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Post by Cynical Shrew on Mar 12, 2005 23:18:05 GMT 1
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I'm utterly non-plussed by your sudden mention of Basil D'Oliveria into a discussion of Fever Pitch.
The Guardian is the Bible of liberal bigots everywhere, although the rest of mainstream print media is also irredeemably PeeCee. Quite what D'Oliveria has to do with it I don't know, the "affair" was before I was born, but (like Tony Greig, Allan Lamb, Robin Smith etc.) he should not have player for England, being a South African.
I agree that Arlott, as a liberal-bigot, has had a very small part in destroying the sort of place I would like to live, that is an England populated by Englishmen. The part of England where I grew up was (and still is) like that. However it is harsh to place too much blame on a man who mainly wrote and commentated on cricket.
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Post by Cynical Shrew on Mar 12, 2005 23:20:13 GMT 1
I'm sorry, just not true. They had a full and comprehensive football coverage from at least 1980 onwards. <snip!> Under the heading of errr.... "soccer".
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Post by Cynical Shrew on Mar 12, 2005 23:32:10 GMT 1
I think its poor - although he speaks about watching lower league football he is quite dismissive of it and i seem to remember he has a "so what?" attitude to smaller clubs struggling to stay afloat. This was the book's worst point, although a typical attitude on would expect a "socialist" such as Hornby to adopt. I think it points to a wider malaise of the lib-bigs world-view. Hornby was a self-hating middle-class home counties suburbanite desperate to be hip and metropolitain, hence he supported Arsenal. When he goes to watch his local club (Reading) play the Arse in a cup tie, he is contempous of the rustic accents and lack of sophistication of the Royals fan's, happy to cheer on their town's team and not make too big a deal of it. That is how the lib-bigs view us, ordinary English people who are happy with our "dull" ordinariness. They are filled with self-hating so they can not understand how we are content amongst ourselves, without the exciting world of multiracialism, multiculturalism and diversity. Hornby said of his support of the Arse - why he became a mockney football fan - that everyone "wishes they were black, or something other than boringly English". Most people don't, but its the twisted people who do that are in power.
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Post by Cynical Shrew on Mar 12, 2005 23:35:18 GMT 1
I thought the book was great personally. I also enjoyed 'About a boy' too. His novels were well written and Hornby has a very fluid prose style. There is also much (un)intentional humour into the shallowness of lib-bigs beliefs (will they really not entertain "Tories" in the house?) However, I found the characters hard to relate to and - as Morrissey put it - his writing "says nothing to me about my life".
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2005 23:43:41 GMT 1
With the greatest of respect Cynical, how many Salop games do you attend?
You quite often criticise things about STFC, like the ground move etc, but never do anything bar moan about them.
How can you criticise Hornby when in fact you are doing nothing to support the football club you supposedly 'support' apart from moaning about it on a 'net messageboard.
Seems a little contradictory to me owd lad.
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Post by rob on Mar 12, 2005 23:51:23 GMT 1
deleate this twit.
I consider myself to be liberal and have been against deleating his cr@p in the past, but i find some of what he's written completely offensive
If reading the guardian makes me a liberal biggot what does reading the Daily Mail make you???
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Post by Cynical Shrew on Mar 12, 2005 23:57:25 GMT 1
deleate this twit. I consider myself to be liberal and have been against deleating his cr@p in the past, but i find some of what he's written completely offensive Hard Cheese. Deak with it. I can't turn on the television or read the paper or walk down the street without seeing something I find really offensive. I don't read the Mail. If I did I'd imagine it would make me a BC1 female aged 25-55 if advertisers are to be believed.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2005 23:58:53 GMT 1
I sometimes read the Mail Rob, I don't understand all these bulls**t generalizations.
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Post by Cynical Shrew on Mar 12, 2005 23:59:30 GMT 1
no, just half my family supported the club and they played such fantastic football during the eighties "when i were a lad"! Also so my first ever footie match at anfield, 1983 vs spurs, ray clemence first trip back to the kop. the red won 3-0. If CyprusShrew did come from Liverpool he would know that the correct name for the team that plays (admittedly in red) at Anfield is "The s**te".
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Post by peterjones1 on Mar 13, 2005 0:03:34 GMT 1
You didn't answer Ants question Cynical Shrew.
And I too read the Guardian, and I don't feel I am bigoted in any way, shape or form.
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Post by MeoleShrew NLI on Mar 13, 2005 0:20:38 GMT 1
deleate this twit. I consider myself to be liberal and have been against deleating his cr@p in the past, but i find some of what he's written completely offensive If reading the guardian makes me a liberal biggot what does reading the Daily Mail make you??? I wish this persons place of work would root him out, he is a spineless bigot, who can do no better than spew his foul beliefs via a keyboard.
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Post by scooter on Mar 13, 2005 0:53:07 GMT 1
If you didn't all rise to the bait, he might go away
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Post by rob on Mar 13, 2005 1:37:38 GMT 1
What do I have against the Mail? Can't stand the outragous/verging on xenophobic headlines. The way it classes itself as a "real" paper onlike the tabloids, yet 2/3 pages in its doing big sod off glossy interviews with Mr X who survived cancer, or Mrs Z who did XYZ and then 15 pages in you'l have a tiny article on the demise of country Xs economy. The way it constantly whinges about the premadona footballers who ruin the game, about the game of football that is now bedeviled by greed etc... before dedicating a stupid amount of pages to the premier$hite. What articles it does have are stupidly and obviously biased. It can't praise a member of Labour or the Lib Dems or even a piece of their policy without first savaging either leader. and it claims to to represent middle england and the views of the middle classes, yet this doesnt appear to be the case. It is a "sister" paper of the Daily Express, a paper owned by a racist, nasty and biggotted man by the name of Richard Desmond, the man who frogmarched around his boardroom and has been pulled up for making rather inflamitary remarks. According to the Daily mail, if immagration becomes any more lax, any chance I head of continuing my middle class life after uni will be ruined by the burdon that i will face in increased taxes to py for the costs of the health tourist,which I'm lead to believe makes up a large propotion of immigrants, and those that aren't health tourists are here to rape my girlfriend, rob my house and steal my job...
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Post by aleix on Mar 13, 2005 1:44:47 GMT 1
Top post rob, I agree with everything.
Last summer The Mail was the only British paper I could buy and some of it is just sick.
They go way OTT on immigration, all they need to say now is "more black and arab barstewards come into the country, let's do a Hitler and get rid of them!" - I wouldn't be surprsed.
The stories of particular people who have "achieved" something are so taken out of proportion too!!! i.e:
Headline:
HOW I SURVIVED FINGERNAIL CANCER
and in small print
thousands of iraqis die in blast - good, hahaha
boycott that paper please!!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2005 1:50:59 GMT 1
"what does reading the Daily Mail make you"
Just seems that that post emplys that because somebody might occassionally read the paper that they believe and adhere to everything the paper supposedly stands for? As I occassionally read it would that make me xenophobic? I'd love to know...
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Post by aleix on Mar 13, 2005 1:53:49 GMT 1
"what does reading the Daily Mail make you" Just seems that that post emplys that because somebody might occassionally read the paper that they believe and adhere to everything the paper supposedly stands for? As I occassionally read it would that make me xenophobic? I'd love to know... First of all it doesn't make you xenophobic. Some ideas of the paper are.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2005 2:00:50 GMT 1
Good, i'm glad. The one thing I hate is generalizations. I only read the Mail because I like the cartoon strips, their horse racing guide (though the tips are better in the Sun ) and that strange question and answer section (can't remember its name).
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Post by aleix on Mar 13, 2005 2:03:14 GMT 1
But you have to admit its a rag
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Post by peterjones1 on Mar 13, 2005 2:13:06 GMT 1
Good, i'm glad. The one thing I hate is generalizations. I only read the Mail because I like the cartoon strips, their horse racing guide (though the tips are better in the Sun ) and that strange question and answer section (can't remember its name). To be fair Craig, Cynical implied he is a regular reader of the Mail so I guess that's what Rob was getting at...like you I glance through it on occasion (my nan reads it and fits all the stereotypes Rob mentioned ) but don't consider myself xenophobic...but some of the content of that paper is genuinely disgusting.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2005 2:14:08 GMT 1
Maybe
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2005 2:17:00 GMT 1
To be fair Craig, Cynical implied he is a regular reader of the Mail so I guess that's what Rob was getting at...like you I glance through it on occasion (my nan reads it and fits all the stereotypes Rob mentioned ) but don't consider myself xenophobic...but some of the content of that paper is genuinely disgusting. I hadn't noticed mate, but Cynical did say a couple of threads ago that he doesn't read the Mail. And I agee, that Linda Lee Potter woman's column is truely horrendous ;D
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2005 2:32:57 GMT 1
Fair play tho the film was p**s poor-plus I hate London teams
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Post by harmerhillshrew on Mar 13, 2005 10:51:43 GMT 1
HarmerHillShrew I'm utterly non-plussed by your sudden mention of Basil D'Oliveria into a discussion of Fever Pitch. The Guardian is the Bible of liberal bigots everywhere, although the rest of mainstream print media is also irredeemably PeeCee. Quite what D'Oliveria has to do with it I don't know, the "affair" was before I was born, but (like Tony Greig, Allan Lamb, Robin Smith etc.) he should not have player for England, being a South African. I agree that Arlott, as a liberal-bigot, has had a very small part in destroying the sort of place I would like to live, that is an England populated by Englishmen. The part of England where I grew up was (and still is) like that. However it is harsh to place too much blame on a man who mainly wrote and commentated on cricket. I was making a connection as to why you hated the Guardian so much. The fact that John Arlott, Guardian Cricket writer, brought over Basil D'olivera, which in turn bought the aparthid goverment of SA into the view for a wider public, which then led to its downfall. You would have loved SA in the sixties and you know it. England is never going to be how you want it neither. Why are you not standing as BNP canidate for Shrewsbury in this years General Election. I will tell you why, because it would mean getting out and about and speaking what you believe. You cannot do that because you are a coward of the biggest sort. As for attending games at the Meadow I doubt he has been for years, as he never joins in on a thread discussing tactics or performance of the side. In fact he knows very little about football full stop as proved in a post about Kevin Campball playing for Everton, three weeks after he signed for WBA. Regarding the Daily Mail, dont ever forget this is the paper that supported Oswald Moseleys Blackshirts in the 1930s, the British Nazis. One of Moseleys right hand men was from a prominent Shrewsbury family. His son and grandson are still about the town and their pictures appear in the Star quite often through there work. I suspect CS is the illegitimate son that was banished to the North West of England.
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Post by peterjones1 on Mar 13, 2005 11:18:24 GMT 1
And I agee, that Linda Lee Potter woman's column is truely horrendous ;D I struggle to think of a post I've agreed with more strongly
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Post by jamo on Mar 13, 2005 11:47:51 GMT 1
And I agee, that Linda Lee Potter woman's column is truely horrendous ;D Not anymore it isn't. She's dead.
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Post by pawlo on Mar 13, 2005 11:48:52 GMT 1
Why are you not standing as BNP canidate for Shrewsbury in this years General Election. I. Maybe he/she is. Great post by the way HHS
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Post by chrisj on Mar 13, 2005 13:04:59 GMT 1
You didn't answer Ants question Cynical Shrew. He never does answer questions directly, just spouts more bile. You'll notice that he always puts the word racism in parenthesis, as though to cast doubt on its existence. He claims he's not a racist in the accepted sense, but accepts that label only in that it gets attached to one who 'wishes to defend his culture', whatever the **** that is. Yet he'll never give a simple direct answer to you if you ask him to define an Englishman or English culture. He'll weasel around it because he can't bring himself to admit anyone with a black skin could be truly English, no matter how long they, or their family have lived here; yet he can't proclaim this belief publicly because it undermines his pretence at a 'reasonable' stance and shows him for the scum he truly is. In other words he hasn't even the bottle to stand up for his vicious little principles - maybe deep down he knows they define him as a sad, venomous little individual, but he just can't help it? Cynical, I'll speak to you directly; I have no expectation you'll hear me, but I'm going to make the gesture anyway. Let go of this cr@p. There is another way to live. I'm ashamed to admit that many years ago, I used to be a bit like you until I saw where it all lead back to. That's how I know all about you and your type - you were my type until I finally got around to looking through the propaganda and the lies and the conspiracy theories and realised there is not a shred of intellectual validity or consistency to any of it. I'll clue you in: Elvis really is dead; people don't get kidknapped by UFOs, and racism is just wrong. It's really nice not carrying all that hate about. Save it for the deserving.
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Post by pawlo on Mar 13, 2005 13:48:18 GMT 1
He never does answer questions directly, just spouts more bile. You'll notice that he always puts the word racism in parenthesis, as though to cast doubt on its existence. He claims he's not a racist in the accepted sense, but accepts that label only in that it gets attached to one who 'wishes to defend his culture', whatever the **** that is. Yet he'll never give a simple direct answer to you if you ask him to define an Englishman or English culture. He'll weasel around it because he can't bring himself to admit anyone with a black skin could be truly English, no matter how long they, or their family have lived here; yet he can't proclaim this belief publicly because it undermines his pretence at a 'reasonable' stance and shows him for the scum he truly is. In other words he hasn't even the bottle to stand up for his vicious little principles - maybe deep down he knows they define him as a sad, venomous little individual, but he just can't help it? Cynical, I'll speak to you directly; I have no expectation you'll hear me, but I'm going to make the gesture anyway. Let go of this cr@p. There is another way to live. I'm ashamed to admit that many years ago, I used to be a bit like you until I saw where it all lead back to. That's how I know all about you and your type - you were my type until I finally got around to looking through the propaganda and the lies and the conspiracy theories and realised there is not a shred of intellectual validity or consistency to any of it. I'll clue you in: Elvis really is dead; people don't get kidknapped by UFOs, and racism is just wrong. It's really nice not carrying all that hate about. Save it for the deserving. Top post
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Post by chrisj on Mar 13, 2005 14:21:19 GMT 1
Cheers SP. Did I pick up from one of your earlier posts that you were in a similar position to me in the bad old days? "Specials+2" and all that crap?
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Post by pawlo on Mar 13, 2005 17:01:27 GMT 1
Cheers SP. Did I pick up from one of your earlier posts that you were in a similar position to me in the bad old days? "Specials+2" and all that cr@p? Yes mate. Very much so. And to illustrate my ignorance and stupidity further, yes, i loved the specials, selecter, the beat ect, yet walked round with a nazi badge on the arm of my jacket Thank God i grew up
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