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Post by staffordshrew on May 15, 2024 23:14:28 GMT 1
Hopefully no more:
'Wolves have formally submitted a resolution to the Premier League which will trigger a vote when the 20 member clubs meet in Harrogate on 6 June'. Well done Wolves.
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May 15, 2024 23:17:37 GMT 1
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on May 15, 2024 23:17:37 GMT 1
Hopefully but I doubt it. Far to sensible idea (for most of us)
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Post by Pilch on May 16, 2024 0:11:13 GMT 1
they need 13 other clubs for the vote the same to carry it
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on May 16, 2024 9:27:37 GMT 1
VAR was introduced as a reaction to players and managers continually complaining about the inability of match officials to make correct decisions.
All VAR has shown is that interpretation of events in a fast moving game is subjective and a decision that pleases everyone is mostly impossible.
For a VAR free game to work a campaign is necessary to insist that players and managers accept that decisions are made honestly and to quote what my Dad used to say to me when I was ranting at officials, “on a football pitch there’s only 3 men who are neutrals”.
(PS . He said that in the days before women’s pro football and the 4th official)
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May 16, 2024 9:52:45 GMT 1
Post by Minormorris64 on May 16, 2024 9:52:45 GMT 1
Figure quoted on Radio 5 on correct decisions
Before VAR 82%
Since VAR 96%
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Post by Pilch on May 16, 2024 10:15:53 GMT 1
I see the odds on Liverpool Winning the league next season have changed overnight , gone from 2/1 to 33/1 😝
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Post by belfastshrew on May 16, 2024 10:16:03 GMT 1
Who wants to wait 3mins to get 14% more correct decisions...especially when they are so borderline millimetre stuff...it makes a mockery. I accept we need it, but not in its current form.
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Post by ssshrew on May 16, 2024 10:20:50 GMT 1
I think all we need is goal line technology. If it’s crossed the line it’s a goal, if it hasn’t it isn’t.
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Post by harboroughshrew on May 16, 2024 10:41:43 GMT 1
I think VAR is here to stay and all players, managers and supporters need to be a bit more honest with themselves and accept that some decisions are borderline and the interpretation of some rules is subjective. That might stop some of these ridiculous conspiracy theorists who claim that there is an agenda against their clubs. As for the way it operates it is good that the semi-automatic offside is coming in to speed up those decisions. Also it is important that the 'clear and obvious' rule is strictly adhered to - any review that requires multiple replays in slow motion should not be allowed and the referee's original decision should stand.
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May 16, 2024 10:53:19 GMT 1
Post by MetaShrew on May 16, 2024 10:53:19 GMT 1
Would be happy for VAR to disappear from football – but it's not going to. The genie is out of the bottle; the toothpaste isn't going back into the tube.
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Post by Pilch on May 16, 2024 11:08:25 GMT 1
I would be happy for VAR to remain for offsides , considering all players now wear GPS vests surely they could incorporate an automated offside technology. albeit the point of the player is taken from where his vest is but thats a level playing field and the only manual intervention would be to determine the exact point the ball was played and also i'k like it to be there for violent conduct, no need to call the ref over, just inform him to issue a red card to player x, no need to stop the game , doesnt matter if its 5 minutes later get him off VAR is spoil by the bigger clubs getting favourable decisions from the likes of corners, tackles in the box, and handballs no different to prior to VAR if we are to believe this 14% without demanding to see evidence then I would imagine most is down to VAR offside decisions and violent conduct so just keep those but improve them
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May 16, 2024 11:11:13 GMT 1
Post by ProudSalopian on May 16, 2024 11:11:13 GMT 1
Sadly I don't see it going anywhere. I think it would damage the brand and hype of 'best league in the world' if we took away technology at a time when that is where the rest of the world is headed
The likes of Forest & Wolves will probably vote to get rid but the 'elite' would still back it
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Post by Pilch on May 16, 2024 11:21:15 GMT 1
do Ipswich & leicester +1 get to vote instead of those relegated ?
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Post by chirkshrew on May 16, 2024 12:09:21 GMT 1
Get rid asap......for over 100+yrs,football has had a referee and 2 linesmen officiating the game,and that's the way it should be.if the referee needs any help...go to the pitch side monitor.....simple as👍👍
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May 16, 2024 15:23:39 GMT 1
Post by Pilch on May 16, 2024 15:23:39 GMT 1
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Post by servernaside on May 16, 2024 15:35:19 GMT 1
Maybe it's wishful thinking on my part, but I'm beginning to detect a groundswell of opinion on favour of abolishing VAR.
The Swedish league have never introduced it and there are many reputable former players and pundits around the world who have repeated their deep misgivings about its implementation and the associated 're-interpretation' of the laws.
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May 16, 2024 16:58:13 GMT 1
Post by staffordshrew on May 16, 2024 16:58:13 GMT 1
I wonder why?
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Post by chirkshrew on May 16, 2024 17:02:25 GMT 1
Andy cole,Wayne Rooney,and Roy Keane basically said last night...scrap it,it's taking the enjoyment out of the game,and taking to long in making decisions.... Which is fair comment
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Post by edinburghpaul76 on May 16, 2024 18:36:07 GMT 1
Andy cole,Wayne Rooney,and Roy Keane basically said last night...scrap it,it's taking the enjoyment out of the game,and taking to long in making decisions.... Which is fair comment Totally totally agree. Previously we had GOAL = Joy and celebration Now a large degree of the time its GOAL = Is there a VAR check..........Yes.............Whats it going to be..........................etc etc Goals are supposed to be the highlight if any game and VAR has seriously detracted from the moment in my opinion
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Post by chirkshrew on May 16, 2024 19:02:58 GMT 1
The worst thing for me,is it's taken the fun/enjoyment out of scoring a goal for the player, especially when they rewind the video to about 6/7 moves back,looking for minute details in the build up to the goal.....that is pathetic 🤷🤷🤷
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Post by Pilch on May 16, 2024 19:45:49 GMT 1
The worst thing for me,is it's taken the fun/enjoyment out of scoring a goal for the player, especially when they rewind the video to about 6/7 moves back,looking for minute details in the build up to the goal.....that is pathetic 🤷🤷🤷 or like when town were at Anfield and they ruled that our keeper had handled the ball in his own box 20 minutes earlier in the build up
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May 16, 2024 20:37:42 GMT 1
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Post by chirkshrew on May 16, 2024 20:37:42 GMT 1
And that's why livarpool want to keep it!!!👍😂🤣
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May 17, 2024 9:29:51 GMT 1
Post by harboroughshrew on May 17, 2024 9:29:51 GMT 1
The ESPN VAR table for this Premier League season shows that Fulham(overall+5), Villa (+4) and Forest (+4) have benefitted the most from overturned VAR decisions. Wolves (unsurprisingly) on -6 have suffered the most with the other two teams who have significantly suffered being Sheffield United (-4) and West Ham (-3). Arsenal and Liverpool are midtable in this league with both on -1.
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May 17, 2024 9:42:51 GMT 1
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Post by Pilch on May 17, 2024 9:42:51 GMT 1
The ESPN VAR table for this Premier League season shows that Fulham(overall+5), Villa (+4) and Forest (+4) have benefitted the most from overturned VAR decisions. Wolves (unsurprisingly) on -6 have suffered the most with the other two teams who have significantly suffered being Sheffield United (-4) and West Ham (-3). Arsenal and Liverpool are midtable in this league with both on -1. subjective report that we could debate forever and not agree on
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May 17, 2024 11:36:33 GMT 1
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Post by rickyspanish on May 17, 2024 11:36:33 GMT 1
Klopp on vote for VAR: “How it's used is definitely not right, how they use it… I would vote against VAR”.
“These people cannot do it properly. VAR is not the problem, you cannot change the people so I would vote for scrapping VAR”.
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May 17, 2024 15:57:38 GMT 1
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Post by Pilch on May 17, 2024 15:57:38 GMT 1
Klopp on vote for VAR: “How it's used is definitely not right, how they use it… I would vote against VAR”. “These people cannot do it properly. VAR is not the problem, you cannot change the people so I would vote for scrapping VAR”. He's worried wherever he goes next might play liverpool
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on May 17, 2024 16:11:10 GMT 1
Get it in the bin!
Coventry not getting that last minute goal at Wembley is everything that is wrong with it.
Goal line technology is a yes.
Perhaps VAR for dangerous (red card) offences that have been missed.
Otherwise forget it. Football is about the moment and it is about the drama. Not about someone being a pube's width in front of another player.
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May 17, 2024 16:32:31 GMT 1
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Post by Pilch on May 17, 2024 16:32:31 GMT 1
Get it in the bin! Coventry not getting that last minute goal at Wembley is everything that is wrong with it. Goal line technology is a yes. Perhaps VAR for dangerous (red card) offences that have been missed. Otherwise forget it. Football is about the moment and it is about the drama. Not about someone being a pube's width in front of another player. But it was ruled offside , as I've said offside could be automated in this day and age with the correct decision almost instantly , whereas other fouls cannot be , I mean imagine had he been onside and the lino incorrectly flagged him offside that would have been worse
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on May 17, 2024 17:01:32 GMT 1
Get it in the bin! Coventry not getting that last minute goal at Wembley is everything that is wrong with it. Goal line technology is a yes. Perhaps VAR for dangerous (red card) offences that have been missed. Otherwise forget it. Football is about the moment and it is about the drama. Not about someone being a pube's width in front of another player. But it was ruled offside , as I've said offside could be automated in this day and age with the correct decision almost instantly , whereas other fouls cannot be , I mean imagine had he been onside and the lino incorrectly flagged him offside that would have been worse
I don't think the offside rule was ever intended to be like that.
If you have to draw a line you are level.
If he was falsely flagged offside that would be better because you would't have the excitement of the goal robbed from you. That is why it is ruining football. If it was a harsh offisde immediately given then it would not impact the fans in the same way.
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Post by Valerioch on May 17, 2024 20:53:52 GMT 1
Klopp on vote for VAR: “How it's used is definitely not right, how they use it… I would vote against VAR”. “These people cannot do it properly. VAR is not the problem, you cannot change the people so I would vote for scrapping VAR”. Klopp spot on, as he always is. Great comments from a great man
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