bets go down. Even though you don't seem to stray too far away from massive 'odds-on' punts
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Post by wibbin on May 12, 2005 20:21:14 GMT 1
What a load of sh!te. Do you know anything about real football supporters, or do you have to rely on press steriotyping? Thought so! I know plenty about real football supporters thanks. Ive supported the Town for almost 25 yrs! What about press stereotyping?
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Post by islay malt on May 12, 2005 20:34:18 GMT 1
I know plenty about real football supporters thanks. Ive supported the Town for almost 25 yrs! What about press stereotyping? Congratulations. I first went to Old Trafford in 1960, but that's not the issue. The point is that REAL football fans, connect with other football fans, whatever their club, level, or even rivalry. To say, as you did, that Man United fans "couldn't give a frick..." is, as I said, a load of sh!te. The steriotype, loved by people like yourself, of United fans all coming from the Home Counties or the South West, and not giving a tuppeny toss about clubs in trouble, is b0llox. It's pointless arguing against it, because you won't believe it, but the truth is that you've probably never met a real United fan in your life.
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Post by bill on May 12, 2005 20:38:19 GMT 1
well if the fans are so keen to have united back in their hands they just need to wate till they go bust and start a supporters trust in the conference. No but the amount of (followers ) united have im shore this could of all been sorted years ago if they realy wanted but why bother they were winning then. Im not realy that botherd as i dont think it would do any arm to go back to clubs living of the fan base, town did ok then and lets face it united would still be the biggest club as long as every one played on a level playing field.
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Post by mattsnapper2 on May 12, 2005 21:44:18 GMT 1
to all man utd mockers... ok have ur laugh when chelsea win 3-1 on tuesday but this is so different
firstly it was the edwards family who sold the club on the stock exchange - man utd fans didnt have a say
man utd then became financially successful selling the brand of the red devils worldwide. they raised the bar and football merchandising is today because of man utds exploits
even though i have taken the wee wee out of chelsea recently, roman abramovich put chelsea into profit and his energy and emotion fot the club is so real for all to see
man utd will be soon in the red because of a yank just interested in money
so man u were just interested in money.. well yes but a big NO - it was their money, they earnt it and invested in the team and stadium
Man U were part of the premier league. Chelsea brought the skills of Peter Kenyon to stamford bridge, but still the sky money would be shared as a league and although selfish still had the rest of football at heart
Glazier has come in and if he breaks up the TV deal, man utd will NOT profit with it like they would with MUTV to reinvest in their team, but the money will be used to pay back his HUGE debts in aquiring MUFC
Thus, the millions the likes of charlton, villa, birmingham get will instantly dry up. The 300k Shrewsbury Town get will dry up
Man U fans will not see the benefits of the profits as they will be ploughed into the Glazier familys bank accounts
Every football fan in the UK will suffer as clubs will have less to budget for as the sky money wont be there
This is far more serious than poking fun at a successful team who have had a crap season, a club that everyone hates because of envy.
20 years ago the world of football changed in the UK cause of the Bradford Fire. On the same say, football has changed for the worse. To me it feels like a day of sadness like when Diana died or when the space shuttle blew up or 911.
Like I said at the start, to those who laugh at man utd losing 3-1 to chelsea then please continue laughing, i dont mind. But to those who are laughing at whats actually happened, like when Wrecsam got relegated or Telford went bust, it was off the field money activities with people getting into football with no love or passion for the game. If you are still laughing, then think of the likes of Boro, Charlton, Bolton etc as they are equally shafted today, just like Man Utd the club.
The dollar is here. Go away Glazier
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Post by rob on May 12, 2005 21:55:15 GMT 1
erm i wouldnt compare it to incidents when people died.
Whatever happens you can still walk talk and take photos, something that people caught up in the bradford fire, shuttle disaster and 9/11 cant do.
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Post by mattsnapper2 on May 12, 2005 23:54:53 GMT 1
still gives me a gut wrenching feeling though even though no one has died top posts today by the way HMA
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Post by handsoffmeadowenjoyment on May 13, 2005 0:15:18 GMT 1
i am laughing big time. laughing at every fan who buys their shirt every season but never goes to a match. every fan who gives me stick for going to watch my local team. every fan who is in my local watching "their" team on the telly whist Town are playing at home 2 miles down the road. i have no wish to see true match attending fans lose a team to support,but for them to have to form a non-league side and start again would be brilliant. yes i am laughing at another clubs mis-fortune because that is all it is. to try and defend your feelings by likening events to people dying is far worse than laughing will ever be.
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Post by BlueinSY2 on May 13, 2005 0:54:18 GMT 1
But would they get the luxury of starting in The unibond first or would they have to start right at the bottom?
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Post by ssshrewnli on May 13, 2005 11:45:14 GMT 1
Basically who cares? I'm far more excited by and interested in what GP had to say last night. Man U don't care about Shrewsbury so why should I be worried about them?
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Post by CuyBlue NLI on May 13, 2005 14:59:45 GMT 1
Basically who cares? Man U don't care about Shrewsbury so why should I be worried about them? Wasn't just a couple of years ago that they sent a side, including some first teamers, to play a friendly at the Meadow.
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Post by stockportershrew on May 13, 2005 15:36:23 GMT 1
well you should care because what is happening at old trafford will have knock on effects for the whole of football.
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Post by scooter on May 13, 2005 15:59:29 GMT 1
There is a lot of scare stuff at the moment, but Tampa Bay have done ok, after being crap for years.
He might be borrowing a lot of money, but if United go bust he will lose a lot as well (I assume). His plans surely need a successful team, and it must be in his interest to invest in the team and stadium.
He can't cancel TV deals over night, and if the agreement is on dodgy ground legally, then it is only a matter of time before someone challenges it. The old regime at Man U may well have done it anyway.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2005 16:02:02 GMT 1
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Post by rob on May 13, 2005 16:09:49 GMT 1
But how can he squeeze more money out of a club which is already making vast profits and squeezing every ounce of profit they can from different markets.
One way is by as scooter say challenging the tv deal which would have detrimental effects of English football from professional football to amaeter footy and funding of footballing community projects.
But also another idea is the old european super league, a closed league comprising united and 15-18 top european teams with no relegation/promotion. I'd expect to see him persue this, especially as this is the mould that they have in America with their national football league or whatever its called.
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Post by scooter on May 13, 2005 16:16:56 GMT 1
He can't do any of those things on his own. If clubs start breaking the tv deal or setting up break away leagues, then you can bet it was going to happen anyway. I think the prawn sanwiches may be a bit more expensive though ;D I presume he is looking to open up USA markets, which has never worked before, but perhaps they are ready for a soccer expansion now
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Post by rob on May 13, 2005 16:35:13 GMT 1
no but he can force the issue, and as he owns the biggest club in the world I'd have thought he'd have a lot of clout
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