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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 11, 2024 8:16:24 GMT 1
Anyone else following this in the news? There is a fair amount of coverage. Unsure if this should be moved to the politics board but I didn’t think it was political but OK if it is moved… Anyhow, the final report was released on Wednesday and is available HERE. It really is an eye opener. This has to go down as one of the biggest medical scandals in UK history. And it’s a stark warning as to what can happen when you allow ideology to trump reality, reason and safety. Hat’s off to all those who have done their level best over the years to expose and push back against the ideological capture; those who were cancelled, sacked, ostracized, etc.. I’m sure they will feel someway vindicated upon the review’s release. Hopefully we will no longer see vulnerable children simply pushed down a route of irreversible, experimental, life changing treatment and a lifetime of medical intervention that most do not need and many come to regret. That something like this was allowed to happen in the UK and for so long beggars belief. The activists will of course not go away quietly, that is not their nature and so no doubt more work to be done. They are already attacking the findings. But hopefully this review and its finding will give more people the strength and encouragement to push back…👍
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Post by another fine mess on Apr 11, 2024 8:51:21 GMT 1
Well said.
It has been an utter scandal. It’s good to read that children are likely to receive better protection in future and that proper standards of medical care and enquiry will apply from now on.
I hope this is a turning point. But questions need to be asked about how an ideology was allowed to overrule common sense and standard medical practice. The report makes it clear that activists created a climate of fear that silenced debate and led to so many young people being harmed but they were encouraged and supported by a great many public figures and institutions who ought to have known better.
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 11, 2024 9:38:07 GMT 1
J.K. Rowling, there's something about her I find difficult to endure.
Not sure about Mamma Cass.
A difficult subject, parents don't set out to have a child who feels they are transgender. The main thing is that all young people feel valued, there's been far too many child mental issues and suicides.
As for transgender in general, homosexuality has become mainstream, it's almost a prerequisite for being a Tory MP, but transgender doesn't enjoy the same tolerance.
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Post by Dancin on Apr 11, 2024 11:37:57 GMT 1
I was asked by person of a certain age yesterday why should this treatment be on the NHS?
Their point was that there are fair more deserving causes needing funding.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 11, 2024 12:36:39 GMT 1
I was asked by person of a certain age yesterday why should this treatment be on the NHS? Their point was that there are fair more deserving causes needing funding. I don't agree with that. This isn't about whether these children are deserving of treatment its about the treatment that they need and the treatment they are receiving. A lot of these children have autism, anxiety, depression, for example (hence why a holistic approach is recommended).
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 11, 2024 12:50:58 GMT 1
I was asked by person of a certain age yesterday why should this treatment be on the NHS? Their point was that there are fair more deserving causes needing funding. People of a certain age often don't think of mental issues as being on a par with a broken leg. You can't really see mental anguish.
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Post by Dancin on Apr 11, 2024 12:53:27 GMT 1
I was asked by person of a certain age yesterday why should this treatment be on the NHS? Their point was that there are fair more deserving causes needing funding. I don't agree with that. This isn't about whether these children are deserving of treatment its about the treatment that they need and the treatment they are receiving. I don't, they also have some very interesting views on other subjects which they have been called out for at work.
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Post by jamo on Apr 11, 2024 13:40:50 GMT 1
J.K. Rowling, there's something about her I find difficult to endure. I always think Rowling is pretty straight and unambiguous in her stance on this topic- often to great personal detriment on social media. I find it difficult to disagree with many of her public comments on the great gender debate.
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Post by Worthingshrew on Apr 11, 2024 13:55:03 GMT 1
The frightening thing is how many universities have been taken over by extreme transgender activists, to the detriment of anyone who believes differently.
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Post by southshropblue on Apr 11, 2024 14:31:54 GMT 1
I think Rowling has been an absolute hero on this issue All credit to her and others like Sharon Davies The Cass report demonstrates there is no scientific evidence for giving puberty lockers to children or permanently altering their bodies and Rowling is right in her desire to keep men out of women sports and spaces
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 11, 2024 15:02:39 GMT 1
I think Rowling has been an absolute hero on this issue All credit to her and others like Sharon Davies The Cass report demonstrates there is no scientific evidence for giving puberty lockers to children or permanently altering their bodies and Rowling is right in her desire to keep men out of women sports and spaces What do JK and Sharon actually know about the subject? They are only listened to because of their fame. What axe does JK have to grind, have transgender issues ever actually affected her?
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 11, 2024 15:27:48 GMT 1
There are numerous professionals who have hounded out of there posts for daring to say what the findings of this report now say, I hope they can now be reinstated and it has taken far to long to get to this point.
There needs to be a major review in how this area is handled in schools and by the NHS, that is fair and evidence based .
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 11, 2024 15:42:01 GMT 1
There are numerous professionals who have hounded out of there posts for daring to say what the findings of this report now say, I hope they can now be reinstated and it has taken far to long to get to this point. There needs to be a major review in how this area is handled in schools and by the NHS, that is fair and evidence based . Shouldn't it be "client" based? They are the ones wrestling with their thoughts and feelings.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 11, 2024 15:53:48 GMT 1
The Cass report demonstrates there is no scientific evidence for giving puberty lockers to children or permanently altering their bodies And not only that but its quite clear that children are in no position to consent to such treatment as they have no real understanding of the consequences. Not sure if you saw the content of the WPATH leaks that were given to Michael Shellenberger some time back (GB News and Andrew Doyle did a very good job on reporting on them) but they are very much aware that this is the case yet they continue anyhow.
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 11, 2024 16:04:40 GMT 1
The Cass report demonstrates there is no scientific evidence for giving puberty lockers to children or permanently altering their bodies And not only that but its quite clear that children are in no position to consent to such treatment as they have no real understanding of the consequences. Not sure if you saw the content of the WPATH leaks that were given to Michael Shellenberger some time back (GB News and Andrew Doyle did a very good job on reporting on them) but they are very much aware that this is the case yet they continue to do so anyhow. Nobody seems to be interested in the children's views. To say that someone going to school and reaching the age of puberty and wanting puberty blockers isn't aware of the huge consequences of their decision is nonsense.
I don't know of course if the Brianna girl who was tragically murdered was on any of this type of medication, but she had clearly opted to be a girl and been accepted as such in her society, apart from two killers.
Children of that age can make big decisions.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Apr 11, 2024 16:23:44 GMT 1
The frightening thing is how many universities have been taken over by extreme transgender activists, to the detriment of anyone who believes differently. It’s specifically the Humanities departments and is the reason my daughter left her lectureship job. She wasn’t hounded out but knew she would be if she expressed her objection to allowing biological men who self identified as women to share women’s facilities.
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Post by mcrshrew on Apr 11, 2024 16:37:04 GMT 1
And not only that but its quite clear that children are in no position to consent to such treatment as they have no real understanding of the consequences. Not sure if you saw the content of the WPATH leaks that were given to Michael Shellenberger some time back (GB News and Andrew Doyle did a very good job on reporting on them) but they are very much aware that this is the case yet they continue to do so anyhow. Nobody seems to be interested in the children's views. To say that someone going to school and reaching the age of puberty and wanting puberty blockers isn't aware of the huge consequences of their decision is nonsense.
I don't know of course if the Brianna girl who was tragically murdered was on any of this type of medication, but she had clearly opted to be a girl and been accepted as such in her society, apart from two killers.
Children of that age can make big decisions.
I would argue that it's not a case of whether they are able to know the consequences or not (I'm sure they are talked through the inner workings of the medicine and hormones). It's that their mind and reasoning are not yet developed enough to make such a life-altering decision. How could an emotional, irrational teenager possibly get such a decision correct? How many people know what university they wan to go to, let alone whether they want a family and how they will feel further down the line? Society doesn't allow children (let's say those under 16 to keep it simple) to vote, drive, smoke, get married and much more. This has got to be at least as serious a responsibility as all of those.
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Post by Bob Rickerton on Apr 11, 2024 18:01:42 GMT 1
Hope in the interests of balance we'll be calling for anyone under the age of 25 to be barred from joining the military or having children.
Huge, life-altering decisions that their fragile minds couldn't possible begin to comprehend at such a tender age.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 11, 2024 18:34:10 GMT 1
Nobody seems to be interested in the children's views. To say that someone going to school and reaching the age of puberty and wanting puberty blockers isn't aware of the huge consequences of their decision is nonsense.
I don't know of course if the Brianna girl who was tragically murdered was on any of this type of medication, but she had clearly opted to be a girl and been accepted as such in her society, apart from two killers.
Children of that age can make big decisions. I would argue that it's not a case of whether they are able to know the consequences or not (I'm sure they are talked through the inner workings of the medicine and hormones). It's that their mind and reasoning are not yet developed enough to make such a life-altering decision. How could an emotional, irrational teenager possibly get such a decision correct? How many people know what university they wan to go to, let alone whether they want a family and how they will feel further down the line? Society doesn't allow children (let's say those under 16 to keep it simple) to vote, drive, smoke, get married and much more. This has got to be at least as serious a responsibility as all of those. Or a tattoo, say. I mean he mentions puberty blockers yet how on earth can a child fully understand the consequences of taking puberty blockers when the long term impacts are yet to be fully established. How do you explain to a young child that the treatment they are to receive may result in a loss of sexual function including experiencing orgasm when they can't even comprehend what that means. How can a child be absolutely sure at that early age that they will never wish to have children. They can't.
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 11, 2024 18:41:51 GMT 1
What seems to be being missed for the young people who want to make the big decision to block their puberty is that if you don't block it when puberty is happening then it's too late
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Post by Worthingshrew on Apr 11, 2024 18:48:04 GMT 1
What seems to be being missed for the young people who want to make the big decision to block their puberty is that if you don't block it when puberty is happening then it's too late We are all subject to peer pressure, but pre-pubescent children surely much more so.
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 11, 2024 19:35:08 GMT 1
What seems to be being missed for the young people who want to make the big decision to block their puberty is that if you don't block it when puberty is happening then it's too late We are all subject to peer pressure, but pre-pubescent children surely much more so. Quite probably, imagine what pressure you would have been under from your mates, family, everyone, if, pre pubescent, you had carefully and thoughtfully made the life changing decision that you were transgender and wanted to block puberty. Takes a brave and determined young person, clear in their own mind to announce that.
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Post by southshropblue on Apr 11, 2024 20:49:01 GMT 1
We are all subject to peer pressure, but pre-pubescent children surely much more so. Quite probably, imagine what pressure you would have been under from your mates, family, everyone, if, pre pubescent, you had carefully and thoughtfully made the life changing decision that you were transgender and wanted to block puberty. Takes a brave and determined young person, clear in their own mind to announce that. I really reccomend you read the Cass report or at least its summary it is an impressive piece of work but just one quote "for most young people a medical pathway will not be the best way to manage their gender related distress" I honestly think that an unknown number will want to detransition and will in time feel deeply let down by Tavistock and other clinics and may well sue Time will tell but extreme caution is certainly needed and much much more research
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 12, 2024 7:20:37 GMT 1
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Post by Dancin on Apr 12, 2024 12:50:08 GMT 1
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 12, 2024 14:09:41 GMT 1
Best ignored, as are her books.
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Post by venceremos on Apr 12, 2024 15:37:16 GMT 1
The frightening thing is how many universities have been taken over by extreme transgender activists, to the detriment of anyone who believes differently. What do you mean by "taken over"? And how many universities are you talking about?
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Post by barrynic on Apr 12, 2024 15:41:38 GMT 1
Best ignored, as are her books. JK Rowling is correct.
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 12, 2024 16:26:40 GMT 1
Best ignored, as are her books. JK Rowling is correct. According to you, yes. For me, she's a self appointed mouth peace for persecuting a minority group. Each to their own opinion.
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Post by barrynic on Apr 12, 2024 16:39:54 GMT 1
According to you, yes. For me, she's a self appointed mouth peace for persecuting a minority group. Each to their own opinion. Indeed....I believe a man in a dress is a man.and they should not be allowed to compete with real women in sport...or ever be allowed into the spaces occupied by real women.
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