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Post by meoleshrew2 on Apr 18, 2005 21:42:38 GMT 1
It should all be equal, but like i've said above its money, how many social workers would have to be employed to oversee custody cases. eventually children will become savy enough to push there rights through court. its slowly creeping in.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2005 22:08:28 GMT 1
Kickin's last post was a good one.
As for money to decide this - it should be made available if needed. If a child gets a proper upbringing then society as a whole benefits.
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Post by oranjemob 1 on Apr 19, 2005 7:37:42 GMT 1
In all seriousness, i have been on many occassions, subject to the kind of sexual harrassment that if it where carried out on a woman in say, a factory, would result in a multi thousand pound compensation claim. Same rules apply, mate. If it happens again, give me a call - No win, no fee?
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Post by jamo on Apr 19, 2005 7:49:55 GMT 1
Skinner: Commonlaw status is mostly urban myth and has no legality in law. If you signed no agreement then you can keep your property no matter how much your ex contributed to any mortgage payments. Get to the CAB at once to sort it out. throbsblackhat: what the hell does the fact that a lot of social workers are female have to do with parental rights Nothing to do with Social Services. It's all dealt with by the family courts.
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Post by pawlo on Apr 19, 2005 8:12:48 GMT 1
Same rules apply, mate. If it happens again, give me a call - No win, no fee? No Job?
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Apr 19, 2005 8:29:51 GMT 1
throbsblackhat: what the hell does the fact that a lot of social workers are female have to do with parental rights Nothing to do with Social Services. It's all dealt with by the family courts. I was talking more generally, in terms of domestic and family situations, in terms of parenting skills and support There is almost always a bias towards the mother when it comes to the children, in every aspect of family life point one is was do with the way the law works, point two was more general There are plenty of males out there who really do make life hard for women, but the whole system of child care, parenting and assistance is now majorly in favour of women
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Post by kickinpretty on Apr 19, 2005 9:05:33 GMT 1
I agree with TBH, looking at my daughters school work, (she's 7) you can see the bias towards the mother in the teaching methods and content, i get really miffed when seeing mummy does the cooking, or mummy does the washing up or mummy walked the dog, or muumy us to the park, as i know this not to be true as i always did everythiong like that, fathers hardly get a mention and its wrong.
I think the government has a lot to answer for, for reinforcing sexist attitudes.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Apr 19, 2005 9:10:31 GMT 1
The inability of our society to provide male primary school teachers adds to the equation
A child can be delivered, go to toddler group, go to pre school, go to primary school and have regular medical check ups along the way without any male contact.
Maybe it is the fault of men who just don;t want to be involved, or maybe there is serious social stigma and intimidation in those envirmonments like Pab has experienced in nursing?
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Post by pawlo on Apr 19, 2005 9:27:44 GMT 1
I think the government has a lot to answer for, for reinforcing sexist attitudes. So the government is to blame for your daughter drawing pictures of her mother doing the house work when it really should have been her Dad?
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Post by oranjemob 1 on Apr 19, 2005 9:38:59 GMT 1
No Job? Nah, it can't happen But anyway, even if it did, think of all those relaxing days you would have (living off the compensation I would have won for you) with the comforting knowledge that you 'beat the system'.
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Post by pawlo on Apr 19, 2005 9:41:02 GMT 1
Nah, it can't happen But anyway, even if it did, think of all those relaxing days you would have (living off the compensation I would have won for you) with the comforting knowledge that you 'beat the system'. Are you a solicitor then?
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Post by oranjemob 1 on Apr 19, 2005 9:42:31 GMT 1
I think the government has a lot to answer for, for reinforcing sexist attitudes. Odd. I though that a major critisim of recent Government policy, in this regard, is that it has gone too far in trying to remove sexist attitudes, and has become too PC.
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Post by oranjemob 1 on Apr 19, 2005 9:47:42 GMT 1
Are you a solicitor then? Good God no I'm far too honest. But when it comes to Industrial Relations, and Employment Law, I'm much, much, better, and a damned site cheaper.
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Post by pawlo on Apr 19, 2005 9:52:49 GMT 1
Good God no I'm far too honest. But when it comes to Industrial Relations, and Employment Law, I'm much, much, better, and a damned site cheaper. Union Rep then
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Post by oranjemob 1 on Apr 19, 2005 10:05:25 GMT 1
Union Rep then No. Too much independance of thought for that. I just roam the country, doing good, righting wrongs, and generaly upholding moral values, individual liberty and social justice. Asking nothing in return, other than a couple of groats to purchase a few morsels of bread and some liquid sustenance, in order to keep my strength up and thus continue on my crusade.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Apr 19, 2005 10:17:53 GMT 1
No. Too much independance of thought for that. I just roam the country, doing good, righting wrongs, and generaly upholding moral values, individual liberty and social justice. Asking nothing in return, other than a couple of groats to purchase a few morsels of bread and some liquid sustenance, in order to keep my strength up and thus continue on my crusade. Are you in the A Team?
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Post by pawlo on Apr 19, 2005 10:22:08 GMT 1
No. Too much independance of thought for that. I just roam the country, doing good, righting wrongs, and generaly upholding moral values, individual liberty and social justice. Asking nothing in return, other than a couple of groats to purchase a few morsels of bread and some liquid sustenance, in order to keep my strength up and thus continue on my crusade. Oh my God .................your Zorrow
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Post by oranjemob 1 on Apr 19, 2005 10:28:47 GMT 1
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Post by kickinpretty on Apr 19, 2005 10:46:41 GMT 1
The point im making sisterpab/orangemob1 is that my daughter is given worksheets that are sexist, fathers very rarely get a mention. And i would say that it is the governments fault as they are in charge of education. if the teachers are teaching the role of a mother as the person who cooks, cleans, washes up, does the shopping, picks the kids up from school/nursery etc..... even though a vast amount of fathers do this role then what chance have we got of equality, why should i have to go to school and read that mummy does the cooking when she doesn't, surely this is reinforcing a womans role as a houswife and mans role as the bread winner? Society has moved on from those dark days.
There may well be PC teaching for gay and ethnic tolerance but PC does not even get a look in when it comes to teaching children about a mother and fathers roles.
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Post by rob on Apr 19, 2005 11:02:56 GMT 1
But kickin, the vast majority of women/mothers fulfill these roles. So if they are too be consistant in what they teach the emphasis is bound to be on the mother, cleaning, cooking, fetching the kids from school, taking the kids to the dentist etc... You sound just like my dad, wait until they start phoning the house at all times in the evening and morning requiring help
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Post by oranjemob 1 on Apr 19, 2005 11:11:22 GMT 1
The point im making sisterpab/orangemob1 is that my daughter is given worksheets that are sexist, fathers very rarely get a mention. And i would say that it is the governments fault as they are in charge of education. if the teachers are teaching the role of a mother as the person who cooks, cleans, washes up, does the shopping, picks the kids up from school/nursery etc..... even though a vast amount of fathers do this role then what chance have we got of equality, why should i have to go to school and read that mummy does the cooking when she doesn't, surely this is reinforcing a womans role as a houswife and mans role as the bread winner? Society has moved on from those dark days. There may well be PC teaching for gay and ethnic tolerance but PC does not even get a look in when it comes to teaching children about a mother and fathers roles. I take your point, Kickin, but I think, as Throb implied earlier, that this has more to do with content of the lessons, within the curriculum, and the gender make up of infant and Promary school teachers. If a blatant emphasis on gender steriotyping is going on, it would be down to the Governors to investigate and, if proven, correct. Have you ever thought of contacting the Chair of Governors at your daughters school, or even of becoming a Governor yourself?
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Post by kickinpretty on Apr 19, 2005 11:19:26 GMT 1
Love to be a governor but havn't the time, i have thought about it and may well contact them as its something i feel strongly about.
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Post by BambiCHESTERCITYFC on Apr 19, 2005 13:32:57 GMT 1
I totally agree with all kickinpretty has said. The rest of you who argue that the reason why it's ok for the curriculum to be biast towards women for the reason that they fill these roles are too narrow minded.
The reason is because IF the curriculum biastly suggested that men are more prominent than women in a particular area...such as fixing broken items...women would straight away start crying saying that they're being undermined and that it's sexist stereotyping. Next thing you know the comlaints would be upheld and some politically correct parasite would come out and say that it's wrong for such an implication to be made. HOWEVER, you will NEVER get anyone saying that it's biast against men or fathers..it's just considered to be acceptable.
It's completely wrong and i'm surprised that family men like Brown and Blair haven't moved to try and even up the score. Why should a mother choose whether a father is fit to see HIS children or not? It's a disgraceful erosion of Father's rights and and belittling of a Father's worth. It puts younger men off wanting to start families and the ineptitude and sexism of the family social workers only make this problem worse.
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Post by Biggot on Apr 19, 2005 13:35:27 GMT 1
My theory about women is " They should be obscene and not heard"
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Post by oranjemob on Apr 19, 2005 15:32:44 GMT 1
Love to be a governor but havn't the time, i have thought about it and may well contact them as its something i feel strongly about. It doesn't take that much time. A meeting every couple of months, and maybe a sub-committee once a quarter. You should seriously think about it. You certainly should contact the Chair of Governors about your specific complaint. He/she would be obliged to look at it and give you an explanation. By the way Bambi, I don't think anyone is saying it's right for any bias within the curriculum, towards women, or even that the curriculum is biased towards women. If you read the thread more carefully, you will see that.
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Post by BambiCHESTERCITYFC on Apr 19, 2005 15:38:12 GMT 1
But kickin, the vast majority of women/mothers fulfill these roles. Try reading the posts again yourself orangemob if you can...?
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Post by oranjemob on Apr 19, 2005 15:53:54 GMT 1
Try reading the posts again yourself orangemob if you can...? Now sit down, take your time, and read this carefully. Rob's post, like others, points out that the delivery of the curriculum may be slanted to the idea of female domesticity, because of the gender make up within that perticular profession. He, nor anyone else as far as I'm aware, has stated that the curriculum ether dictates that representation, nor should it. Don't worry, as I live very close to Chester, I'm quite used to saying things slowly, and repeating myself time and time again
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Post by BambiCHESTERCITYFC on Apr 19, 2005 16:05:31 GMT 1
But orangemob if you read HMA's post it sounds like he's talking from his point of view and not that of others. Maybe he is speaking for others but there's nothing there to suggest he is...and my point remains valid if there was a slant towards a male oriented prominence then it would be deemed sexist. Can you see what i'm saying? People who talk slow are also a bit dim themseleves...yes that rings true with you does it not?
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Post by skinner on Apr 19, 2005 16:44:04 GMT 1
Hi folks,thanks to everyone for there snippets of advise.Just got back from the solicitors now and as JAMO said commonlaw husband/wife laws are mostly myth.With my situation i.e the mortgage is solely in my name and the bank account used for vast majority of bills is also solely in my name,therefore it will be hard for her too prove how much she was actually contributing to the upkeep of the house, I will be able to come out of this without coughing up too much,if anything at all.
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Post by oranjemob 1 on Apr 19, 2005 16:46:35 GMT 1
People who talk slow are also a bit dim themseleves...yes that rings true with you does it not? Could be. How do we compare ourselves. I guess we're all a bit dim when compared to someone or other. You may feel slightly in awe of Sir Isaac Newton, Stephen Hawkins, or the like. I, on the other, hand felt humbled by the dialogue by 'Throb's Black Hat' in support of the Shrews Trust. No, I don't see what you're saying. However, I'm sure Rob is more than capable of debating the point - should he choose. By the way. Do you know what one of these is?
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