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Post by RBA not logged in on Apr 11, 2005 17:00:07 GMT 1
I see there were disgracefull scenes in Scotland yesterday when large sections of the crowd were booing and jeering the minutes silence .Scotland has always had a larger problem than England with the sectaria(as opposed to rascist )stuff so I suppose people should have seen it coming. But are there too many minutes silences these days and should they be confined to when football people die eg Arthur Rowley or to local disasters etc
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Post by wiganshrew2 on Apr 11, 2005 19:26:17 GMT 1
Sometimes I think it's appropriate, perhaps, to have a minute's silence for a very young supporter who's died. Wasn't there one, once?
I didn't hear about the booing in Scotland. Of course, as you say- there's all this sectarian stuff with Celtic and Rangers...etc...
In Liverpool, the traditional "Catholic" side has always been Everton- but there's no trouble based on that. It's just the usual rivalry.
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Post by aleix on Apr 11, 2005 19:35:55 GMT 1
Would you expect a bunch of muslims to hold a minute silence? Same goes for the protestants
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Post by MarkRowley on Apr 11, 2005 19:39:58 GMT 1
A very sad state of affairs although all too predictable in a nation where sectarianism remains rife On balance, probably the right decison to have the silence as Celtic fans and Catholics (as well as wider society) may have felt it disrespectful if it hadn't been, although they obviously didn't forsee a vocal minority of Hearts' fans behaving like complete knobs
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Post by harmerhillshrew on Apr 11, 2005 20:09:16 GMT 1
although they obviously didn't forsee a vocal minority of Hearts' fans behaving like complete knobs Well they damn well should have done. While no where near the Celtic/Rangers thing Hearts and Hibs are the Edinburgh equivelent
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Post by Joe Totale on Apr 11, 2005 20:40:36 GMT 1
Why have a minute's silence for the death of a religious figure at a football match?
In this case the leader of the Catholic church in a non-Catholic country. I'd understand it in Itay, Spain or any other Catholic country but why here?
And where does it all end? Should we have a minute's silence when the Chief Rabbi pops his clogs? The leader of the Orthodox church? Cat Stevens?
Keep it to football related matters and big national figures. Let's kick religion as well as racism out of football.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2005 21:02:43 GMT 1
There was a minute's silence at the Chelsea-Bayern match.
Although I apreciate that the Pope touched many people's lives around the world it seemed wrong to have a minutes silence at that match.
Both countries aren't heavily based on the catholic church and at the end of the day football surely has very little to do with religion?
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Post by pawlo on Apr 11, 2005 22:03:49 GMT 1
Interesting thread! Isnt this about respect. You dont have to agree with all the popes policies and religeous doctrines, but millions of people in this country do, even none catholics, as was demonstrated by the jews and muslims at his funeral. He was seen as the representative of God on earth, a very special man. What harm would it do to acknowledge not just his position, but also show your respect for how many other people are feeling. When thatcher pops her clogs, i feel quite sure there will be a minutes silence at many footy grounds because of the position of respect she holds with the country ( ), even though to me she is akin to the anti christ, i will respect that silence. Not because i think she was great or deserves respect, but because many other people think she does.
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Post by ianwhit on Apr 11, 2005 23:02:37 GMT 1
you would respect a minutes silence for thatcher? i'd leave
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Post by pawlo on Apr 11, 2005 23:11:01 GMT 1
you would respect a minutes silence for thatcher? i'd leave Really?
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Apr 11, 2005 23:39:03 GMT 1
It is also disrespectful to boo national anthems, but hey, several thousand England fans boo someone else's national anthem and that is ok
Germany has a lot of Catholics so i can see why Bayern wanted to.
Basically booing a minutes silence for anyone, anywhere and at any time is wrong. Someone has died so it is disrespectful.
The act of booing a minute's silence for the pope was a sectarian act, yes. So was demanding a minute's silence!
It is said that we don;t want religion and football to mix, but that is another issue. We don;t want sectarianism and football to mix.
I don't want racism or sectarianism in football, they are of the same ilk, it is the same thing under a different guise.
People want to have an argument about something and take something positive and use it for bad.
I have been very surprised by the media attention given to the pope in the UK, considering the media opposition to Christianity on the whole.
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Post by ianwhit on Apr 12, 2005 8:15:24 GMT 1
if i was working i'd sit down, if i was going to a game i wouldn't go in until after the minutes silence had been
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Post by Blue shrew on Apr 12, 2005 8:31:11 GMT 1
if i was working i'd sit down, if i was going to a game i wouldn't go in until after the minutes silence had been And there is the problem one persons hero is another persons demon
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Post by Bilbo on Apr 12, 2005 9:57:22 GMT 1
you would respect a minutes silence for thatcher? i'd leave Im with you on that one Whitter's. I would stay in the Pub an extra few minutes
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Post by pawlo on Apr 12, 2005 10:12:31 GMT 1
Yes i would respect a minutes silence. I would respect other peoples right to show their respect, obviously not my own.
There is no way on earth, no matter who it is, that i would be so disrespectfull as to remain seated, or keep chatting. I wasnt raised that way.
There would be a time and a place to demonstrate my contempt for her and what she stood for, but its not when a lot of other people are showing their respect.
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Post by Bilbo on Apr 12, 2005 10:21:03 GMT 1
If I was the in the ground, then yes I would remain silent. However, if I knew there was going to be a minutes silence I then would avoid be there when it happens
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Post by pawlo on Apr 12, 2005 10:23:23 GMT 1
If I was the in the ground, then yes I would remain silent. However, if I knew there was going to be a minutes silence I then would avoid be there when it happens Agreed. Lets just hope they make it simple and give us plenty of notice
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Post by timgallon on Apr 12, 2005 10:23:59 GMT 1
This was inevitably at a Hearts game.
Personally i think there are to many silences at games these days. It seems like whatever the media decide is some sort of tragedy must then result in a minutes silence at a football ground, and if not then somehow we are being disrespectful. What is it with all this public greiving? If you're that upset about something you wouldnt be there in the first place.
What connection did the Pope have to a Scottish football game?
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Post by Bilbo on Apr 12, 2005 10:24:27 GMT 1
Plenty of notice will be great......... Give me time to organise a party ;D
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Post by BelleVueShrew on Apr 12, 2005 11:23:15 GMT 1
Im with you on that one Whitter's. I would stay in the Pub an extra few minutes Just hope that the Telepost doesn't try and hold a minutes silence when the time comes ;D
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Post by pawlo on Apr 12, 2005 13:29:22 GMT 1
What connection did the Pope have to a Scottish football game? He was reveared by millions of scots.
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Post by Scottish Shrew on Apr 12, 2005 15:51:45 GMT 1
There are 750,000 catholics in Scotland out of a population of nearly 5 million. The SFA said earlier in the week that they were a non secular organisation and would not be observing a minutes silence for the Pope at either of the semi finals as they knew fine well what the reaction would be amongst some Hearts fans(imagine if it had been Rangers!). They were put under pressure by the govt and relented on friday. This was all avoidable as everyone knows that the game up here is tarnished with religious nonsense. After all the bleating from Celtic fans regarding a lack of respect ,I would say that when the silence was stopped they broke into a chorus of "Dirty Orange B******s and followed it by singing the Soldiers Song.The pope would have been so proud.............
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