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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2005 8:50:41 GMT 1
For or against?
I can see both sides of the argument but, from a personal point of view, I like to be able to go for a late drink without going to somewhere where you have to pay to get in or are faced with really loud music.
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Post by Ratcliffesghost on Jan 24, 2005 9:04:02 GMT 1
This is legal in some parts of the country already. Grantham in Lincolnshire has piloted it for a while now and alcohol related problems HAVE dropped. (Have had the pleasure of witnessing this on a few occasions as my brother lives there ;D) It's not compulsory, so the landlords arguement of more work doesn't seem to hold water. Yet they get upset when nearby landlords do open late and get more trade as a result - can't have it both ways. I commend the new law to the House
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Post by shane mcgowan on Jan 24, 2005 9:06:50 GMT 1
well all this binge drinking rubbish that people come up with as an argument against, or people'll just drink them selves stuipid is a load of cobblers because its against the law to sell booze to someone who's drunk anyway.
and besides if everyone worked 9-5 mon-fri the current opening hours'd be fine but hardley anyone works that nower days............
so in conclusion then, i'm for 24 hour opening hours
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2005 9:14:58 GMT 1
I think one of the current reasons for rowdy, drunken behaviour is due to the fact that everyone gets kicked out of the pub at the same time.
24 hour drinking will allow people to come and go as they please.
I also agree with the guests post about people's working hours. For example if someone works night shifts regularly thay should have the same right as anyone else to go and have a drink when the finish work if they wish to.
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Post by Tony_HullShrew on Jan 24, 2005 9:21:58 GMT 1
Serving alcohol to drunk people is illegal - fact. I suggest the police raid all pubs at about 9pm and round up the rogue landlords who are breaking the law (about 100% of them). It makes sense have a law that means that pubs have to work against their own ultimate aim which is to get people to drink alcohol (I don't think). Strikes me that the wording in the law needs to change to specify the sort of behaviour of customers that should not have alcohol sold to them.
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Post by Pub Efficiency Officer on Jan 24, 2005 9:38:30 GMT 1
Strikes me that the wording in the law needs to change to specify the sort of behaviour of customers that should not have alcohol sold to them. Real Ale bores should be banned. You know the sort, wander into the pub in a golf top then wax on and on and on about "old perculiar frogs bottom" or some equally obscure named beer - wasting barmaids valuable time - ban 'em
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Post by faginy on Jan 24, 2005 9:39:35 GMT 1
24 hour pubs?
get 'em open ;D
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Post by harmerhillshrew on Jan 24, 2005 9:47:07 GMT 1
Real Ale bores should be banned. You know the sort, wander into the pub in a golf top then wax on and on and on about "old perculiar frogs bottom" or some equally obscure named beer - wasting barmaids valuable time - ban 'em Anyone in mind And what the hell is a Golf Top
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Jan 24, 2005 10:13:54 GMT 1
Post by Pub Efficiency Officer on Jan 24, 2005 10:13:54 GMT 1
And what the hell is a Golf Top You know, brightly coloured polar neck affairs, usually with a girly zip, and often with some obscure designer name that only means something to compressed elastic bashers
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Jan 24, 2005 10:19:28 GMT 1
Post by El Huracán!!!! on Jan 24, 2005 10:19:28 GMT 1
24 hour pubs? get 'em open ;D Agreed Could be Wednesday night/Thursday morning Beers Soon
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Jan 24, 2005 10:21:50 GMT 1
Post by harmerhillshrew on Jan 24, 2005 10:21:50 GMT 1
and often with some obscure designer name that only means something to compressed elastic bashers you mean these sorts of names, Ashworth, Callaway, Cobra, Greg Norman, Nike Golf, Mizuno and Glenmuir. ;D
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Jan 24, 2005 10:43:25 GMT 1
Post by pawlo on Jan 24, 2005 10:43:25 GMT 1
As a nurse, a see my fair share of drunks admitted to our unit, been in a fight, head injury, blah blah blah. On the face of it, extending opening hours doesnt seem a good idea. The government says they want to adopt the laid back and easy going approach to alchohol that they have in the Med. Which is fine, but from what i see on the tv, brits abroad dont exactly do themselves proud. I think that unless a change of culture takes place, this might turn out to be a disaster. Not with the goverment on this one
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Jan 24, 2005 10:59:02 GMT 1
Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Jan 24, 2005 10:59:02 GMT 1
I don't think it will make much of a difference anyway
if you are an idiot looking to drink a skinful and get in a fight then udoubtedly you will, whether the fight is ast 11pm or 2am doesn;t matter, nor does if you start drinking at 6pm or at 9pm
The cultural issue is one a change in the law will not change
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Jan 24, 2005 11:16:56 GMT 1
Post by RG on Jan 24, 2005 11:16:56 GMT 1
As a nurse, a see my fair share of drunks admitted to our unit, been in a fight, head injury, blah blah blah. On the face of it, extending opening hours doesnt seem a good idea. The government says they want to adopt the laid back and easy going approach to alchohol that they have in the Med. Which is fine, but from what i see on the tv, brits abroad dont exactly do themselves proud. I think that unless a change of culture takes place, this might turn out to be a disaster. Not with the goverment on this one Not having a go at your profession PAB, well just a bit maybe, but I have had a number of work meetings with A&E consultants over the years, and they all would like to ban ........ - drinking in pubs - DIY - Local football - Gardening etc etc.......so as they can spend more time on the golfcourse . Not that unsurprising, anyone would wish to reduce their workload
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Jan 24, 2005 11:24:05 GMT 1
Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 24, 2005 11:24:05 GMT 1
I disagree...I think at first we may not see a difference but, in time, I think people will change their drinking habits and pace themselves more...give it time and I am sure this will benefit the UK. Seem to work out ok on the continent...sure it will in the UK...
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Jan 24, 2005 11:27:27 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2005 11:27:27 GMT 1
I think there will be a change culturally but not for 5-10 years at least.
Two points:
* Many Town/city centres have become horrible places to be over the last 5 years or so. Drinks promotions etc. have got totally out of hand - but the Government have acted far too late on this. Also, in these places there are numerous places that already open until 2 or 3 o clock.
* Why should the majority, who will benefit from this flexibility in the laws, have to suffer because of the actions of the idiot minority?
This law should have been passed 5/6 years ago along with a more hardline policy towards drunken and threatening behaviour in city centres. The government has got itself into a real mess over this.
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Jan 24, 2005 11:51:36 GMT 1
Post by mr1972 on Jan 24, 2005 11:51:36 GMT 1
£3 a pint is madness. Discuss
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Jan 24, 2005 12:02:11 GMT 1
Post by pawlo on Jan 24, 2005 12:02:11 GMT 1
Not having a go at your profession PAB, well just a bit maybe, but I have had a number of work meetings with A&E consultants over the years, and they all would like to ban ........ - drinking in pubs - DIY - Local football - Gardening etc etc.......so as they can spend more time on the golfcourse . Not that unsurprising, anyone would wish to reduce their workload If only i was an A&E consultant. To be fair RG, and i dont wish to sound condesending, but i wonder what peoples attitudes would be if they spent a saturday night working in A&E.
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Jan 24, 2005 12:29:43 GMT 1
Post by Dale on Jan 24, 2005 12:29:43 GMT 1
I also agree with the guests post about people's working hours. For example if someone works night shifts regularly thay should have the same right as anyone else to go and have a drink when the finish work if they wish to. Ditto to that Ant! Finishing work at 11pm is sh!te
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Jan 24, 2005 14:02:01 GMT 1
Post by RG on Jan 24, 2005 14:02:01 GMT 1
i wonder what peoples attitudes would be if they spent a saturday night working in A&E. You glass someone if you're that way inclined anyway - an extra few hours opening will not alter peoples inner beings - indeed staggered opening times where it has been tested have reduced alcohol related problems in A&E - havent read the Lancet this month PAB, tut tut
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Jan 24, 2005 15:13:38 GMT 1
Post by marsbar 99 on Jan 24, 2005 15:13:38 GMT 1
If only i was an A&E consultant. To be fair RG, and i dont wish to sound condesending, but i wonder what peoples attitudes would be if they spent a saturday night working in A&E. Totally agree, i work in the drug and alcohol field. I think it is short sighted to think the onset of 24 hour drinking will address the problem we have in our towns or cities. When they changed sunday drinking 20 years ago extend hours ten years ago, these were all aim at reducing alcohol related crime. DID IT! no it has increased. Two many pubs and clubs produce a market that is cut throat, all competing against each other, cheap prices, happy hours, all produce a culture of drink as much as you can as quick as you can. The culture in this country needs to change, not the hours we drink. It become acceptable for people to throw up, have a fight, in hospital, wake up in someones elses bed in the name of having a good time. how people out there realise that throwing up when drunk is the first sign of alcohol poisining, and i for one would not want to put up with a+e on a fri or sat night!! me i would leave hours as they are, close down big outlets like the shrewbury, selling cheap booze!! smaller outlets, closly monitored, landlords fined for serving someone who is drunk, or violence on and around there premises. No street drinking then look at extending hours sermon over!!
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Jan 24, 2005 16:46:38 GMT 1
Post by Mr T on Jan 24, 2005 16:46:38 GMT 1
I'd like to see 24 hour opening.
In my view, a lot of the trouble happens after 11pm when all the pubs have closed. Suddenly you've got a situation where people who want to stay out who were spread out between say 30 pubs in town are then all in 2-3 venues in town. And obviously this means the idiots who get nasty are all coming together.
Half the trouble and bad feeling seems to be due to queuing up and there inevitably being people who push in too.
I'd say there's then more likely trouble after club closing time too, when people then are trying to get into food places or taxis.
Surely spreading out the times that people come out of pubs and clubs has to be better? At least that's the principle at football derbies e.g. Shrewsbury and Chester, the away fans were let out of the ground after the home fans had left.
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Jan 24, 2005 16:57:40 GMT 1
Post by Egwel Fryde on Jan 24, 2005 16:57:40 GMT 1
if it ever happens in shrews, i hope to god efes and al pics do the same! efes after a few beers is traditional!
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Jan 24, 2005 17:04:17 GMT 1
Post by blue 44 on Jan 24, 2005 17:04:17 GMT 1
As someone who has voted Labour I despair We were always taught it was the Tories who were the brewers friends but it appears they have better friends than that in New Labour Everyone is entitiled to their opinion but I am astonished people think the answer to a rapidly growing drink problem is to make alcohol more readily available It just wont work
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Jan 24, 2005 17:50:03 GMT 1
Post by Mr T on Jan 24, 2005 17:50:03 GMT 1
well maybe, but at the moment in shrewsbury you have a situation where by you can keep drinking until 2am in one of 3 clubs or several restaurants, i don't see what the problem would be in pubs being allowed to open until 2am at least, this would reduce the trouble and aggression as people would be spread out. In my opinion anyway
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Jan 24, 2005 19:29:18 GMT 1
Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Jan 24, 2005 19:29:18 GMT 1
Will things really change very much? 24 hour opening is optional and I can't see your average local staying open much longer than they do now. Landlords work long enough hours as it is.
The venues that will take advantage are the big town centre chains who have the turnover to pay for extra staff hours.
As for a culture change, I don't see it coming. I work with some 'sociable' people and their drinking is on the increase, especially among the females. The sole objective of a night out is to get legless and you are regarded as anti-social if you don't want to join in.
Worryingly, I read a report recently that British style binge drinking is on the increase in Europe, with some serious problems in Italy.
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