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Post by telfordSHREWS on Feb 16, 2005 14:20:19 GMT 1
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Post by Immo1 on Feb 16, 2005 14:41:42 GMT 1
5000+ gate would mean 4700 town fans, wonder if GP realises how little local derbys mean to Kiddi?!? See um off Salop, send them home
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Post by dachshund on Feb 16, 2005 14:51:38 GMT 1
It's not remotely as important Gary. But hopefully we'll play a lot better than at the Brittania.
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Post by Immo1 on Feb 16, 2005 14:59:39 GMT 1
Oh and Luke......yer off the penalties ;D
How many times have we seen Salop make a complete hash of the follow up game to a great result?? More than I care to remember. You get the impression that under GP complacency (especially in this game) will not occur. Have no doubts, we'll be fired up for this baby. SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALOP
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Post by wiganshrew2 on Feb 16, 2005 15:03:02 GMT 1
The thing is- we haven't got to assume they're just going to lie down and die, have we?
Coz' it's not going to happen- they're going to fight like crazy, and could even believe it's just about winnable if they're up for it.
We've got to be REALLY up for it- and prepared to show them no mercy whatsover.
I know we're a very different team, now- but- who remembers the Leigh debacle? We should have seen Leigh off in the first ten minutes, almost- and we only managed a draw!
I think there's a grain of truth in what Gary says- they've got to be tough, our lads - and no good thinking all they have to do is turn up !
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Post by ssshrew on Feb 16, 2005 17:09:40 GMT 1
The point is ......... has he got a lift handy to lock 'em in for a couple of hours on Saturday morning. I can see what he means though .............. getting up is one thing. Making sure you stay there by winning '6 pointers' is quite another.
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Post by Dale on Feb 16, 2005 17:31:22 GMT 1
This is a make or break game, a win or draw should be enough to see us safe methinks.
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Post by rob on Feb 16, 2005 17:48:22 GMT 1
indeed an important game.
However if we lose on saturday we'll stil be 4 points or so above Kidderminster.
Whereas if we'd lost the play-off final we'd still be in the conference, on a reduced budget shipping money all over the place.
To compare them is stupid. We lose on saturday we move on.
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Post by Steve Rogerson on Feb 16, 2005 19:40:43 GMT 1
He doesn't say it is more important but as important, either way I disagree with him and agree with H_M_A. The play-off final was a one-off match. We win, we are promoted, we lose we aren't. Saturday is important, but if we should lose we are still seven points clear of the relegation zone. Obviously we want to win it and it is an important game, and I hope we do get the 5000 fans he wants, but it isn't comparable to the play-off final.
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Post by skunkie on Feb 16, 2005 20:01:21 GMT 1
cheerleaders or a soundtrack after scoring?.sounds like some of you wnt to watch Ice-Hockey.The team will get good support because we need to beat a rival team .we could of easly been in their position in the league by now and the fans realize this.On the question of support.Are we the ones that are responsible for 20 years of Town under acheivement.or do we support like a team like Sunderland,who have so many fans they could sell their seats twice over.But they have struggled to be a sucsess for many years.which one are we acording to GP.and is this a scapegoat theory for the team continuing to struggle to be a club to secure silverware and a position of a higher standard in the Football league.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2005 20:08:25 GMT 1
The Kiddy game is nowehere near as important as the Aldershot game and GP knows that but I think he is just trying to generate a bit more publicity and interest in the game so we have a large crowd down at the Meadow on Saturday.
On the subject of Sunderland, if they have twice as many fans as their ground holds how come it usually has 20,000 empty seats?
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Post by skunkie on Feb 16, 2005 20:22:11 GMT 1
OK. but even having a band that supports Englands games,why arnt well supported teams like Sheffield Wednesday in Europe if the fans win games for them and are The 12 Man.?
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Post by SlimShandy on Feb 16, 2005 20:35:41 GMT 1
Methinks Mr Peters is a bit of a showman. On the other hand, the play offs are in the past and the Kiddy game is in the (very near) future, so maybe it is more important? Philosphical question I suppose.
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Post by Steve Rogerson on Feb 16, 2005 21:15:49 GMT 1
OK. but even having a band that supports Englands games,why arnt well supported teams like Sheffield Wednesday in Europe if the fans win games for them and are The 12 Man.? Fans can't make a bad team good. What they can do is give a team a bit more confidence, and if the players feel confident then they are more likely to play their best football. If, on the hand, they hear silence from the home fans, or boos and snipes, or see the fans walking out before the end of a game, that can sap their confidence. I really don't understand why some people have problems with what Gary is saying. He has asked the fans to get behind the team, to make the Meadow uncomfortable for visiting teams, to help make the team harder to beat. What can anyone possibly find wrong with that?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2005 22:31:49 GMT 1
Its just GP's way of trying to get more and more people down the Meadow. And also I think its his way of saying we shouldn't rest on our laurels - GP has made it clear from the very start that he doesn't want fans to get into the "we're safe!thinking what happened a few years ago. He knows that just because having a band/more noise won't improve the team and to suggest that is frankly ridiculous. However if you were playing would you much rather playing in front of 3,000 with lots of moaning or 5,000 with lots of singing and encouragement For some reason Ive seen Sunderland mentioned a lot of times regarding their so called passionate loyal fans etc. Im sorry but its complete cr@p, they are the same as nearly every club. If they are doing well the crowds will be good, if they are struggling crowds will fall and fans will moan just like here. If you go round Sunderland on any day of the week you will see youngsters in Man Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea shirts like you will in Shrewsbury and I've seen it myself Yes there is plenty of Shrewsbury fans who will whinge (and GP is trying to change them) but please lets realise we aren't unique and it goes on everywhere
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Feb 17, 2005 0:33:42 GMT 1
Gary is putting some pressure on us as fans
I don't know a game when I as a fan am actually concerned about what I do
I will on Saturday
that is a stroke of genius
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Post by Pilch on Feb 17, 2005 2:40:45 GMT 1
its not more important at all
if if we lose we are not in the conference ok a little closer to it but not in it
gary we are 10 points clear of relegation
saturday we will be
7 10 or 13
not relegated
just to make that clear
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2005 13:13:14 GMT 1
OK. but even having a band that supports Englands games,why arnt well supported teams like Sheffield Wednesday in Europe if the fans win games for them and are The 12 Man.? Because they've been poorly run. i.e. Leeds
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Post by peterjones1 on Feb 17, 2005 13:36:06 GMT 1
its not more important at all if if we lose we are not in the conference ok a little closer to it but not in it gary we are 10 points clear of relegation saturday we will be 7 10 or 13 not relegated just to make that clear You surely didn't think he was being serious It's all mind games, and like Dave posted further up the thread, it's frankly a stroke of genius. C'mon Salop!
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Post by wiganshrew2 on Feb 17, 2005 14:29:14 GMT 1
Yes! Gary Peters is a bit of a showman!! (As Slimshandy observes) It's part of his charisma- and he's got charisma in bucketsfull. Football has always had a touch of theatricals about it! The "mind games" he plays are all aimed at a positive outcome. I liked the article written by Ian Jones, in the last Fanzine. His last line says it all; "There is much to gain and little to lose in trying!" It's good to keep that message alive. What makes the Kiddy match important is the psychological element. O.K- we'd still be safe-ish if we lost. But a lose would not do much good for the lads confidence. If, on the other hand, they came out, all guns blazing, to a tumultuous roar from the crowd, and loads of encouragement, all the way through the game- Who knows? I'm hoping, like all of us, I imagine, that we get goals; that Luke recovers his form and hits the back of the net. That Kelvin does it for us, too- and anyone else who makes the most of any opportunity. But- Kiddy are not going to roll over and give up. I think it will be a fight. I think the lads are going to have to keep their nerve, pile on the pressure big-style- and show no mercy whatsoever!! If results go the wrong way, in spite of support, then I still maintain that PUBLIC moaning doesn't help. If there's a few nervous mistakes in the first tense minutes, or the opposition score first, what's the best response, "Sort it out! Get him off,... the w*****" Or encouraging them to hold their nerve and keep up the pressure? Negative remarks? Save them for the Opposition?!!
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Post by stainesr on Feb 17, 2005 16:23:01 GMT 1
Peters is right, although with 42 points left to play for, we are still a long way from safety.
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Post by Minto on Feb 17, 2005 19:31:30 GMT 1
Its nonsense to compare both games, maybe if the positions were reversed then there is something in what he says. However he takes most of the credit for the fact that things are as they stand so he can say what he bl**dy well likes for me as long as he gets the lads running like stag rats on the day!
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Post by hooverfoxat2 on Feb 17, 2005 20:02:27 GMT 1
The Kiddy game is more important than the play off final but only in the context of past history and present day circumstances.
The play off final is in the past and as such, although important to the club regarding league status is no longer relevant - it's a game that had much riding on the outcome and WAS of vital importance at the time. It's not so important now because the result saw us promoted and that is history.
We have moved on now and here we are back in league2 facing an important game on Saturday which may well have a massive repurcussion for the losers - the Kiddy game is a huge game for both clubs and as such it is more important than the play off final.
I think the debate on this thread depends on how you define important and in what context, last season was last season and that game is forever in the history books with our club as victors, this is a 'new' season in a 'new' league and what's important is what is happening now and not 10months ago.
Maybe I'm just biased towards GP but I think he's right in what he says, maybe I just define his comments differently.
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Post by MATTY on Feb 18, 2005 19:59:53 GMT 1
5000+ gate would mean 4700 town fans, wonder if GP realises how little local derbys mean to Kiddi?!? See um off Salop, send them home If you a'int been around since brittania this is your turn to get behind the town so come and see us thrash kiddie and watch there fans ddo thisin humiliation and this will be the town fans ;D big up the shrews we can show them
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Post by pawlo on Feb 18, 2005 20:08:54 GMT 1
its not more important at all if if we lose we are not in the conference ok a little closer to it but not in it gary we are 10 points clear of relegation saturday we will be 7 10 or 13 not relegated just to make that clear And just to make it clear to me, shouldnt that be 7, 11, or 13 points clear.
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Post by goindownthewylecop on Feb 18, 2005 20:19:12 GMT 1
no coz if we draw & get a point so do kiddy!
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Post by pawlo on Feb 18, 2005 20:23:00 GMT 1
no coz if we draw & get a point so do kiddy! See why i chose to be a nurse rather than an accountant
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Post by Steve Rogerson on Feb 18, 2005 20:37:27 GMT 1
Damn, damn, damn, damn, damn. I really wanted to be at the Kiddy match, but because of something else I have to do tomorrow I won't be able to leave Nottingham till after 12 and because Central Trains are now taking 3hrs 20min to get to Shrewsbury rather than the normal 2hrs and a bit, I'm going to have to give it a miss. And due to Redemption (see my sig) next week, I can't make the Chester match, so the next time I'll see the boys will be Mansfield away. Damn.
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Post by telfordSHREWS on Feb 18, 2005 21:02:45 GMT 1
You could start a new thread asking for a lift Steve from anyone in the area, or try PM'ing NottsShrew see if he's making tomorrows game
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Post by Steve Rogerson on Feb 18, 2005 21:11:38 GMT 1
Good plan
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