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Post by OldGit on Feb 17, 2005 10:54:30 GMT 1
Just a bit of fun, but how do you really view the man? When he's on the box, do you smile with warm admiration, or find yourself switching channels? Is he any better than Bush? Is he the Labour equivalent of Maggie Thatcher? Waddya say?
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Post by grinfish on Feb 17, 2005 11:00:29 GMT 1
Dunno what mendacious means, but it sounded appropriate.
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Post by OldGit on Feb 17, 2005 14:28:46 GMT 1
It means someone who is a stranger to telling the truth
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Post by stainesr on Feb 17, 2005 16:05:41 GMT 1
As we have seen with Blair and everyone else before him, being a mendacious and conniving git seems to be a prerequisite for getting the job.
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Post by Sister Pab at work on Feb 17, 2005 17:39:30 GMT 1
Good PM that sometimes gets it wrong............yes he is human
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Post by aleix on Feb 17, 2005 17:42:31 GMT 1
He cocked up in Iraq. That's all. Better than that fúckin Aznar that we had here. Catholic MANIAC who had the eyes of Hitler and was a member of the Franco youths. Compare that and it makes TB look like God.
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Post by Dicky Knee on Feb 17, 2005 17:46:29 GMT 1
Arrogant, self publicising, hypocritical power mad buffoon, sho makes Margaret Thatcher look like a pussycat.
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Post by OldGit on Feb 17, 2005 17:50:15 GMT 1
Good PM that sometimes gets it wrong............yes he is human I agree he's human Pab, but when he gets it wrong - like in Iraq, the consequences are horrific. Also, had he done what he pledged - gone to the UN for a mandate, before joining Bush in invading Iraq, the war would not have happened. That is not a "human" making a mistake, that is someone breaking the law. In that sense, Blair is actually guilty of war crimes; there is no mandate that allows a country to be invaded to overthrow its regime. That is precisely what Bush and Blair have done, the story of WMD and Al Qaeda links are what is popularly called "smoke and mirrors". If you follow Blair's subsequent justification for the war, you have to ask why he hasn't done anything about Mugabe?
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Post by aleix on Feb 17, 2005 17:51:13 GMT 1
Arrogant, self publicising, hypocritical power mad buffoon, sho makes Margaret Thatcher look like a pussycat. christ! who's that then?
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Post by Sister Pab at work on Feb 17, 2005 18:14:06 GMT 1
I agree he's human Pab, but when he gets it wrong - like in Iraq, the consequences are horrific. Also, had he done what he pledged - gone to the UN for a mandate, before joining Bush in invading Iraq, the war would not have happened. That is not a "human" making a mistake, that is someone breaking the law. In that sense, Blair is actually guilty of war crimes; there is no mandate that allows a country to be invaded to overthrow its regime. That is precisely what Bush and Blair have done, the story of WMD and Al Qaeda links are what is popularly called "smoke and mirrors". If you follow Blair's subsequent justification for the war, you have to ask why he hasn't done anything about Mugabe? Your absolutely right mate. Margaret Thatcher is regarded by a Godess by many and yet she delibarately and knowingly put 4 million people out of work to make a political point. Thats a crime. She actively encouraged 100s of 1000s to buy their own houses, with no consideration for the long term affects and the fact that many of them could not afford mortgage payments and subsequently lost the roof over thier heads. Thats a crime. Why is it that when Tony Blair follows his insticts and sticks with it, regardless of being right or wrong, he is called a criminal, yet " the snatcher " did it for years and gets almost calt status.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2005 18:19:20 GMT 1
I think that "Tone" has done a relatively good job overall in his two terms but he is showing signs of running out of steam and ideas. Can't see the Tories or the Lib Dems ousting him so I hope he stands aside and lets Peter Hain have a go at leading the country.
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Post by oranjemob 1 on Feb 17, 2005 19:37:08 GMT 1
Why is it that when Tony Blair follows his insticts and sticks with it, regardless of being right or wrong, he is called a criminal, yet " the snatcher " did it for years and gets almost calt status. Sorry mate, but Blair's only instinct is the glorification of his own image and an insatiable drive for absolute power. Even the word 'Thatcher' sends me into fit of fervant hatred. But she was an evil witch, who openly disregarded the needs of huge masses of the population, as long as she could carry enough votes at each General Election. But, she looked after her own kind. Blair has betrayed those (and I count myself as one) who worked tirelessly for an end to Tory rule, and looked to a labour Government to redress the balance. And what do we get? A Neo-Tory who takes money from the corrupt, free-loads off the rich and sacrifices British (and thousands of other) lives in order to feed off the scr@ps from the table of one of the most disgusting leaders the western world has ever witnessed. Human? I only wish.
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Post by WindsorShrew on Feb 17, 2005 20:52:32 GMT 1
Lets equate the question to a footballing issue, imagine a Town manager who had been here for 8 years, delivered nothing and i mean absolutely nothing. Except of course increased match fees, and a continuous barrage of excuses blaming his predecessor, well if 8 years isn't long enough to bring a little success in any area mr manager i suggest you are not the man for the job ! Note i do not say any other manger will be better but maybe we should give one a go in this instance.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2005 22:19:00 GMT 1
The wonder of Blair is that he has somehow absolved himself of all blame from Iraq from the majority of people who go to the polls in May.
Blair's actions on Iraq revolved around half-truths, omissions and deliberate ambiguities.
"it is a matter of time, unless we act and take a stand before terrorism and weapons of mass destruction come together" - Blair's reasoning for going into Iraq.
'Regime change' was the reason given as soon as the British public realised that this was a lot of b******s.
Ask Blair how many Iraqui civilian deaths we are responsible for. They don't know. They're not even counting.
I accepted the case for war in March 2003, despite being anti-Blair at the time. Now I feel duped and repulsed by his actions, and yet so many others don't.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2005 22:52:03 GMT 1
I've never been a Blair supporter but was 100% behind the PM when he stated the case for wanting to invade Iraq. It now turns out that most, if not all these facts were a pack of lies.
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Post by rep on Feb 17, 2005 23:29:29 GMT 1
Anything but the Tories for me - 18 years of thier divisive policies STILL require the balance redressing. Hope Blair wins and Brown finally gets his chance.
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Post by pawlo on Feb 18, 2005 0:42:22 GMT 1
Lets equate the question to a footballing issue, imagine a Town manager who had been here for 8 years, delivered nothing and i mean absolutely nothing. Except of course increased match fees, and a continuous barrage of excuses blaming his predecessor, well if 8 years isn't long enough to bring a little success in any area mr manager i suggest you are not the man for the job ! Note i do not say any other manger will be better but maybe we should give one a go in this instance. Wow, huge range of well thought out arguements But if I could try and answer the one above. Lets imagine a manager of a Town team who sold all the players on the cheap then used all the proceeds not to buy new and better players, but instead gave it to the board of directors as a big bonus. Not content with this, he then went on and sold the ground. The supporters, despite not having a team to watch any more, where then charged more for the privellage of standing inside the ground on a saturday afternoon. When we protest about this, we are told to get on our bikes and cycle to wrexham. When us fans become wise to the fact that we are being cheated and humiliated, and try to do something about it, the manager sends the riot police in to beat the s**t out of us. ;D
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Post by R6ix on Feb 18, 2005 1:39:13 GMT 1
the leader of a party that has lied and failed to deliver, crime is on the increase, imigration is a real problem,he seems hell bent on stripping the country of all its rights to self rule, what we need is a good hard solid right wing conservetive rule to kick a bit of something back in to the country
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Post by OldGit on Feb 18, 2005 10:36:27 GMT 1
I think my disappointment with Blair stems from the fact that they came in on a tidal wave of votes after years of Tory government and had a real chance to make a difference. But, despite the huge majority, they blew it. Basically they lied to us time and again, and they cheated us too, by using their majority, and (recently) the Parliament Act) to force through policies that they said they wouldn't (Tuition Fees, Privatising Air Traffic Control) and to ban Fox Hunting. They promised and end to "tax and spend" - and introduced 66 tax increases. They promised an integrated transport network - after 8 years its still in chaos. They promised a better NHS - more people now die in hospital of MRSA related infection than on our roads.
Also, they promised us an end to "spin" - and gave us Alistair Campbell; a right to freedom of information - and then backtracked. They also denied us the right to lawful protest when the Chinese Premier came to visit - just in case he got embarrassed and they detained thousands of innocent people in London when the Countryside Alliance to the streets. They lied to us about Iraq and WMD, and they are responsible for producing the first generation of Students who will graduate with massive ( and ever increasing) debts.
I rejoiced when Tone and his Missus the keys to no.10 - I feel cheated and I want a change.
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Post by stainesr on Feb 18, 2005 11:18:45 GMT 1
I was generally pro-blair until the Iraq war. But there are other things he has done that unsettle me, such as the creation of foundation hospitals, countless botched private finance initiatives and the scandal of university top-up fees. But the one thing he offers that the Tories don't offer is a vision for Britain. Like it or not, Blair seems to have a clear view of where he wants us to be going and recently his support for environmental concerns is heartening. You don't get this from the Tories, just sniping about immigration and trying to pick holes in policy detail. The Tories don't seem to be able to grasp the important issues and seem to have precious few ideas about the environment. They also fail to hold Blair to his word on this subject. We don't hear Michael Howard criticising Blair for giving out too many carbon credits to UK business, thus undermining the Kyoto protocol. Just the same old rabid, misinformed nonsense about immigration. I don't like Blair but grudgingly admire him. Howard is total scum and should not be let anywhere near Downing St.
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Post by pawlo on Feb 18, 2005 11:32:25 GMT 1
I think my disappointment with Blair stems from the fact that they came in on a tidal wave of votes after years of Tory government and had a real chance to make a difference. But, despite the huge majority, they blew it. Basically they lied to us time and again, and they cheated us too, by using their majority, and (recently) the Parliament Act) to force through policies that they said they wouldn't (Tuition Fees, Privatising Air Traffic Control) and to ban Fox Hunting. They promised and end to "tax and spend" - and introduced 66 tax increases. They promised an integrated transport network - after 8 years its still in chaos. They promised a better NHS - more people now die in hospital of MRSA related infection than on our roads. Also, they promised us an end to "spin" - and gave us Alistair Campbell; a right to freedom of information - and then backtracked. They also denied us the right to lawful protest when the Chinese Premier came to visit - just in case he got embarrassed and they detained thousands of innocent people in London when the Countryside Alliance to the streets. They lied to us about Iraq and WMD, and they are responsible for producing the first generation of Students who will graduate with massive ( and ever increasing) debts. I rejoiced when Tone and his Missus the keys to no.10 - I feel cheated and I want a change. Morning Old Git. Cant argue your point about tuition fees or air traffic control, and i understand why students feel cheated, although time will tell whether it turns out to be such a bad thing after all. Remember the fuss about bringing in the minimum wage, the right wing press screaming about the thousands of businesses that would go bust. Turns out that it has made little impact in terms of business success rates after all. An end to poverty pay scales Being strong enough to face down the landed gentry in the lords and ban fox hunting, to many, myself included, is another reason to vote labour. Without looking , could someone tell me where half of those 66 tax increases have come from. Does anyone know( except the editor of the daily mail ). Is anyone out there worse of financially than they where 10 years ago? I agree about transport. A poorly thought out commitment bearing in mind the terribly fragmented state of the transport system,the " for profit, not service" culture they inherited. They promised an end to "spin". I thought we where told they invented spin. Trueth is they didnt. Succesive governments for decades have employed people to put a gloss on bad news, and get a particular " side " of the arguement across. Anyone remember Saatchi and Saatchi. Quangos? invented by the tories in the 80s, in those days small committes set up by the tories to run schools and hospitals, usually filled with right wing leaning local politicians. I agree about the visit of the chinese leader. Not nice. But I rejoice about the countryside alliance. Like the union pickets in the 80s, this group of people who think that they are above the law, too powerfull, better than the likes of you and me, suddenly found out what it was like to be a miner in the 80s, faced with the death of your livelihood. Faced with a strong leader. Difference realy is that the miners just wanted to mine coal, they didnt want the right to chase wild animals around the countryside before watching them being torn to pieces. Of coarse another difference is that the miners didnt have wealthy land owners footing the bills for thier campagnes, or the right wing press running front page stories about how poor justin was having a quiet picnic outside parliament with his fiancee penelope when the horrid policeman came and smashed up the champage glasses and trampled the cucumber sandwiches. All the miners had was each other. Finally, yes people have a right to feel disappointed. I feel disappointed with some of the things they do. But just be carefull what you wish for. A hard assed right wing government was a blessing in germany in the 1930s, or was it.
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Post by oranjemob 1 on Feb 18, 2005 12:59:03 GMT 1
the leader of a party that has lied and failed to deliver, crime is on the increase, imigration is a real problem,he seems hell bent on stripping the country of all its rights to self rule, what we need is a good hard solid right wing conservetive rule to kick a bit of something back in to the country Im truly getting sick of this board Here was me thinking that I'd definately decided where I was at, and then along comes a posrt like this Now, what am I ging to do
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Post by Shroze Berry on Feb 18, 2005 20:29:44 GMT 1
Blair,
Two faced Warmongering Arrogant t*****
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Post by skunkie on Feb 18, 2005 20:35:52 GMT 1
Terrible...Worthless...At...Trivia.
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Post by blue 44 on Feb 18, 2005 20:50:38 GMT 1
Blair the final triumph of Margaret Thatcher The man who lied to people The one who has spent thousands of millions of pounds of our money with little or nothing to show for it The master of spin Vote LD you know it makes sense!"
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Post by rob on Feb 18, 2005 21:05:52 GMT 1
We went to war, we shouldn't have done, we were lied to in the process..... However can we not look at the small shards of light coming from Iraq? The large numbers who voted in the elections. Lets not make any mistake, things are bad in aprts of Iraq, however there are far more people living their everyday life than there are caught up between insurgents and US/UK/iraq forces. Devalution is a great thing, your taxes are enabling scottish students (and soon possibly welsh) students to go to uni for free, whilst the poor old english middle class student gets lumbered with £3k a year fees... This country is a mess, I can't wait to go and live abroad
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Feb 18, 2005 21:14:15 GMT 1
the fact is any of these facts about Blair or insults aimed at Blair cannot hide the fact that Michael Howard is a far less successful person and less successful politician
Blair is far from perfect, but Howard should never be let loose near anything remotely valuable
I wish Kennedy was in a party that could win
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Post by R6ix on Feb 18, 2005 21:36:59 GMT 1
kennedy? isint he the wee drunken scotchman that comes up with lots of silly ideas?
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Post by Shroze Berry on Feb 18, 2005 22:37:44 GMT 1
Kennedy....what a laugh.
Remember him on Question Time just after the free vote on whether we should go into Iraq or not.
Kennedy "blah blah blah...we're the party who stands against going into Iraq...blah blah blah"
Hoon " In the free vote a large proportion of the Labour party voted against the motion. From the results of the vote, this shows the vast majority of the Liberal Democrats voted in favour of the motion"
...I thought Kennedy was going to blub. Isn't even in touch with his MPs. I laughed so much it hurt.
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