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Post by Exkeeper on May 6, 2005 9:23:07 GMT 1
Welshshrew, talking politics is surely all opinions, and if your opinion differs from mine, then I must be talking bollox. OK. so lets be realistic. You got the MP you wanted for Shrewsbury, I got the Government I wanted for the country. Lets both be happy, and concentrate on supporting the one blue team which unites us.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on May 6, 2005 9:23:13 GMT 1
So am i right in thinking that nationally after all the moaning - point scoreing and stuff on here the following happened NOTHING CHANGED Yeah they lost a few seats but really it going to be the sma egoverment for the next 2 years at least and frankley that was good enough for me Not happy that Con's got Shrewsbury back but its only a small margin and one im sure this carrer polition we have got for the next 4 years can whittle away by not listing to the voters and spending most of his time away in London!!!
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Post by petetheloon on May 6, 2005 9:23:43 GMT 1
I voted Lib Dem and am proud of it. and so are the 10% that deserted labour in this election. at least people voted for what they beleive and not tactically.
Yes it did let the Tories in but until you dump FPTP and bring in PR then this will always happen. People need to vote for what they beleive and not to keep the least favoured party out
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2005 9:27:24 GMT 1
Welshshrew, talking politics is surely all opinions, and if your opinion differs from mine, then I must be talking bollox. OK. so lets be realistic. You got the MP you wanted for Shrewsbury, I got the Government I wanted for the country. Lets both be happy, and concentrate on supporting the one blue team which unites us. Not at all mate. And sorry if the word b******s offends you. It is just the way I would be speaking informally with friends in an informal environment if I strongly disagreed with something I'm not entirely sure that Shrewsbury got the MP it deserved to be honest, the country got the government it wanted (but still with far too big a majority given it's dire share of the popular vote). Cheers
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Post by petetheloon on May 6, 2005 9:28:48 GMT 1
actually a lot has changed Mr Price.
With their majority reduced by around 100 seats Labour will find it harder to push unpopular laws and legistlation through the commens as the votes will be harder to win, so in effect the backbenchers and opposition parties will be a lot more powerful to oppose things in the new Parliament
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Post by Mr T on May 6, 2005 9:32:58 GMT 1
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on May 6, 2005 9:34:25 GMT 1
actually a lot has changed Mr Price. With their majority reduced by around 100 seats Labour will find it harder to push unpopular laws and legistlation through the commens as the votes will be harder to win, so in effect the backbenchers and opposition parties will be a lot more powerful to oppose things in the new Parliament From what i saw and herd on Tv this morning - they still have a massive amount of extra MP's and can still work almost anything through???
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on May 6, 2005 9:36:03 GMT 1
a tory for shrewsbury will this have any ramifications for the new ground? Wondered who was going to be first to say that!!! If we had any more planning comitties and stuff to go through i would worry but as the important stuff "seems" to have been granted now (under the Lobor goverments time in charge of Shrewsbury) it should not be a problem No doubt when its built the torys will be there climing the credit and all that now!!!
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Post by petetheloon on May 6, 2005 9:41:04 GMT 1
The majority is down from 160's to 60. it will be a lot harder to push through legislation as all it would take is a labour back bench revolt to prevent the bills from going through.
Labours majority has been too big for too long, at least now a bit of balence has been brought back
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Post by Mediolanum Shrew on May 6, 2005 9:41:30 GMT 1
Simple really. Blair should go. He has done fantastic to turn the Labour Party around, but the Trust has gone, and like in any relationship once that has happened, it's over.
Still when you think about it, we have supposidly the most dispisd prime minister in years and yet the Tories share of the vote stayed the same. They ahve a long way to go to get back into power, and I believe Labour still have the ace up their sleeve. Gordon Brown.
I hope Daniel sticks to his word. Battles for Shrewsbury. It's one reason I like Paul Marsden before he lost the plot. To be fair I will always be grateful t Paul because he very much helped and inspired me with SUFAN. Whether DK will be that interested in STFC now the election has gone who knows. I hated the bit last night when he said thanks to the Tory Borough Councillors for helping him get elected. It's that clique that has done so much damage against STFC, why it has taken years to get the New Meadow. And dont forget that whilst we are accusing people of being liars, what did Daniel put in his canvassing literature - that the Tory lead Borough Council had helped move the football ground. Bloody bare faced cheek.
I dont know if Matt Elliott is on line but he has been being on for ages about DK in previous elections. Does seem to be the opportunist politican in the Conway/ Fox.
Anyway. Tired after staying up late. Glad Labour won, but feels like a hollow victory in some respects.
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Post by Simon on May 6, 2005 9:45:13 GMT 1
I'm probably the only one happy to see the Tory performance in Shropshire. Don't know much about DK apart from the fact he's very tall, but I was involved with Philip Dunne in Ludlow Const. and am proud we got a local boy back into our natural territory.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2005 11:04:33 GMT 1
I'm probably the only one happy to see the Tory performance in Shropshire. Don't know much about DK apart from the fact he's very tall, but I was involved with Philip Dunne in Ludlow Const. and am proud we got a local boy back into our natural territory. There's another happy Conservative voter here as well ;D Pleased that the Tories regained control of Shrewsbury and even happier that my vote in Hammersmith and Fulham halped Gregg Hands to re-take control of the closest seat in London
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Post by stainesr on May 6, 2005 11:29:37 GMT 1
Oh well. There nothing you can do now the Tories are so entrenched in Shrewsbury. But maybe the supporters' association could try and lobby the MP to try and build up some goodwill towards the area's political establishment and the club. The same goes for the council. They are here to stay now and you can only work with the people who are put in front of you.
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Post by timgallon on May 6, 2005 11:53:31 GMT 1
No doubt about it a lot of previous Labour voters defected to Lib Dem and let the Tories in.
The good thing is that if the Shrewsbury public want the Tories out they know that they can vote Labour.
Blair is to blame for the Labour collapse, times up Tony.
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Post by rob on May 6, 2005 12:11:11 GMT 1
Lets just hope the lib dems can build upon their relative sucess.
It'll be important that they finally adopt a position on the political spectrum before the next election, because when Gordon Brown is in office, and when the Conservatives have finally used their brains and appointed someone from within that will be able to "bond" with the national electorate as opposed to some Tory that they like within the party, the Lib Dems wont be the obvious choice, and votes will not be as easy to come by.
To some extent the Lib dems benefited from the poor opposition and lack of faith in TB, however their entire 22-23% of the vote can not be dismissed as protest votes.
This is not only patronising, but extremely wide of the mark
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Post by BelleVueShrew on May 6, 2005 12:13:47 GMT 1
I voted Lib Dem and am proud of it. and so are the 10% that deserted labour in this election. at least people voted for what they beleive and not tactically. Spot on Pete, my sentiments entirely. It is the first time I have voted Lib Dem in a General Election. I'm disappointed DK got in, wanted him less than any of them; but at the end of the day I can hold my head up high and say I voted for the candidate that I believe best represented my views. The 10% swing to Lib Dem is a great achievement and gives them a platform to build on in the future. If Dk doesn't do the business as our constituency rep & Labour fail as a Government, they have every chance of getting in at the next election.
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Post by Loud and Proud on May 6, 2005 12:14:32 GMT 1
All I can say is it's all thanks to two things.
The first is the spineless piece of S**m that is called Paul Marsden.
The second is all those fools that felt it was clever to make a protest vote and put their crosses against the Lib Dems.
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Post by BelleVueShrew on May 6, 2005 12:19:06 GMT 1
All I can say is it's all thanks to two things. The first is the spineless piece of S**m that is called Paul Marsden. The second is all those fools that felt it was clever to make a protest vote and put their crosses against the Lib Dems. Loud and Proud, I am not a fool, sunshine. I did not make a protest vote, I do not think it is clever. I do believe it is right to vote for the candidate who best represents your beliefs. Shame more people don't follow suit.
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Post by petetheloon on May 6, 2005 12:25:52 GMT 1
I have a;ways voted Lib Dem because i beleive in their policies, and not because i want to stop the worst alternative.
But answer this loud and proud: if all the people who beleive in Lib Dem policies, hadn't voted labour to try keep the tories out then would we not see a completely different picture?
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Post by BelleVueShrew on May 6, 2005 12:28:23 GMT 1
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Post by rob on May 6, 2005 12:28:43 GMT 1
i wonder how many of the "portest voters" would have just stayed at home if they hadnt voted Lib dems.
I know my dad certanly would have done
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Post by petetheloon on May 6, 2005 12:35:33 GMT 1
Good point. with the tories opposing a fox hunting ban they are likely to pick up votes as a protest against labour particularly in a constituancy like ours
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Post by Loud and Proud on May 6, 2005 12:37:15 GMT 1
I have a;ways voted Lib Dem because i beleive in their policies, and not because i want to stop the worst alternative. The Lib Dems can always make promises and to stand up and say that they would raise Taxes etc because they know that they have as much chance as a snowball in hell of actually getting into power and then attempting to add up all the figures and make it all work. And any party that would be prepared to give convicted prisoners the vote would never ever get mine.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2005 12:39:08 GMT 1
To me the only proper 'protest' votes come in places such as Blaneu, Gwent.
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Post by petetheloon on May 6, 2005 12:44:57 GMT 1
Well those are your beleifs loud and proud and i hoped you voted in accordance with them, as i did with mine.
There was no chance the Lib Dems would get in power this election because they are hampered by tactical voting, but at least I can stand up and say I voted how I felt, as opposed to tactical voters who voted labour and will now spend the next 4 years moaning about them.
People should vote on what they feel is right for them, even if its BNP, we do after all live in a democracy where we are free to choose.
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Post by dachs on May 6, 2005 17:52:08 GMT 1
I am sure they will want to respond to that, and it is their democratic right what i want to know is why Burt sent me a letter two days ago saying it was him or the Tories, yet i heard him on Radio Shriopshire tonight saying it was Labour or the Tories The Lib dem vote goes up and lets the Tories back in That means I have personal evidence that Danny K (allegedly) and the Lib Dems have been dishonest to try and win Shrewsbury Looks like I might have to stand as the next Labour candidate, if only to be honest about local politics This aspect of Burt's campaign has really p**sed me off. I had at least four letters saying that this seat only had two genuine contenders - him and DK- with silly little graphics to illustrate it. All along this was clearly a bare faced lie, no-one anywhere expected him to challenge for the seat. But, theoretically, if 1 in 10 people who were planning to vote Labour saw this and it at face value, then voted for Burt to keep the Tories out, that changed the result. Ion would have had a majority of 97. I know that's all just a theory, but the dishonesty still grates with me.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2005 17:57:22 GMT 1
This aspect of Burt's campaign has really p**sed me off. I had at least four letters saying that this seat only had two genuine contenders - him and DK- with silly little graphics to illustrate it. All along this was clearly a bare faced lie, no-one anywhere expected him to challenge for the seat. But, theoretically, if 1 in 10 people who were planning to vote Labour saw this and it at face value, then voted for Burt to keep the Tories out, that changed the result. Ion would have had a majority of 97. I know that's all just a theory, but the dishonesty still grates with me. What about Mike Ion's claims on radio today that they had warned that voting Lib Dem would let the Tories in nationally. You posted the same thing yesterday I think? Well an extra million did, and just like the statisticians told us, it made no effect on letting the Tories in nationally.
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Post by dachs on May 6, 2005 17:59:23 GMT 1
My post concerned only this seat. And that is, in a way, what happened.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2005 18:05:29 GMT 1
My post concerned only this seat. And that is, in a way, what happened. Apologies for misquoting you. Regarding Ion and the rest of the Labour Party however, they were utterly dishonest.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on May 6, 2005 18:07:37 GMT 1
a greater number of people voting lib dem could have helped to let the tories in nationally
the rise of conservative candidates is not because of a huge increase in the conservative vote
so Mike Ion was right in theory, and in reality it only came in at a lower level
What Burt did was lie completely. The Lib dems in the previous two elections also told the same barefaced lies
They always claim to be the second party in Shrewsbury, and yet have not been for 3 elections, even though historically they were stronger their current electioneering in the town is plainly lacking in any truth
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