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Post by Ratcliffesghost on Mar 10, 2005 18:43:07 GMT 1
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Post by meoleshrew2 on Mar 10, 2005 18:44:35 GMT 1
None at oxfam either
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Post by kickinpretty on Mar 10, 2005 19:20:01 GMT 1
Better to sell out than have 1 million left over dont you think!
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Post by Bilbo on Mar 10, 2005 19:31:42 GMT 1
They had plenty of time to buy them, they've been in the store for bloody weeks
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Post by Cynical Shrew on Mar 10, 2005 19:54:14 GMT 1
I'm proud to say I haven't bought one, and will be avoiding indulging in any forced fun tomorrow, to raise a pathetic amount of money for all sorts of charities one wouldn't wish money to.
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Post by CuyahogaBlue on Mar 10, 2005 19:58:49 GMT 1
I'm proud to say I haven't bought one, and will be avoiding indulging in any forced fun tomorrow, to raise a pathetic amount of money for all sorts of charities one wouldn't wish money to. Sounds just like the "compassionate conservatism" the Bush White House is so proud off
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Post by oranjemob 1 on Mar 10, 2005 20:02:13 GMT 1
I'm proud to say I haven't bought one, and will be avoiding indulging in any forced fun tomorrow, to raise a pathetic amount of money for all sorts of charities one wouldn't wish money to. Come on cynical - let's have just one smile. It's not as hard as it looks, and who knows, you might actually enjoy it. It could even take you out of that dark, miserable world you clearly inhabit
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Post by multiculter rules on Mar 10, 2005 20:20:55 GMT 1
I'm proud to say I haven't bought one, and will be avoiding indulging in any forced fun tomorrow, to raise a pathetic amount of money for all sorts of charities one wouldn't wish money to. Are you still waiting for therapy, tut tut lets all start a petition to get cynical the therapy he is crying out for
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Post by rob on Mar 10, 2005 20:21:39 GMT 1
40% of the money goes towards charities that are based and function in Britain I think.
I wonder how you would feel if you hit hard times and people showed you the same compassion that you are showing...
Can't think of anything more worthwhile than for a charity to supply a source for drinking water, a means for youngsters to get educated and the privision of some food.
3 basic human rights that every person whould have, not just the preserve of the west and a few ealthy individuals in the third world
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Post by Pilch on Mar 10, 2005 20:27:03 GMT 1
I hope Lenny Henry personally sticks one on the Chairman of Sainsburys for the lost charity money you mean give him a red nose ;D
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Post by Cynical Shrew on Mar 10, 2005 20:29:42 GMT 1
40% of the money goes towards charities that are based and function in Britain I think. That is a maybe. However two points remain. One, the individual has no control over which "good" cause the money is donated to. Two, a pathetic amount of money is raised.
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Post by morpheus on Mar 10, 2005 20:29:55 GMT 1
I'm proud to say I haven't bought one, and will be avoiding indulging in any forced fun tomorrow, to raise a pathetic amount of money for all sorts of charities one wouldn't wish money to. Although i'm not sure about proud i have to say i agree with him
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Post by grinfish on Mar 11, 2005 9:05:12 GMT 1
Can't think of anything more worthwhile than for a charity to supply a source for drinking water, a means for youngsters to get educated and the privision of some food. 3 basic human rights that every person whould have, not just the preserve of the west and a few ealthy individuals in the third world And all solved if the EU shifted it's agricultural surplus to places it was needed. Always ironic that we produce more food than we need, pay people NOT to grow more than is required, then are asked to dig deep to pay for transport of a relatively meagre amount of staple foods, when the money doled out could be used to transport what we already have. Not blaming charity, just the way the Government seems to rely on it to do the humanitarian work on their behalf.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2005 12:47:17 GMT 1
And all solved if the EU shifted it's agricultural surplus to places it was needed. Always ironic that we produce more food than we need, pay people NOT to grow more than is required, then are asked to dig deep to pay for transport of a relatively meagre amount of staple foods, when the money doled out could be used to transport what we already have. Not blaming charity, just the way the Government seems to rely on it to do the humanitarian work on their behalf. Yes. I know there are a lot of people employed within agriculture in this country but the money that is wasted by the Government in terms of subsidies to farmers and the resulting food mountains is nothing short of scandalous. Surely something can be done to alter this?
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Mar 11, 2005 12:56:04 GMT 1
the fact is we raise a bit of money here and there to support people who are starving because of the trade policies put forward by nations like ours and our allies
people want to feel good about giving, but don't want the sacrifice of allowing other people the chance to progress
Third world debt and trade agreements should be a black cloud over the conscience of western wealthy nations, but then if our peanuts and coffee cost a bit more and our economy was damaged to the point we had to drive vauxhalls instead of BMWs whichever government was in Whitehall would lose power
As many people as died in the Tsunami die in Africa every couple of weeks, from Aids, starvation and preventable diseases, yet it does not get much news space anymore, as they were starving in Ethiopia in 1984 and they are starving now, and we are bored of it
someone said that in the UK last year we spent more money on pet food than we gave to the starving millions.
I don;t know if that fact is true, but it is sobering
Comic Relief is sounding more and more like it is becoming a political movement for change as well as just a fundraising scheme, just like Band Aid made the switch. The fact is that unless change in the buckets is mixed with pressure at the ballot box there won;t be systematic change
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Post by Blue 44 on Mar 11, 2005 13:06:29 GMT 1
the fact is we raise a bit of money here and there to support people who are starving because of the trade policies put forward by nations like ours and our allies people want to feel good about giving, but don't want the sacrifice of allowing other people the chance to progress Third world debt and trade agreements should be a black cloud over the conscience of western wealthy nations, but then if our peanuts and coffee cost a bit more and our economy was damaged to the point we had to drive vauxhalls instead of BMWs whichever government was in Whitehall would lose power As many people as died in the Tsunami die in Africa every couple of weeks, from Aids, starvation and preventable diseases, yet it does not get much news space anymore, as they were starving in Ethiopia in 1984 and they are starving now, and we are bored of it someone said that in the UK last year we spent more money on pet food than we gave to the starving millions. I don;t know if that fact is true, but it is sobering Comic Relief is sounding more and more like it is becoming a political movement for change as well as just a fundraising scheme, just like Band Aid made the switch. The fact is that unless change in the buckets is mixed with pressure at the ballot box there won;t be systematic change Excellent post as always Dave but one other factor is important Africans have to take responsibilty and make sure debt relief and aid is not simply going into the bank account of yet another tin pot dictator rather than into the mouths of the starving people The West has its part to play but so do the professional and political class in Africa who have all too often junketed on aid and charity given by the West -they too have their part to play
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Post by grinfish on Mar 11, 2005 13:11:01 GMT 1
Most of which, Blue44, probably comes from them trying to emulate the inherent greed exhibited my many western politicos. I give you, ladies and gentlemen, the European Commission
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Mar 11, 2005 13:14:56 GMT 1
Excellent post as always Dave but one other factor is important Africans have to take responsibilty and make sure debt relief and aid is not simply going into the bank account of yet another tin pot dictator rather than into the mouths of the starving people The West has its part to play but so do the professional and political class in Africa who have all too often junketed on aid and charity given by the West -they too have their part to play absolutely spot on Plenty of aid money disappears into swiss bank accounts... often those people are in power because: 1) They have weapons sold to them by western nations 2) They are supported by Western government agencies 3) They are friends with other countries who have oil and so are untouchable 4) They have had borders imposed on them, tribal differences and racial differences were completely undermined and sense of national identity was only ever a dream in a white colonialist's brain The fact is the whole thing is a mess, and current leaders certainly do not help their cause or improve the lot of their people but then who are their people? Often only their tribe or nation, and that is rarely represented by the lines drawn on a map by the french / english / dutch / belgians or whoever
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