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Post by rob on Apr 28, 2005 21:49:21 GMT 1
Please can someone give me a reasonably impartial view of this piece of kit. Is it true that it has been 20 years in the making, origionally designed for the cold war scenario and all ready out of date? Because i here from a t**t in my house (who seems to know more about my degree than i fricken well do or so he thinks ) is how great it is, and if Britain were to pull out and buy the cheaper, more effective F15/16 off a shelf and leave the Eurofighter scheme it would cost more than we would save (through fines and loss of jobn (surely a false economy?) Is this true? And any chance someone can bomb BAR Systems so that he'll have to pay for his own degree, then the fecker might take his exams, as opposed to have a year off through stress because his grandma died back in september But its ok for him to spunge off the company who is funded by military contracts paid by the tax payer, but how dare anyone work in the civil service, because thats a waste of money, as A) his mate works in the civil service, without a degree, he also happens to be thick and vastly overpiad-so everyone is and B) monkeys could do that job Oh and as for those who relly on the social well feck 'em
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2005 21:54:28 GMT 1
My advice - take more time choosing you housemates next time Oh and good on the lad for getting sponsorship for his degree - wish I'd thought of that one and saved some money!
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Post by OldGit on Apr 28, 2005 22:04:29 GMT 1
If you really want to know, Eurofighter was conceived in the mid 70s as a joint venture between several NATO countries (a bit like Airbus) and was intended to replace the Tornado. It was designed to combat the largely Soviet threat of SU-25 and MiG 29, but has become a bit of a white elephant since the collapse of the Warsaw pact.
There was a prohibitive penalty scheme written into the agreement to stop countries pulling out and dumping the costs on the remainder.
It is a fairly awesome piece of kit, but today's requirement is for a more deployable aircraft with Carrier or "Field" capability, as opposed to big airbase with long runways. Also, the threat is fairly antiquated and certainly no match for the F 14, 15, 16 type aircraft. Basically we'd be quids in if we'd exchanged the production rights for Harrier (which we virtually gave to the Yanks) for reciprocal rights to build F15s.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Apr 28, 2005 22:06:00 GMT 1
Eurofighter is 4 things
1) an amazing piece of kit
2) there to protect British jobs and most importantly a bit of pride
3) a cute bit of PR for pro -europeans
4) a gigantic waste of time and money
We can blow the poo out of almost every nation under the sun with what we already have already
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Post by BlueinSY2 on Apr 30, 2005 9:44:15 GMT 1
3 years behind schedule . Major issues with Flight computers software No thought to any ground support infastructure it ain't as reliable as the Bods from BAe think (it ain't an aircraft designed for engineers ) Sorry I have dragged this topic back up but have been busy for a week or so and trying to catch up!
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Post by WindsorShrew on Apr 30, 2005 9:50:27 GMT 1
I belive there are also problems with the nose mounted weapon guidance due to weight issues and as I remember is'nt it too heavy for our New Aircraft Carriers ? You should hear the fiasco about the new Army Radio system, over 1 Billion spent and useless.
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Post by GlosShrew on Apr 30, 2005 10:22:30 GMT 1
I am one of those 'civil servants' who work for the Defence Procurement Agency here in Bristol, the people responsible for procuring these items of equipment for the Armed Forces. Unfortunately it is only the 'high profile' projects that go over time and cost that get on the front page of the newspapers, there are literally hundreds and hundreds of others that are going to meet and probably beat their 'in-service date' and arrive on budget. Great steps have been taken over the last few years (SMART procurement) to ensure over-run projects are reduced to a minimum, however the sheer nature of many of these (untried technology etc) means that some will inevitably fall by the wayside. Not making excuses, we have deserved some of the flack in the past and also we are not the only ones, most countries with a defence budget like ours, have similar problems. Look at the Yanks.
Incidentally it is TYPHOON now - not EuroFighter.
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Post by Dicky Knee on Apr 30, 2005 11:08:28 GMT 1
Please can someone give me a reasonably impartial view of this piece of kit. Is it true that it has been 20 years in the making, origionally designed for the cold war scenario and all ready out of date? Because i here from a twit in my house (who seems to know more about my degree than i fricken well do or so he thinks ) is how great it is, and if Britain were to pull out and buy the cheaper, more effective F15/16 off a shelf and leave the Eurofighter scheme it would cost more than we would save (through fines and loss of jobn (surely a false economy?) Is this true? And any chance someone can bomb BAR Systems so that he'll have to pay for his own degree, then the fecker might take his exams, as opposed to have a year off through stress because his grandma died back in september But its ok for him to spunge off the company who is funded by military contracts paid by the tax payer, but how dare anyone work in the civil service, because thats a waste of money, as A) his mate works in the civil service, without a degree, he also happens to be thick and vastly overpiad-so everyone is and B) monkeys could do that job Oh and as for those who relly on the social well feck 'em I take it you don't need english these days to get into university
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Post by Carter on Apr 30, 2005 11:15:13 GMT 1
I saw the typhoon/eurofighter do a short flight last year at the cosford airshow - say what you like, it certainly was some awesome piece of kit!!!!
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Post by BlueinSY2 on Apr 30, 2005 11:36:56 GMT 1
i'm one of the poor unfortunate blue suited guys who will fix the typhoon when it comes into service (more likely we wil have played a season at the new meadow before that happens). It has the potential to be a great aeroplane but as usual the air force wants a jack of all trade aircraft, it was designed to meet the cold war threat of soviet aircraft that has now gone. However the RAF want to use it as a ground attack aircraft just as the smart move is into unmanned aircraft. It is a cold war dinosaur and would have been a world beater had it come into service on it's due date 1998!!!
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Post by BlueinSY2 on Apr 30, 2005 11:40:04 GMT 1
Carter that aircraft only did 3 mins and then returned to base broken, a mate of mine is at BAe warton on the delivery team.
However the typhoon will be returning to the cosford air show on the 12 jun 05 get tickets early folks to avoid the queues!!!
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