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Post by wiganshrew2 on Mar 16, 2005 17:25:36 GMT 1
I never thought I'd say it- but I'm off Jose Mourinho!!
Being good-looking and a talented manager doesn't excuse his behaviour with regard to Frisk.
Apparently Frisk is one of those refs who, as one sports writer said "likes to be noticed!" (We've had a few of them, haven't we? The most notable being one Mr Drysdale who played to the "audience" like a Pantomime villain, and really loved being hated!!) However, Frisk didn't deserve that.
It isn't the first time Jose has accused Refs and managers of having conversations at Half-time, either!
Jose is a BAD bad loser! There's bad losers- and perhaps a bad loser is more determined to be a winner- but there's BAD bad losers. And he's one.
He'll never admit that he's overstepped the mark; now he's threatening legal action.
I'm disappointed! I do admire him- but he really needs to modify his behaviour.
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Post by g*** on Mar 16, 2005 17:53:14 GMT 1
Have you just noticed that he is an ignorant git?
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Post by Exkeeper on Mar 17, 2005 10:39:24 GMT 1
In all the things he does, I suspect he is is just trying to be like Fergie. Next time Chelski lose, I bet he'll say that the shirts were the wrong colour.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2005 11:33:00 GMT 1
Jose makes the premiership interesting.
Jose has a right to be arrogant - he's one of the best maangers in the world.
I think the guy's awesome!
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Post by PorkyShrew on Mar 17, 2005 11:46:46 GMT 1
Jose makes the premiership interesting. Jose has a right to be arrogant - he's one of the best maangers in the world. I think the guy's awesome! totally agree, the only thing making me look at the prem atm, he has replace ranieri (sp?), he was a media legend and so will mourino
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Post by Flixton_shrew on Mar 17, 2005 11:47:15 GMT 1
Jose can do what he wants - the biggest transfer budget and the best squad in this country - he's heading for the premiership title and breaking many records along the way. If someone does something he doesn't agree with, then Jose will make sure they know about it. I guess he's in a position to do this with all the roubles he's got to play with.....
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Mar 17, 2005 11:47:38 GMT 1
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Post by Plywood on Mar 17, 2005 11:48:56 GMT 1
Jose's the best thing in the Premiership. A breathe of fresh air.
Frisk needed to be brought down a peg or two. And I can't wait until Jose gets stuck into some of the pompous officials over here too.
Jose post-match (when he was speaking to the press!) was far more interesting and watchable than the cliche-spouting sh!te we get from 99 per cent of other managers.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 17, 2005 11:56:14 GMT 1
I think he's top...great to have him here in England... I mean he can't do owt about fans having a pop and threatening a ref. He was critical of the refs performance in Barca but he is not the only manager to criticise refs is he? To be fair the sending of in the first leg was harsh and turned the game big time in favour of the home side...no excuses but he's no worse than many others... As for him trying to be like Ferguson, don't see it meself. He isn't trying to be like anyone else, he doesn't need to be...I've never seen a manager with so much belief in his own abilities. Its been very amusing to see Wenger and Ferguson continue their bickering throughout the season only to forget about Jose and Chelsea who have indeed risen above it all...to top spot.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2005 14:51:31 GMT 1
I think he's top...great to have him here in England... I mean he can't do owt about fans having a pop and threatening a ref. He was critical of the refs performance in Barca but he is not the only manager to criticise refs is he? To be fair the sending of in the first leg was harsh and turned the game big time in favour of the home side...no excuses but he's no worse than many others... As for him trying to be like Ferguson, don't see it meself. He isn't trying to be like anyone else, he doesn't need to be...I've never seen a manager with so much belief in his own abilities. Its been very amusing to see Wenger and Ferguson continue their bickering throughout the season only to forget about Jose and Chelsea who have indeed risen above it all...to top spot. Top post Stutty
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Post by aleix on Mar 17, 2005 15:14:51 GMT 1
You know why he's such an impact to England? Because in England and nowhere else there's political correctness.
Here managers go way OTT in press conferences and say stuff that you would never dream of saying in England. In England you're always (or nearly always, with few exceptions) polite and respectuous.
You heard Aragonés! Massive media impact in England but, what about in Spain? No-one could give a **** about that!!! They think English people and press go over the top and are over-reacting.
So it's not a problem of personality it's a problem of culture.
And, BTW, I think Mourinho is a legend in the making ;D
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Post by OldGit on Mar 17, 2005 15:17:50 GMT 1
What annoys me, is that here is a club with unlimited resources that are trying to be successful by the power of the wallet. Why can't they use the money to benefit the English game, instead of ploughing it into the pockets of mainly foreigners? Imagine what Moyes, Curbishley or McClaren could do at the club? At least when Man U won the treble, they featured a team of predominantly British players, if Chelski win the Premiership, it will be with perhaps 2 regular English players in their line up, Lampard and Terry, with guest appearances by Cole.
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Post by aleix on Mar 17, 2005 15:26:39 GMT 1
If he doesn't win either Prem or CL then he's an idiot.
But if these managers you mentioned had the money Mourinho has they wouldn't buy the England lineup. They'd buy the same old foreigners.
Because, let's face it, if Chelsea want a centre half they're not gonna go and spend 30m and buy Rio Ferdinand or 20m and buy Ledley King. They'll get Carvalho for half that so that they cand spend more money on other star players. And Carvalho will do the job the same as Rio will.
I'm not defending Chelsea or Mourinho, I'm just saying that anyone in Mourinho's position would do the same.
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Post by telfordSHREWS on Mar 17, 2005 15:27:17 GMT 1
I like him.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2005 15:32:40 GMT 1
Glen Johnson 18 appearances Frank Lampard 45 appearances Joe Cole 32 appearances Wayne Bridge 25 appearances Scott Parker 11 appearances John Terry 42 appearances
and then there is there is Damien Duff ( ok, he's Irish) 41 appearances
Havn't Parker and Bridge been injured this season, therefore limiting their appearances? Not sure about Glen Johnson though.
If the papers are to be believed then next season Gerrard will also be joining.
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Post by peterjones1 on Mar 17, 2005 15:35:15 GMT 1
What annoys me, is that here is a club with unlimited resources that are trying to be successful by the power of the wallet. Why can't they use the money to benefit the English game, instead of ploughing it into the pockets of mainly foreigners? Imagine what Moyes, Curbishley or McClaren could do at the club? At least when Man U won the treble, they featured a team of predominantly British players, if Chelski win the Premiership, it will be with perhaps 2 regular English players in their line up, Lampard and Terry, with guest appearances by Cole. To be fair, why should Mourinho care about investing in the future of English football? Until the FA/FIFA/UEFA or whoever put a clear sanction on the number of overseas players that can be used, Mourinho has every right to invest in the player he sees fit to improve his squad and challenge for honours both domestically and on the continent, be they English or not. Mourinho has chosen the players he wished to invest in and they have rewarded his judgment big time. Plus I don't believe Chelsea have a Youth Academy to the scale of the Man Utd one which aided their treble winning feat in 1999, and aslong as Chelsea keep picking up silverware I don't see why Mourinho or Abramovich would see that as an issue.
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Post by OldGit on Mar 17, 2005 15:39:45 GMT 1
My case exactly - its about success, literally "at any cost". What other club could sustain debts of over £80 million and not even blink?
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Post by True_Shrew on Mar 17, 2005 15:40:32 GMT 1
He's a proper wind-up merchant and the press have fallen for him hook, line and sinker. Let's face it, he laughs in the face of the british press, he gives them no respect all they can do is slate anything he does- a case of the green eyed monster.
The face of football has changed at the top end, money breeds power which breeds success which breeds top managers. If Real Madrid won the CL this year no-one would care if they spent 'x' on a player, if Chelsea win it then then the press will have a field day saying 'only money won him that title'.
Frisk is an attention grabber anyway, any money he'll be back within a year.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 17, 2005 15:40:38 GMT 1
What annoys me, is that here is a club with unlimited resources that are trying to be successful by the power of the wallet. Always make me chuckle that argument...yeah so Chelsea have spent a fair bit of money...so have Manchester and so have Arsenal and so have Liverpool int they? Indeed most teams with aspirations of winning the Champions League do so...how much did Manchester pay for Nistelrooy, how much did they pay for Rooney? Yet even with the millions spent by other clubs you don't get this 'buying success' or 'trying to be successful by the power of the wallet' levelled at anyone else, just Chelsea... What's to say Jose wouldn't have won sommat with Chelsea without the mega millions, he did it at Porto with considerably less funds? I think using the money spent at Chelsea as the main reason as to why they are doing so well is a disservice to the management and players at the club...money doesn't always mean success...helps mind but its not a guarantee... My point is...every single club in the world looks to be successful by the power of the wallet...
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Post by OldGit on Mar 17, 2005 16:03:30 GMT 1
The difference being that Man U are making money, Arsenal are living within a financial plan that allows them to build their new ground, Liverpool are desperately trying to restructure their finances to stay competitive - all have excellent youth academies. Chelsea were over £70 million in debt when Abramovich bought out Bates, and are now running such a huge wage bill that they are losing money at an astronomic rate (their wage bill went up by 81% in 2004 compared to 2003). If market forces were at work, they would be with Leeds. And would Mourinho have left Porto for that?
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 17, 2005 16:11:43 GMT 1
If market forces are at work? How many clubs from the 92 do you think make a profit or break even though the money the club itself generates?
If you're buying success then surely it doesn't matter where the money comes from? I'm sure the main grudge of folk is the money thats spent...not where that money is coming from?
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Post by OldGit on Mar 17, 2005 16:46:21 GMT 1
You are right, football finances are in a complete mess. My concern is that when the top of the pyramid is based on a complete shell, funded by a mega-rich Oligarch, it makes even the farce that is "Sky" funding seem trivial.
Sooner or later, Abramovich will go and then Chelsea will collapse. The fame he has brought to the club will not be matched by the fortune. Mourinho and the players will have made their millions and will go in search of the next bank roll. All of the other "top clubs" who have had their finances stretched by trying to compete with Chelsea will be left saddled with huge wage bills and contracts they can't get out of. And then what?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2005 16:48:59 GMT 1
They will all go bankrupt or do a Leeds. I don't really care about the 'big boys'. So long as STFC are managed properly then in the long run we will benefit from that.
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Post by wiganshrew2 on Mar 17, 2005 20:26:38 GMT 1
You know why he's such an impact to England? Because in England and nowhere else there's political correctness. Here managers go way OTT in press conferences and say stuff that you would never dream of saying in England. In England you're always (or nearly always, with few exceptions) polite and respectuous. You heard Aragonés! Massive media impact in England but, what about in Spain? No-one could give a **** about that!!! They think English people and press go over the top and are over-reacting. So it's not a problem of personality it's a problem of culture. And, BTW, I think Mourinho is a legend in the making ;D I agree about the culture! You are quite correct. We have a friend who's Portuguese (married and settled in England) and she is very outspoken and upfront and certainly has never been the "little woman" in her marriage. She says that Portugese women have more self esteem than English women. She was a teacher (French/Spanish/Portugese) and the Headmistress used to draft her in to deal with very difficult students- because she could. Yet she doesn't shout, she's just VERY direct, and very sharp. Nobody could fool her. It may well be culture. Modesty and playing down their abilities are English characteristics- not Portugese!! GOOD!!! You've given me a reason for liking Jose Mourinho again!!! Perhaps I was annoyed with him for giving the press ammunition. (Just call me Mrs. Fickle!! )
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Post by aleix on Mar 17, 2005 20:46:47 GMT 1
I agree about the culture! You are quite correct. We have a friend who's Portuguese (married and settled in England) and she is very outspoken and upfront and certainly has never been the "little woman" in her marriage. She says that Portugese women have more self esteem than English women. She was a teacher (French/Spanish/Portugese) and the Headmistress used to draft her in to deal with very difficult students- because she could. Yet she doesn't shout, she's just VERY direct, and very sharp. Nobody could fool her. It may well be culture. Modesty and playing down their abilities are English characteristics- not Portugese!! GOOD!!! You've given me a reason for liking Jose Mourinho again!!! Perhaps I was annoyed with him for giving the press ammunition. (Just call me Mrs. Fickle!! ) And another thing: British press are worse than Spanish press, much worse. In Spain the press ask for the sacking of the manager, in England they sack the manager! So take no notice of the English press except if the journalist's name is Henry Winter. As for Frisk, he's a wannabe playboy. And as someone cleverly said on this thread, he'll be back at the slightest sniff of cash. Mourinho has come from nothing and he's achieving a hell of a lot. This guy deserves my respect.
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Post by Dale on Mar 18, 2005 1:21:35 GMT 1
I thought Claudio Ranieri was irreplaceable, but Mourinho is something else ;D I think he's the best thing to happen to the Premiership for a long time, he's made the Premiership, IMO, interesting again, only because we are likely to see a new Premiership winner this season, it'll probably get boring after Chelsea have won five titles in a row
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2005 10:11:52 GMT 1
It'd be great to see Chelsea do a Leeds.
I'd absolutely love it.
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Post by john on Mar 18, 2005 10:39:17 GMT 1
He is so over hyped its unbelievable.
If he hadnt of come over here to coach then we wouldnt be having this thread, hardly anyone outside of Portugal knew who he was, the same with Wenger when he came here from France. He courts controversy like its running out of fashion. he looks likes someone who says "I dont give a dam, I/we have money so fine me I dont care"
I would love to see what sort of manager he would be if he was at a club like Bolton or West Brom.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2005 10:52:53 GMT 1
I would love to see what sort of manager he would be if he was at a club like Bolton or West Brom. Porto didn't spend their way to sucess and Jose managed to win the Champions league with them
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2005 11:17:02 GMT 1
I would love to see what sort of manager he would be if he was at a club like Bolton or West Brom. The whole point is that he is at the top because he has already proven himself with the likes of Porto etc before.
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