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Post by aleix on Apr 19, 2005 19:46:41 GMT 1
I always thought that violence is not the answer for supposed intellectuals? I might be a schoolboy but I'd still kick your ass for the things you say! How can you sleep at night saying the things you say! You're a sad little character......now do us a favour and **** off!
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Post by rob on Apr 19, 2005 19:49:17 GMT 1
thanks aleix i love you too
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Post by aleix on Apr 19, 2005 19:52:20 GMT 1
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Post by Alf Woods Shinpad left on Apr 19, 2005 19:52:57 GMT 1
RIGHT ON ! Aleix , UK Shrew is quite clearly mentally ill at best or just a complete moron!
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Post by UK Shrew on Apr 19, 2005 19:53:15 GMT 1
I might be a schoolboy but I'd still kick your ass for the things you say! How can you sleep at night saying the things you say! You're a sad little character......now do us a favour and **** off! ..........when you're big enough sonny, now back to your student debt!
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Post by Alf Woods Shinpad left on Apr 19, 2005 19:55:14 GMT 1
Told Ya!!
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Post by aleix on Apr 19, 2005 19:56:42 GMT 1
You're probably a midget who is under the wives thumb.....
big enough? is 6ft 2" big enough for you?
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Post by UK Shrew on Apr 19, 2005 20:01:27 GMT 1
Whats that Alf, that I'm mentally ill or a moron As for 6ft 2" Aleix, a lanky streak of proverbial urine, doesn't really fill me with dread, but I'll do my best to feel threatened, if it makes you feel masterful I bet the year 7 girls.......hold on.......boys......are in total awe
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Post by aleix on Apr 19, 2005 20:06:18 GMT 1
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Post by rob on Apr 19, 2005 20:13:26 GMT 1
doubt he has a wife, he's more likely got a boyfriend, juding by his comments on this thread
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Post by aleix on Apr 19, 2005 20:16:51 GMT 1
Probably satisfies his sexual needs with his hamster
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Post by UK Shrew on Apr 19, 2005 20:17:53 GMT 1
doubt he has a wife, he's more likely got a boyfriend, juding by his comments on this thread Drat, foiled again Yes, I admit I've been in denial all along and am indeed a bandit of the poo canal after all.
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Post by aleix on Apr 19, 2005 20:20:42 GMT 1
Drat, foiled again Yes, I admit I've been in denial all along and am indeed a bandit of the poo canal after all. No! Really? No! You look uncomfortable talking about sex... Is it because of the peanut-size?
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Post by Danielson on Apr 19, 2005 21:17:42 GMT 1
I think the Dalai Lama should have been the new pope. This new fella has had no experience running a major religion. Or maybe even one of the Ayatollahs from Iran.
They could have even gone for one of the religious leaders from the lower leagues.
Maybe somebody from the church of scientology or one of the many fundimentalist Islamic movements.
It's always the same with these worldwide organisations they always go for some central european hasbeen who has never won anything.
At least they didn't choose GP ;D
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Post by dachs on Apr 19, 2005 22:41:02 GMT 1
I think the Dalai Lama should have been the new pope. This new fella has had no experience running a major religion. It's rare for me to enjoy a post as much as that. I like your style.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Apr 19, 2005 23:33:27 GMT 1
I don't understand the catholic church systems and how they vote in a Pope at all
but I understand even less people who don't like religion and don't like the church standing by and criticising what they do
I do have several friends who are catholic but I am not a catholic and I would disagree fairly strongly with several key tenets of the catholic faith. I don't consider myself to be under the authority of this pope.
But I do think he has the right the lead the Church who appointed him in the way he sees fit
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Post by Hampshire Supporter on Apr 20, 2005 7:30:57 GMT 1
Also seen having dinner with Peter Kenyon and Rio. They met purely by chance last night in the West End
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Post by oranjemob 1 on Apr 20, 2005 8:59:04 GMT 1
But I do think he has the right the lead the Church who appointed him in the way he sees fit But to what extent, Throb? Increase the populations of impoverished third world countries, beyond their ability to cope? Extend the human and sociological tragedy that is aids, at an even more alarming rate? Openly encourage, and justify, the vilification of countless thousands of decent men and women (note UKshrews sickening post) because of their (God given?) sexual orientation? Hitler was democratically elected, by the German people. He led the people "who appointed him in the way he saw fit". Did he have that right? If not, why does this particular individual, appointed by a miniscule number of appointed Cardinals, have the right to dictate policy that undermines the lives, and very existance, of millions upon millions of innocent people? It is certainly not compatable with the will of 'my' God.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Apr 20, 2005 9:18:10 GMT 1
I said over his Church, It is something people choose to follow. Something people choose to do.
Hitler was in control of and dominated by use of force millions of people who had no choice.
The Taliban dominated and controlled by use of force hundreds of thousands of people and imposed their religious beliefs on them.
This pope does not - he leads the people who choose to follow his faith and join his Church
Take it back a couple of hundred years and the accusation could be made, but not now, not int he same way - the mix of religion and state always ends with the corruption of power. It always has and it always will.
The issue of Aids in Africa and the catholic Church is a complicated one.
I do not agree with the catholic church's stance on contraception, but the idea that their policy of contraception is to blame for the worlds ills is not without it's own problems
What causes the transmission of aids? Is it not using contraception or promiscuity?
The catholic Church teaches against promiscuity and against contraception - and so if people followed their teaching the Aids issue would be radically reduced.
And as for the Church's stance on homosexuals feeding the villification of homosexuals.
Let us take the great four atheist leaders of the last century - Hitler, Mao Tse Tung, Stalin and Lenin
What did they all have in common? Well, right wing or left wing, they all seemed to hate homosexuals and had them exterminated in large numbers. Their argument was based on natural selectiona nd the origin of species, that what they saw as unatural acts that did not benefit society, and millions of homosexulas were murdered.
It is like the issue of abortion. People say "how can the american church be for the death penalty and against abortion" it is so unfair.
Yet last year in the UK over 150,000 abortions place and less than 50 people died as a result of the death penalty in the United States.
We always use our own prejudice to judge a situation.
I work for a Church and I watch Shrewsbury Town. There is far more homophobia amongst the young men and women who watch football than there is in the Church I have experienced. Everyone uses it as an argument against religion and against the Church but once people are not in public view all the old jokes and prejudices come out.
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Post by oranjemob 1 on Apr 20, 2005 10:18:48 GMT 1
Lots of stuff there, but just a couple of points. You say "Hitler was in control of and dominated by force......" Is there any difference between being threatened by a gun and being threatened with eternal damnation in the fires of hell? I think probably not. In fact, to those in less developed societies, the later may seem an awful lot worse. You say that people "choose to follow his faith and join his church". Is that really true? I think most Catholics are born into their church and brought up with the belief that to oppose it's teachings, to leave, or be excomunicated, is the worst fate that could possibly befall them. You mention the Dictators who themselves vilified homosexuals. Of course they were wrong and evil for such persecution. The Pope, although not leading the execution squads, has exactly the same feelings towards these people, and openly denounces them, for all to follow. Regarding the death penalty and abortion. If preservation of life is sacred, then it is sacred. No statistics can change that. Those who threaten death to people who work in abortion clinics and scream for the death penalty, yet quote the bible in order to attempt to outlaw abortion and refuse to fund stem cell research, to save countless lives, are, in my view, repugnant beyond words. I do, believe it or not( ) believe in God. It's 'MY' God because it's the one I feel exists. My God stands for fairness, tolerance, justice and peace. For the furtherance of all mankind, and making the full use of knowledge, wealth, technology and medical science, in order to help and support the human race. Which is why 'my' God does not like right wing Americam politicians, nor appointed right wing church leaders. Do you detect a pattern here
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Apr 20, 2005 10:37:41 GMT 1
and it would sound like your God and my God have quite a lot in common But having said that, I do think that God is a God of judgement. The idea of the supreme being of the universe not minding a few of the dodgy practices of humanity just does not correlate with what i see in scripture. God is a God of love, sure, but like anyone who loves us He is also very concerned about the way we live and who we are, and so has set some fairly clear guidelines that should not be crossed. I would say a couple of things to finish though, You make a very good point about the "Catholic society" as such and being born into a way of life, a race. I believe the Christian faith is a personal decision and experience of God outside of upbringing, race, gender or whatever I don;t agree with the death penalty - far from it, I am totally opposed to it and am angered by the abuse of scripture used to justify it. But - as a society and as a nation I think we have enough blood on our own hands that mean we are in a weak position until we have our own house in order. I don't believe in a single structure for Church, a single power base, a monopoly. I believe in individual groups of Christians getting together to encourage each other and to reach out to the poor and needy in their society around them. As I said earlier, I could name half a dozen, probably more basic assuptions of catholicism which I would disagree with on the basis of my understanding of the bible - but I would defend their right to practice their religion, which is a difficult balance
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Post by oranjemob 1 on Apr 20, 2005 10:51:28 GMT 1
I think that more unites us than divides us
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