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Post by skunkie on Jan 9, 2005 13:39:35 GMT 1
Exeter great result,picked up the paper today and looked for the game..Man United shadow squad,hardly any first team in or on the bench.Hope they get whacked with a massive fine for that and dont use Exeter fine result as a smoke screen.If you are the sort of club that can afford two or three sides during a season,it must give you a hell of an advantage in cups.thats why come May the biggest and most secure clubs contest the final.Put them in from the beginning to at least give the small clubs some chance.Money is destroying football and making a monopoly for the biggest clubs in the world.
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Post by rob on Jan 9, 2005 14:03:33 GMT 1
they brought on Smith, Scholes and Ronaldo.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2005 14:19:40 GMT 1
I think I agree Skunkie. Sure Man Utd's 2nd or 3rd string would be expected to beat most non-league teams easily but that is not the point. Didnt teams used to get fined in the league for fielding under strength sides and I can understand the reasons why- one of which is betting implications- I bet a lot of punters who had a Man U home win as part of a bet yesterday were a bit cheesed off to see the side they put out. How do the authorities know that a team has fielded an under strength team to rest players rather than match fixing reasons- they dont, so something has got to be done about it
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Post by Stutty on Jan 9, 2005 15:25:41 GMT 1
Exeter drew Manchester in the cup, whoever Manchester wish to play in that tie is down to Manchester...simple as. You field a side that you think is strong enough to win the game... To make a comment on those betting on the game is just daft, its got nowt to do with that whatsoever...if you bet on the game then thats yer own daft fault int it. Betting implications...dear me, as if any club should take that into consideration...
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Post by jamo on Jan 9, 2005 16:54:35 GMT 1
How does anyone define a weakened team, surely that's a matter of conjecture. The top three sides in the premiership could easily field three different teams at any given time. You have to play the team in front of you and be done with it. I do like the idea of everyone being in the draw from the 1st round though, that would increase dramatically the chances of drawing decent clubs.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2005 17:16:02 GMT 1
How does anyone define a weakened team, surely that's a matter of conjecture. The top three sides in the premiership could easily field three different teams at any given time. You have to play the team in front of you and be done with it. I do like the idea of everyone being in the draw from the 1st round though, that would increase dramatically the chances of drawing decent clubs. True enough Jamo and I guess thats why its going to be hard to stop it- I would do the same as a manager of a top club but its just a shame isnt it? - the League Cup just doesnt have any prestige any more because of this practice and I would hate the FA Cup to go the same way. I bet Exeter fans had a great day out yesterday but surely some of the glory was taken away by the team Man U chose to field. What if Exeter had won-historically it would have been one of the all time cup upsets but then again it wouldnt of would it. Im not a ManU hater- their result yesterday just illustrates a point. We beat a full strength Everton side in the FA Cup- it felt so great. Would it have felt so good if they had fielded most of their reserve players- of course not. FA Cup giant killings are part of English football's tradition and uniqueness- one tradition worth keeping I think!
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Post by CuyahogaBlue nli on Jan 9, 2005 19:21:51 GMT 1
FA Cup giant killings are part of English football's tradition and uniqueness- one tradition worth keeping I think! Worth keeping, if you're the underdog. Given that money and European, and even premiersip survival, is so much more important than the FA Cup, it's not going to change. Top clubs (Arsenal Man U etc) will inevitably hold back on fielding the team that would be used in a Euro Final if they were drawn against, say, Exeter or Shrewsbury.
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Post by Barthez2104 on Jan 9, 2005 19:57:14 GMT 1
If i was a Man Utd fan, and i thanfully i am not, i would feel cheated if i was a paying customer at Old Trafford yesterday. I'd have paid my £20 or whatever it is expecting to see a slightly weakened side, but not a reserve/youth team. If the team included say 5 regular first team players, 4 fringe/backup players and 2 reserve team members that would be acceptable. Newcastle fielded their strongest possible side, Arsenal a strong side, Chelsea a strong side, why couldn't they. Something has to be done about this as the FA Cup is losing it's appeal, and fast!!
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Post by mr1972 on Jan 9, 2005 20:07:05 GMT 1
Maybe man utd need the money that the replay will bring in ?
Maybe their launching a new away kit ?
Maybe ,maybe , maybe.......
I saw newcastle's first team struggle for 50 minutes today
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Post by Salop_Ian on Jan 9, 2005 20:11:44 GMT 1
If Exeter had won I doubt that the record books would put in a footnote that "this doesn't really count because the Man United Team was severely weakened."
Just like Seb Coe's two Olympic Gold Medals are never qualified by saying "of course in 1980 the USA boycotted the games and the Russians didn't compete in 1984"l.
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Post by Salop_Ian on Jan 9, 2005 20:13:58 GMT 1
... or that we say about our League Cup victory over Southampton in 1993 "of course Shearer never played."
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Post by ssshrew on Jan 9, 2005 20:34:11 GMT 1
I just agree that the fans pay their money and would love to see the first team. It seems such a shame that as ever money and not risking the players comes in the way of this.
On the plus, and I am not a Man U, fan in any way, I did hear on Radio 5 that Man U made all the Exeter players and management very, very, welcome, particularly Sir A. So one good point in their favour. I seem to remember that they were not as bad as I thought when they came here too.
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Post by jamo on Jan 9, 2005 20:47:06 GMT 1
Something has to be done about this as the FA Cup is losing it's appeal, and fast!! F.A.cup losing it's appeal ? Then look at wider issue's other than United fielding a so called weakened team. I suppose the fact that attendance's were shocking all over the country, Wolves..12.000, Sunderland 17.000 ,etc, etc, is all down to the dreaded men from Old Trafford. Get real. It's a fact that alot of club's see success in Europe and survival at the Premiership trough as significantly more important than this trophy, romance or not.
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