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Post by Cynical Shrew on Mar 14, 2005 20:52:51 GMT 1
Mnay a true word is spoken in a pathetic attempt at lib-big reductio ad absurdum argument.
Speaking ss a late twenty-something graduate with a young family the tax burden allied to high property prices is absolutely crippling.
It is clear to anyone in our position that our generation is far worse off than our parents', and most probably our grandparents when you are looking at real "quality of life". Even when you are settled in your "good area" with "low crime", "good schools" and all the other middle-class euphanisms for no immigrants/scallies, you are constantly looking over your shoulder lest your neighbourhood change.
The only benefits of modern life are crap consumable tat, foreign holidays, cars etc. But its a fat lot of good to young English unable to afford a house or family until their thirties, and with mothers forced to return to work and farm out their children to childcare. Forgo the consumerist tat, and live (materially) like your grandparents, then it is possible to maintain normal family life (just!), but you're still stuck in modern day high crime Britain.
Its the realisation of this situation that makes one politically aware!
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Post by Cynical Shrew on Mar 14, 2005 21:01:16 GMT 1
Yes mate. Very much so. And to illustrate my ignorance and stupidity further, yes, i loved the specials, selecter, the beat ect, yet walked round with a nazi badge on the arm of my jacket Thank God i grew up [Psychoanalyst] Ahh I zink I see zer problem here. All liberal-bigots adopt zere views as a reaktion to childhood or adolescent trauma. So, you feel zer need to be vocally "anti-vacist" und make personal attaks on patriotic Englishmen az a way of overcompenzating for wearing a svastika as a youth. I beleve we established on ein earlier thread zat Kris J haz feelings of sexual inadequacy compared to virlie yung blacks. Fascinating... [/Psychoanalyst]
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Post by Salop_Ian on Mar 14, 2005 21:24:15 GMT 1
Its the realisation of this situation that makes one politically aware! ...but not neccessarily come to the right conclusions!
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Post by Cynical Shrew on Mar 14, 2005 21:30:27 GMT 1
...but not neccessarily come to the right conclusions! Sadly, too true. Many people see 'Tories' or 'The Daily Mail' as convenient soft targets to blame for the ills of the world. (OK the pathetically lib-big cowed Tories are partly to blame, but not in the way most kneejerk lib big moaners think)
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Post by meoleshrew2 on Mar 14, 2005 21:32:14 GMT 1
Sadly, too true. Many people see 'Tories' or 'The Daily Mail' as convenient soft targets to blame for the ills of the world. (OK the pathetically lib-big cowed Tories are partly to blame, but not in the way most kneejerk lib big moaners think) you really should be on the tele.
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Post by rob on Mar 14, 2005 21:52:47 GMT 1
you seem to be a) the only biggot here
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b) the only one moaning
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Post by chrisj on Mar 14, 2005 22:21:58 GMT 1
[Psychoanalyst] Ahh I zink I see zer problem here. All liberal-bigots adopt zere views as a reaktion to childhood or adolescent trauma. So, you feel zer need to be vocally "anti-vacist" und make personal attaks on patriotic Englishmen az a way of overcompenzating for wearing a svastika as a youth. I beleve we established on ein earlier thread zat Kris J haz feelings of sexual inadequacy compared to virlie yung blacks. Fascinating... [/Psychoanalyst] Very good. You are very clever and funny. Now are you going to respond to what I wrote? *Doesn't bother holding breath*
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Post by jamo on Mar 14, 2005 22:23:15 GMT 1
Speaking ss a late twenty-something graduate with a young family the tax burden allied to high property prices is absolutely crippling. . ! You're a parent !!!! ....................****, someone call social services.
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Post by Cynical Shrew on Mar 14, 2005 22:36:41 GMT 1
He never does answer questions directly, just spouts more bile. You'll notice that he always puts the word racism in parenthesis, as though to cast doubt on its existence. He claims he's not a racist in the accepted sense, but accepts that label only in that it gets attached to one who 'wishes to defend his culture', whatever the **** that is. Yet he'll never give a simple direct answer to you if you ask him to define an Englishman or English culture. He'll weasel around it because he can't bring himself to admit anyone with a black skin could be truly English, no matter how long they, or their family have lived here; yet he can't proclaim this belief publicly because it undermines his pretence at a 'reasonable' stance and shows him for the scum he truly is. In other words he hasn't even the bottle to stand up for his vicious little principles - maybe deep down he knows they define him as a sad, venomous little individual, but he just can't help it? Cynical, I'll speak to you directly; I have no expectation you'll hear me, but I'm going to make the gesture anyway. Let go of this cr@p. There is another way to live. I'm ashamed to admit that many years ago, I used to be a bit like you until I saw where it all lead back to. That's how I know all about you and your type - you were my type until I finally got around to looking through the propaganda and the lies and the conspiracy theories and realised there is not a shred of intellectual validity or consistency to any of it. I'll clue you in: Elvis really is dead; people don't get kidknapped by UFOs, and racism is just wrong. It's really nice not carrying all that hate about. Save it for the deserving. I assume you mean this epic piece of projection. My political views are no secret to those who know me, and I'm quite prepared to debate and justify them with anyone who might be interested. My affilliations I have to be rather more careful about. A sad state of affairs but with where I work and current family / financial obligations etc. etc. I can't be too open lest the next generation of English are living on the street. For this reason I am rather wary of posting under my real name on the internet as I'm sure you'll understand. I also won't be standing as a BNP candidate at the GE but I'l do what I can to help and who knows in the future...
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Post by chrisj on Mar 14, 2005 22:45:53 GMT 1
I assume you mean this epic piece of projection. My political views are no secret to those who know me, and I'm quite prepared to debate and justify them with anyone who might be interested. My affilliations I have to be rather more careful about. A sad state of affairs but with where I work and current family / financial obligations etc. etc. I can't be too open lest the next generation of English are living on the street. For this reason I am rather wary of posting under my real name on the internet as I'm sure you'll understand. I also won't be standing as a BNP candidate at the GE but I'l do what I can to help and who knows in the future... Still weaselling then? Still no bottle? Answer me if you can.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2005 22:51:54 GMT 1
I also won't be standing as a BNP candidate at the GE but I'l do what I can to help Perfect. You have in the past utterly refused to be linked with the BNP. But now you have opened up another line of questioning.
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Post by Cynical Shrew on Mar 14, 2005 22:53:57 GMT 1
Still weaselling then? Still no bottle? Answer me if you can. What was your question?
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Post by Cynical Shrew on Mar 14, 2005 22:54:39 GMT 1
Perfect. You have in the past utterly refused to be linked with the BNP. But now you have opened up another line of questioning. I have?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2005 22:58:07 GMT 1
Ok, here's a start Cynical (and I'm not throwing any abuse - just interested in your answers) * How much faith do you have in the two leaders of the BNP? * Do you agree or disagree that the BNP's rhetoric leads directly to racial violence * What are your views on racial attacks (by people of any colour) * How much are you enjoying your life. I mean, on a day to day basis, right now? Cheers
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Post by chrisj on Mar 14, 2005 23:11:09 GMT 1
Define 'English'. Define 'Englishman'. Define 'English culture'. (So we know what to defend.) I'm still waiting for you to respond to my question, posed some weeks ago and conveniently ignored. I'll simplify it: How long ago did our ancestors have to have come to these shores for you to accept their descendants as authentically British?
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Post by Cynical Shrew on Mar 14, 2005 23:13:04 GMT 1
Ok, here's a start Cynical (and I'm not throwing any abuse - just interested in your answers) * How much faith do you have in the two leaders of the BNP? * Do you agree or disagree that the BNP's rhetoric leads directly to racial violence * What are your views on racial attacks (by people of any colour) * How much are you enjoying your life. I mean, on a day to day basis, right now? Cheers These are on the level of that old chestnut "When did you stop beating your wife?" What do you expect the answers an articulate and intelligent person would give to the second and third ones.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Mar 14, 2005 23:15:01 GMT 1
Can I add, do you accept the holocaust happened?
You have failed to respond the last 2 times I asked.
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Post by Cynical Shrew on Mar 14, 2005 23:15:26 GMT 1
Define 'English'. Define 'Englishman'. Those who describe themself without qualification as Englishmen, and would be seen as English without qualification by all other Englishmen.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2005 23:19:34 GMT 1
These are on the level of that old chestnut "When did you stop beating your wife?" What do you expect the answers an articulate and intelligent person would give to the second and third ones. An articulate and intelligent person would have managed to make your second sentence read correctly. Ok, rephrase the questions Bamber, then comment upon them. And at least answer Question 3, because I feel you're genuinely upset about all of this. Especially the fact that the Englishmen you are seeking a better future for (and no doubt their children too....) don't seem that keen on your views. Bet self-determination really p**sed you off eh?
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Post by Cynical Shrew on Mar 14, 2005 23:19:38 GMT 1
Can I add, do you accept the holocaust happened? You have failed to respond the last 2 times I asked. Probably because the subject is utterly boring to me. What has the Shoa got to do with the race-replacement of whites in European countries in the twenty-first century?* I suppose their are paralells with the treatment of Jews in 1930s Germany with that of whites in 21st centuty Britain. * (OK - We all know it is so the lib-big establishment can point to something that happened in a unique set of circumstances in a foreign country long before I was born and say "Feel guilty white man! This is what happens if you stand up for yourself"
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Post by Cynical Shrew on Mar 14, 2005 23:22:08 GMT 1
An articulate and intelligent person would have managed to make your second sentence read correctly. Ok, rephrase the questions Bamber, then comment upon them. And at least answer Question 3, because I feel you're genuinely upset about all of this. Especially the fact that the Englishmen you are seeking a better future for (and no doubt their children too....) don't seem that keen on your views. Bet self-determination really p**sed you off eh? I'm lost now What are you on about?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2005 23:28:56 GMT 1
I'm lost now What are you on about? Well the first sentence was asking you to restructure your previous post to make it scan. My second sentence was asking you again for answers on my questions. My third was stating that whilst the negative feedback to your opinions on here may seem to you to be something of 'the tyranny of the majority' it must also be a little disheartening? PS I was also pleased to get in a quote from what must be one of your least favourite political philosophers of the 19th Century.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Mar 14, 2005 23:30:55 GMT 1
Probably because the subject is utterly boring to me. What has the Shoa got to do with the race-replacement of whites in European countries in the twenty-first century?* I suppose their are paralells with the treatment of Jews in 1930s Germany with that of whites in 21st centuty Britain. A simple yes or no will do - then I'll stop boring you. * (OK - We all know it is so the lib-big establishment can point to something that happened in a unique set of circumstances in a foreign country long before I was born and say "Feel guilty white man! This is what happens if you stand up for yourself"
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Post by Cynical Shrew on Mar 14, 2005 23:34:43 GMT 1
Well the first sentence was asking you to restructure your previous post to make it scan. My second sentence was asking you again for answers on my questions. My third was stating that whilst the negative feedback to your opinions on here may seem to you to be something of 'the tyranny of the majority' it must also be a little disheartening? PS I was also pleased to get in a quote from what must be one of your least favourite political philosophers of the 19th Century. I can't edit. I shall pander to you this once. What answers would you expect an articulate and intelligent person to give to your second and third questions?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2005 23:38:04 GMT 1
I can't edit. I shall pander to you this once. What answers would you expect an articulate and intelligent person to give to your second and third questions? Thank you. And also for answering my question with a question. It helps keep the conversation to a minimum and ensures an early night.
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Post by MartinB on Mar 15, 2005 8:30:14 GMT 1
Coward Shrew you would be able to edit if you registered as a user. Oh, I forgot you are to much of a coward for that. As usual with people with views like yours you have to hid behind something.
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Post by chrisj on Mar 15, 2005 19:02:09 GMT 1
Those who describe themself without qualification as Englishmen, and would be seen as English without qualification by all other Englishmen. So no matter what your family origins, what colour your skin, if you wish to be English, you are? Great! Ah, but wait, there's a sting in the tail - you have to be accepted by all other Englishmen. So the BNP gets a veto... wonder who they'll let in? At least you've admitted to a definition of Englishness based on skin colour. And there was us thinking you were just out to defend your culture. (Sorry, sarky again, I know how it hurts your feelings poor lamb. Ooops, there I go again...) So, I wonder how many other members of this board feel they would not be accepted as English by Cynical's definition? (Assuming similar conditions apply, also, how many are no longer British?)
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Post by Im an alien on Mar 15, 2005 19:34:58 GMT 1
So then by CS interpretation i wouldn't be English despite the fact my family name can be traced back to the Magna Carta, is considered a very English family name and is one of the oldest English family names in the country etc .. because my through my stupid mother I am 1/4 Polish Jew.
Oh well, I'd best pick up sticks and move to Wales...
bloody eejit, You may talk with fancy words, but your argument is flawed, has failed in practice and is otherwise known as racist.
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Post by chrisj on Mar 15, 2005 22:40:49 GMT 1
So then by CS interpretation i wouldn't be English despite the fact my family name can be traced back to the Magna Carta, is considered a very English family name and is one of the oldest English family names in the country You big fibber! 'Alien' is not an old English name.
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Post by Salop_Ian on Mar 17, 2005 20:04:53 GMT 1
To be considered "English" without qualification I'd expect somebody to accept a few of our nation's great traditions - democracy, fair-play, tolerance and a defence of human rights regardless of the colour of anyone's skin.
In which case cynical, old boy, you don't make the cut as far as I'm concerned. As under your definition of Englishness you have to be accepted by all other Englishmen without qualification, unfortunately without my vote you're on a very sticky wicket.
Sorry, old chap, but I don't make the rules!
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