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Rover
Apr 7, 2005 22:42:30 GMT 1
Post by SeanBroseley on Apr 7, 2005 22:42:30 GMT 1
Very interesting to hear the news tonight on R4 at 10pm. The directors of the firm have denied to BBC reporters that the administrators have been called in - despite the government's statement to that effect.
I also note that directors have "done a Sam Hanham" with the real estate. Surprise surprise.
This could be an interesting development vis-a-vis the general election. The Birmingham Labour Party has recently, and yet again, showed itself to be in a mess (and perhaps should be suspended pending an investiagtion by the national party), and there are a number of marginal seats in the area.
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Rover
Apr 7, 2005 22:46:36 GMT 1
Post by Pilch on Apr 7, 2005 22:46:36 GMT 1
will bristol rovers be deducted 10 points ?
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Rover
Apr 7, 2005 23:19:37 GMT 1
Post by somersetshrew on Apr 7, 2005 23:19:37 GMT 1
will bristol rovers be deducted 10 points ? I hope so, I have a substantial bet that we will finish above them
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Rover
Apr 7, 2005 23:40:54 GMT 1
Post by scooter on Apr 7, 2005 23:40:54 GMT 1
I also note that directors have "done a Sam Hanham" with the real estate. Surprise surprise. What have they done with the real estate - I must have missed this
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Rover
Apr 8, 2005 6:42:31 GMT 1
Post by kickinpretty on Apr 8, 2005 6:42:31 GMT 1
Let them sink i say, if they are not competitive then they have no right to function as a business. We have a lot to learn in this country about competing, the unions have had a big part to play in the downfall of companies like rover, just take a look at STADCO , their workers go on strike if the tea is cold at break time. Bring back maggie....
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Rover
Apr 8, 2005 8:30:31 GMT 1
Post by SeanBroseley on Apr 8, 2005 8:30:31 GMT 1
What have they done with the real estate - I must have missed this Its owned by separate compnies of which the directors of Rover are also directors.
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Rover
Apr 8, 2005 9:31:48 GMT 1
Post by scooter on Apr 8, 2005 9:31:48 GMT 1
Will they be able to benefit personally from selling the land, even if the company goes bust with debts ?
If so, it as scandalous.
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Rover
Apr 8, 2005 9:43:11 GMT 1
Post by The Lefty Looney on Apr 8, 2005 9:43:11 GMT 1
This problem is of course down solely to the bl**dy conservatives, they let everything go to rot and we are still paying the price. Rover should be helped by the taxpayer, or become goverment run. Untill this happens all union members should seriously consider industrial action to help our fellow workers.
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Rover
Apr 8, 2005 10:11:04 GMT 1
Post by SeanBroseley on Apr 8, 2005 10:11:04 GMT 1
Will they be able to benefit personally from selling the land, even if the company goes bust with debts ? If so, it as scandalous. Owned by separate businesses scooter so the answer is "yes".
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Rover
Apr 8, 2005 10:11:49 GMT 1
Post by Minor on Apr 8, 2005 10:11:49 GMT 1
This problem is of course down solely to the bl**dy conservatives, they let everything go to rot and we are still paying the price. Rover should be helped by the taxpayer, or become goverment run. Untill this happens all union members should seriously consider industrial action to help our fellow workers. If they cannot function financially, then like any other business its byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
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Rover
Apr 8, 2005 10:13:15 GMT 1
Post by rob on Apr 8, 2005 10:13:15 GMT 1
why should the government bail out (again) a company who have less than 3% of the market share in their feild???
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Rover
Apr 8, 2005 10:23:08 GMT 1
Post by Minor on Apr 8, 2005 10:23:08 GMT 1
why should the government bail out (again) a company who have less than 3% of the market share in their feild??? Regardless of market share, why should they bail them out at all ??
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Rover
Apr 8, 2005 10:39:42 GMT 1
Post by skinner on Apr 8, 2005 10:39:42 GMT 1
The implications of this though are very serious.In Shrewsbury alone you could end up with anything up to 500-600 people on the dole due to the fact that most of the work carried out at both STADCO and Salop design is supplying Rover.If rover goes to the wall then both STADCO and salop design won't have enough work for all of there workers.it's a worrying situation for anybody who works at either of the above companies.
I used to work at STADCO and was there 5 years ago when the s### hit the fan with rover last time so I know how worrying it is.I spoke to a couple of lads I know who still work there and they just don't know what the future holds for them.Very worrying esp if you have a family and a mortgage to pay.It's not as if there is an abundance of jobs in the shrewsbury area.Imagine trying to find work after being made redundant along with 500 or so ex colleagues who are all applying for the same jobs.Not nice.
I'm glad I took the redundancy package 5 years ago when there were only a 50 or so volunteers who left.
For the sake of everyone connected with STADCO I hope a solution can be found.
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Apr 8, 2005 10:49:02 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2005 10:49:02 GMT 1
This problem is of course down solely to the bl**dy conservatives, they let everything go to rot and we are still paying the price. Rover should be helped by the taxpayer, or become goverment run. Untill this happens all union members should seriously consider industrial action to help our fellow workers. To blame governments for Rovers downfall is ridiculous funny how Nissan , Toyota seem to manage ok. Rovers problem is they are like a struggling football club with a big squad, wage bill above their means, and of poor quality. If you don't get rid of the deadwood, invest in quality, and produce a quality product with results we all know what will happen. The Rover car ten years ago used to have a 10% share of the market, it now has only 3%, having lost their market shares to the likes of renault, ford, saab. They have paid the price for a poor quality car in the past and a failure to invest in technology to re-address the downward trend. This would have meant hard hitting tough decisions such as downsizing but longterm it would have addressed the continous plight of the company. Unfortunately some Unions, even with the best intentions at heart, fail to grasp the bigger and longterm picture. What has happened is devastating to the local industry and for many local vendors, it will have a severe impact and possibly account for 50% of their business. There only saving grace could be the continued production of the MG, and this would call for drastic measures, but this time it looks very much like it will be the end for Rover.
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Rover
Apr 8, 2005 11:04:59 GMT 1
Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Apr 8, 2005 11:04:59 GMT 1
Has anyone ever actually been to Longbridge?
Decaying 1920's buildings, a real hotchpotch design
German and Japanese car manufacturers had two things in their favour
1) They were building froms cratch 1950 onwards 2) They had redevelopment grants
One of Rover's key difficulties is that it was not flattened by the Luftwaffe, as the destruction of World War Two gave VW, BMW, Mercedes, Toyota, Mazda and Nissan the chance to start again and do things using more modern techniques
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Rover
Apr 8, 2005 11:07:35 GMT 1
Post by blue 44 on Apr 8, 2005 11:07:35 GMT 1
To blame governments for Rovers downfall is ridiculous funny how Nissan , Toyota seem to manage ok. Rovers problem is they are like a struggling football club with a big squad, wage bill above their means, and of poor quality. If you don't get rid of the deadwood, invest in quality, and produce a quality product with results we all know what will happen. The Rover car ten years ago used to have a 10% share of the market, it now has only 3%, having lost their market shares to the likes of renault, ford, saab. They have paid the price for a poor quality car in the past and a failure to invest in technology to re-address the downward trend. This would have meant hard hitting tough decisions such as downsizing but longterm it would have addressed the continous plight of the company. Unfortunately some Unions, even with the best intentions at heart, fail to grasp the bigger and longterm picture. What has happened is devastating to the local industry and for many local vendors, it will have a severe impact and possibly account for 50% of their business. There only saving grace could be the continued production of the MG, and this would call for drastic measures, but this time it looks very much like it will be the end for Rover. Agreed foxie but it couldnt have been worse timing for the government and what Sean says at the top of the thread is true The Birmingham Labour party is in a mess this needs sorting now Very sorry for those who will lose their jobs none of this is their fault (unlike when Linwood closed for example)
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Rover
Apr 8, 2005 11:08:02 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2005 11:08:02 GMT 1
This is likely to have a sizeable impact on the election results in the midlands.
On a side note, the firm I work for have the audit for Rover and it's a big contract for them.
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Rover
Apr 8, 2005 11:16:51 GMT 1
Post by meoleshrew2 on Apr 8, 2005 11:16:51 GMT 1
I had serious doubts when they were taken over by the present people, nothing really new put on the market, no big drive to get new customers, cross fingers that something can be saved to try and put a dent in the job losses, as I was driving round town this morning I looked to see just how many Rovers were about, worked out about one in 10 cars, most bought in the last 4 years, so its possible that there is something worth saving, my Rover is a great car by the way.
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Apr 8, 2005 12:58:57 GMT 1
Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Apr 8, 2005 12:58:57 GMT 1
I wonder what 'Red Robbo' and his mates are doing now? They put a big nail in the coffin with their constant strikes and the crap quality products they turned out - anyone unlucky enough to own a Morris Marina? The current company never had the resources to develop new models and their gradual decline was inevitable. However, I think the Rover 75 is one of the most handsome cars on the road today and if someone can build on that tradition and image something may be salvaged from the wreckage.
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Rover
Apr 8, 2005 13:18:19 GMT 1
Post by Zatapec on Apr 8, 2005 13:18:19 GMT 1
I take the point people are making that if a company can not stand on its own two feet then it should fold but i believe that something of this size and importance deserves special measures. Look beyond Longbridge and its workers, to the many thousands of livelihoods dependant upon a successful Rover company. Irrespective of a looming election the government should have acted sooner and with more comittment to ensure that this company stayed afloat. No other government in europe would have allowed their national car company to disappear without trace. France with no Peugeot? Italy with no Fiat? i don't think so. The EEC may well have objected but that can be sorted out at a later date and in any case not every member nation abides by all the rules all of the time.
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Rover
Apr 8, 2005 14:43:02 GMT 1
Post by SeanBroseley on Apr 8, 2005 14:43:02 GMT 1
However, I think the Rover 75 is one of the most handsome cars on the road today and if someone can build on that tradition and image something may be salvaged from the wreckage. Shanghai Automotive paid Rover £67m to build 75s over in China. The factory is still being built. Interestingly the Rover trademark is still owned by BMW. Bit of a mess.
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Rover
Apr 8, 2005 17:46:01 GMT 1
Post by stadco on Apr 8, 2005 17:46:01 GMT 1
[thanks for the message about stadco bean thair 11 year and this my second time for the boot i have kids and bill so thanks for the support w*n*e*
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Rover
Apr 8, 2005 17:48:25 GMT 1
Post by john on Apr 8, 2005 17:48:25 GMT 1
[thanks for the message about stadco bean thair 11 year and this my second time for the boot i have kids and bill so thanks for the support w*n*e* You started a year after I left Hope everything goes ok
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Rover
Apr 8, 2005 22:02:33 GMT 1
Post by stadco on Apr 8, 2005 22:02:33 GMT 1
cheers jp
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