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Post by Guest on Apr 18, 2005 20:45:43 GMT 1
No disrespect to the youngsters, but it shows how far we have fallen when Austin Berkley is mentioned in a thread about legends Sadly very true.
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Post by jamo on Apr 18, 2005 20:47:11 GMT 1
A perfectly valid view (albeit, utterly wrong), but I must ask who the hell Maginnly was? I was slightly agitated when typing that I of course meant the best striker i have ever witnessed in a Town shirt. Signed from Elgin City and without doubt a finisher of supreme ability .John McGinlay
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Post by dachshund on Apr 18, 2005 21:24:41 GMT 1
No disrespect to the youngsters, but it shows how far we have fallen when Austin Berkley is mentioned in a thread about legends Maybe so. Best player in my time though (14 years.) Tommy runs him fairly close
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Post by Trev on Apr 18, 2005 22:05:27 GMT 1
Jemson and McGinlay were two class acts and probably two of the best strikers we've ever had at the club. Ian Mcneil was a total disaster but he did redeem himself slightly when he signed McGinlay and the same could be said of Ratcliffe when he brought in Jemmo.
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Post by stockportershrew on Apr 18, 2005 22:06:04 GMT 1
I can think of at least a whole team of players better than austin Berkley over the last 14 years and that's saying something.
Carl griffiths, Wayne clarke, walton (lst time around) Mark williams mark taylor, paul evans, Jemson, Lynch, Mickey Brown, Darren Currie, David Hughes all better than austin for starters. None are legends though.
Don't like the word legend (only really Rowley would count) but the last great player we had was McGinley and kasule was legendary but for different reasons.
Anyway I'm trying blank out most of the last decade as it's too depressing.
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Post by jamo on Apr 19, 2005 6:29:57 GMT 1
Don't like the word legend (only really Rowley would count) but the last great player we had was McGinley and kasule was legendary but for different reasons. . At last, the voice of reason Lets not be too hard on these likable fools who rush to place that pie-eating wastral on the same planet as those you mention. In fairness to them they have had to watch an awful lot of garbage in their short, impressionable lives.
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Post by dachs on Apr 19, 2005 9:55:15 GMT 1
I can think of at least a whole team of players better than austin Berkley over the last 14 years and that's saying something. Carl griffiths, Wayne clarke, walton (lst time around) Mark williams mark taylor, paul evans, Jemson, Lynch, Mickey Brown, Darren Currie, David Hughes all better than austin for starters. None are legends though. Maybe more effective players, I grant you, but I enjoyed watching Aussie play more than any of those. I'm also strongly in the "Evo was crap" school of thinking - though I don't want to kick that argument off again
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Post by tattooshrew on Apr 19, 2005 11:44:27 GMT 1
Been going to the meadow since about 1966 and Jemmo was never one of my favorites. IMHO clever but lazy and too much of an ego. Will never forget him having a go at the bloke sat behind me who shouted "Shut up and get on with it" at him. Jemmo told him that he should have said it to him again after the match in the car park and he would "kick your ******* head in". Next to the family stand with loads of kids about too! No respect at all for the fans and a bad example for the kids. In fairness he did bring the best out in Luke though.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Apr 19, 2005 11:49:42 GMT 1
Been going to the meadow since about 1966 and Jemmo was never one of my favorites. IMHO clever but lazy and too much of an ego. Will never forget him having a go at the bloke sat behind me who shouted "Shut up and get on with it" at him. Jemmo told him that he should have said it to him again after the match in the car park and he would "kick your ******* head in". Next to the family stand with loads of kids about too! No respect at all for the fans and a bad example for the kids. In fairness he did bring the best out in Luke though. One of many incidents of the like im sure!
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Post by stockportershrew on Apr 19, 2005 12:00:33 GMT 1
I think the criteria on judging berkley have changed somewhat on this thread from legend to best player to enjoyable to watch. If we're talking about enjoyable to watch then Alex McGregor in was my favourite but he certainly isn't a legend and probably wouldn't get in my best 25 (or even top 50) town players over the last thirty years. People who think Aiston and Berkley are entertaining to watch should have seen this guy.
Sorry but it must be reaching 40 that has made me more grouchy about people's judgement of the recent crop of players (last 10-15 years) the vast majority of whom are instantly forgetable.
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Post by Loud and Proud on Apr 19, 2005 12:15:11 GMT 1
I doubt it was in the job description to 'score the goals that knock the side that are sitting 4th in the Premiership out of the FA cup and earn enough money to get Shrewsbury Town back into the Football League'. But maybe it was. Well is it not the same type of reaction from all the little self opinionated little individuals that if someone dares to offer a different opinion on a subject to them then God help them as they all start whinning. By the way as an individual I have heard individual's moaned at that do not know what they are talking about if they were ever to slag off Jemson for the goals he scored against town as "He was only doing what he was paid to do". JEMSON = LEGEND = NO NO NO JEMSON = INFAMOUS = YES!!!!!!!!!! Watch now as this will be edited or removed by a Moderator.
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Apr 19, 2005 12:20:35 GMT 1
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Post by mike-in-cairo on Apr 19, 2005 12:27:05 GMT 1
jemo will always be remembered for a certain couple of goals he scored for us and ditto sir mickey. i loved aussie but i think the longer time passes, the better he'll become in our rose-tinted specs! and mcginlay was good but i well remember him givin us the v's after he scored for bury(?) against us.
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Post by faginy on Apr 19, 2005 12:29:19 GMT 1
i thought Jemson was brilliant. like some of the luckier people have said on this thread, the football over the last 10 years has been crap. but some of the goals he scored were top drawer. Jemmo's 2 goals against Everton meant more in the long run than Sir Mickeys at Exeter. thank you Jemmo
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Post by Shrew in the Bush on Apr 19, 2005 13:01:49 GMT 1
But surley, as good as Jemson could be to watch for being a bit of a loon and the goals he scored, he was the club captain when the club was relegated out of the football league for the first and hopefully only time in STFC's history.
It wasnt just his fault, but it happened on his watch and leaves a sour taste in the mouth.
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Post by dachs on Apr 19, 2005 13:23:30 GMT 1
I think the criteria on judging berkley have changed somewhat on this thread from legend to best player to enjoyable to watch. Well, the first is a combination of the latter two, surely. We can't just say everyone we've ever seen is rubbish and a waste of space, we've got nothing better to judge them by. So, for many of us, Tommy Lynch, for example, is a legend.
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Post by rob on Apr 19, 2005 13:44:40 GMT 1
Jemson a legend?
No, a very good player, though and we were probably one of the few clubs to get anything like some half decent productivity on a consistant basis off of him.
Having said up until midway through his last season here,when he could be bothered he always looked the best player on the park.
And thats where his problem lied, he was much better than a journeyman lower division striker with a big mouth, big tummy and distinctly average goal scoring record.
Legends work hard, legends feel something for the club, legends are fans heros. Jemson was none of these.
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Post by meoleshrew2 on Apr 19, 2005 13:46:43 GMT 1
Jemson a legend? No, a very good player, though and we were probably one of the few clubs to get anything like some half decent productivity on a consistant basis off of him. Having said up until midway through his last season here,when he could be bothered he always looked the best player on the park. And thats where his problem lied, he was much better than a journeyman lower division striker with a big mouth, big tummy and distinctly average goal scoring record. Legends work hard, legends feel something for the club, legends are fans heros. Jemson was none of these. In you opinion Rob ;D
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Post by rob on Apr 19, 2005 13:58:46 GMT 1
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