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Post by aghabullogueshrew on Apr 1, 2024 19:55:40 GMT 1
We are going to need lightning to strike twice if we are going for a total rebuild! Most total rebuilds are disasters, with most teams taking weeks or even months to gel. Most successful teams do partial rebuilds, easing a few players out and bringing a few in. Unfortunately, being a league one team on a tight budget, we can’t go around offering 3 and 4 year contracts, so we have to cut our cloth accordingly! Means we need a manager who can find bargains we can sell on for a profit, promote youth players and know the loans market. Are most important purchase next season maybe tying down our current manager to a longer contract!
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Post by northwestman on Apr 1, 2024 19:59:07 GMT 1
Two changes for sure for Portsmouth will be Shipley and Price being brought in.
But I'm sorry for PH - he has so little to work with and somehow has to drag us over the line.
Today's results for the bottom 7 were excellent apart from Cambridge, but I don't want any repeat of the results on Good Friday whilst we are losing at Portsmouth.
And one factor is particularly worrying - our goal difference is worse than anyone's except Carlisle and could yet catch us out.
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Post by northwestman on Apr 1, 2024 20:05:19 GMT 1
I note that once again we are the lowest scorers in the entire League - 30 goals from 41 games.
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Post by londonshrew75 on Apr 1, 2024 20:06:45 GMT 1
Hopefully we won't pull up any tree's in the last few games in staying up. At least this gives us a better chance of keeping Hurst for next season. I say this as when Rowland sits down with him and says "these are your funds available son" he's going to be in for a shock. I'd keep Benning and the kid from Carlisle (as long as he's centre back). The rest couldn't careless about for reasons ranging from big earners, to not good enough. Just watched Hurst post match today....Man alive he's pretty damming...
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Post by pughywasfree on Apr 1, 2024 20:13:08 GMT 1
Hurst can whinge all he wants but he has been here long enough to get to know the players by now.
If the mentality is wrong, it is his job to manage that.
If the work ethic is wrong, it is his job to manage that.
If fitness is poor then its his job to recognise a tired player and do something about it. Also he should deploy tactics that are less demanding. (no sense in getting the team to press if they blow out their ass after 60 minutes)
For me there was no a lack of effort today but I could not work out what our tactics were. We looked clueless and devoid of confidence. Again that is Hurst's job to manage.
He has just had two weeks on the training field to find tune things. Whilst these players are not his and there isnt that much he can do about the fitness levels at this point the fact is that this is his starting 11, this is his formation, this is his tactics, they were his subs and he was the one who delivered the prematch and half time team talks.
Today was pathetic and Hurst shirking blame onto the players does not wash with me. He has a free ticket this season and if we survive he would have done a good job of turning a downward spiral into a season where we keep out league 1 status but next season he will not get any free tickets and he must deliver.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Apr 1, 2024 20:18:23 GMT 1
Hurst can whinge all he wants but he has been here long enough to get to know the players by now. If the mentality is wrong, it is his job to manage that. If the work ethic is wrong, it is his job to manage that. If fitness is poor then its his job to recognise a tired player and do something about it. Also he should deploy tactics that are less demanding. (no sense in getting the team to press if they blow out their ass after 60 minutes) For me there was no a lack of effort today but I could not work out what our tactics were. We looked clueless and devoid of confidence. Again that is Hurst's job to manage. He has just had two weeks on the training field to find tune things. Whilst these players are not his and there isnt that much he can do about the fitness levels at this point the fact is that this is his starting 11, this is his formation, this is his tactics, they were his subs and he was the one who delivered the prematch and half time team talks. Today was pathetic and Hurst shirking blame onto the players does not wash with me. He has a free ticket this season and if we survive he would have done a good job of turning a downward spiral into a season where we keep out league 1 status but next season he will not get any free tickets and he must deliver. Agree he must deliver next season but it's a bit harsh to put all the blame this season on him. He had no say on who was brought in (until he arrived), their lack of fitness, cant score in a brothel, or the fact they dont play as a team too often. Think these thoughts should be held in substance till around the end of September because there will be very few here then that have been here this season. Let's judge him then.
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Post by shrewswolf on Apr 1, 2024 20:18:37 GMT 1
Hurst can whinge all he wants but he has been here long enough to get to know the players by now. If the mentality is wrong, it is his job to manage that. If the work ethic is wrong, it is his job to manage that. If fitness is poor then its his job to recognise a tired player and do something about it. Also he should deploy tactics that are less demanding. (no sense in getting the team to press if they blow out their ass after 60 minutes) For me there was no a lack of effort today but I could not work out what our tactics were. We looked clueless and devoid of confidence. Again that is Hurst's job to manage. He has just had two weeks on the training field to find tune things. Whilst these players are not his and there isnt that much he can do about the fitness levels at this point the fact is that this is his starting 11, this is his formation, this is his tactics, they were his subs and he was the one who delivered the prematch and half time team talks. Today was pathetic and Hurst shirking blame onto the players does not wash with me. He has a free ticket this season and if we survive he would have done a good job of turning a downward spiral into a season where we keep out league 1 status but next season he will not get any free tickets and he must deliver. This here is why managers normally come out with complete untruths in a post match interview. **** that. They’re not his players, and even if they were, I’d like him to always be honest like this for as long as he’s here, providing he never calls out players individually. The match was devoid of any quality and any meaningful running. It may look to the untrained eye that they are trying but I’m sure there were routines not carried out and runs not being made that should have been. Otherwise, we would actually have been good. Very pleased he saw it as I did. Not at all happy with what I watched. Good point though considering other results.
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Post by pughywasfree on Apr 1, 2024 20:24:45 GMT 1
Hurst can whinge all he wants but he has been here long enough to get to know the players by now. If the mentality is wrong, it is his job to manage that. If the work ethic is wrong, it is his job to manage that. If fitness is poor then its his job to recognise a tired player and do something about it. Also he should deploy tactics that are less demanding. (no sense in getting the team to press if they blow out their ass after 60 minutes) For me there was no a lack of effort today but I could not work out what our tactics were. We looked clueless and devoid of confidence. Again that is Hurst's job to manage. He has just had two weeks on the training field to find tune things. Whilst these players are not his and there isnt that much he can do about the fitness levels at this point the fact is that this is his starting 11, this is his formation, this is his tactics, they were his subs and he was the one who delivered the prematch and half time team talks. Today was pathetic and Hurst shirking blame onto the players does not wash with me. He has a free ticket this season and if we survive he would have done a good job of turning a downward spiral into a season where we keep out league 1 status but next season he will not get any free tickets and he must deliver. Agree he must deliver next season but it's a bit harsh to put all the blame this season on him. He had no say on who was brought in (until he arrived), their lack of fitness, cant score in a brothel, or the fact they dont play as a team too often. Think these thoughts should be held in substance till around the end of September because there will be very few here then that have been here this season. Let's judge him then. I am not putting all the blame on him, far from it. The players are not his and the fitness levels have been shocking all season. I accept that. My issue is with the fact he is passing blame when he is the one in charge.
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Post by Pilch on Apr 1, 2024 20:28:07 GMT 1
He started with the wrong side today , only himself to blame especially for the first half no show
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Post by pughywasfree on Apr 1, 2024 20:29:03 GMT 1
Hurst can whinge all he wants but he has been here long enough to get to know the players by now. If the mentality is wrong, it is his job to manage that. If the work ethic is wrong, it is his job to manage that. If fitness is poor then its his job to recognise a tired player and do something about it. Also he should deploy tactics that are less demanding. (no sense in getting the team to press if they blow out their ass after 60 minutes) For me there was no a lack of effort today but I could not work out what our tactics were. We looked clueless and devoid of confidence. Again that is Hurst's job to manage. He has just had two weeks on the training field to find tune things. Whilst these players are not his and there isnt that much he can do about the fitness levels at this point the fact is that this is his starting 11, this is his formation, this is his tactics, they were his subs and he was the one who delivered the prematch and half time team talks. Today was pathetic and Hurst shirking blame onto the players does not wash with me. He has a free ticket this season and if we survive he would have done a good job of turning a downward spiral into a season where we keep out league 1 status but next season he will not get any free tickets and he must deliver. This here is why managers normally come out with complete untruths in a post match interview. **** that. They’re not his players, and even if they were, I’d like him to always be honest like this for as long as he’s here, providing he never calls out players individually. The match was devoid of any quality and any meaningful running. It may look to the untrained eye that they are trying but I’m sure there were routines not carried out and runs not being made that should have been. Otherwise, we would actually have been good. Very pleased he saw it as I did. Not at all happy with what I watched. Good point though considering other results. Regardless of whether they are his players what I said is still true even if it is a difficult task to make this group of players with their current levels of fitness a decent competitive team. We have played very well at time since he has returned, the players have it in them. It is Hurst's job to get it out of them consistently. As a manager myself I would never dream of questioning members of my team externally as I know that I am responsible for the work that is produced. Hurst's comments in the media were odd last time he was here but the team was doing the business so it was irrelevant. If next season he comes out with similar comments like today then he should rightly be called out on it without question.
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Post by ProudSalopian on Apr 1, 2024 20:38:19 GMT 1
If next season he comes out with similar comments like today then he should rightly be called out on it without question. They would be his signings so yes if he criticised them publicly then he himself would be criticised by fans. You can say 'its his job to get the best of the players' but if they do not follow his instructions or put in the desired effort then he can't do a lot about it, other than of course publicly call them out, drop them and eventually get them out of STFC.
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Post by chirkshrew on Apr 1, 2024 20:49:26 GMT 1
Absolutely no desire at all in them players....most of em want to go anyway....they ain't gonna change there ways much now....it's lucky that we only need another 3/4 PTS...hursts main aim,was to keep town up this season,and he'll just about do it,with this shower of s**t
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 1, 2024 21:07:10 GMT 1
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Post by mattmw on Apr 1, 2024 21:09:16 GMT 1
Possibly as the result of not having watched either of the Easter games I find myself a bit more optimistic than others on this thread after the weekend.
Picking up 2 points is the main thing, even if both performances were not great is the main thing. Getting a win today would have been great especially as on recent form Bristol Rovers are possibly our easiest opposition of our remaining games, but the way the results went elsewhere mean its not that unlikely we may already have enough points to stay up. I can't really see enough of the teams below us winning 2-3 games now with the fixtures they have, and games against each other too.
We're ceartainly crawling over the finish line but just about doing enough to stay up - which is I think all that could be asked of Hurst to have done with the resources at his disposal. The release of the accounts this week does throw into question quite what next season might bring, and even if Hurst is still with us, but for now its looking like by hook or by crook we should still be a league one club next season
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Post by Pilch on Apr 1, 2024 21:13:44 GMT 1
I heard that , pretty much agree with everything he said and ant should know it's his job and he's good at it , he also did well to avoid her putting words in his mouth Well done ant 👍 I meant to mention on the accounts thread but forgot
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Post by MartinB on Apr 1, 2024 21:24:57 GMT 1
Just got home. No analysis other than to say dreadful game of football between two dire teams. The only decent thing was listening to the interview with PH on the way home and knowing that he saw the same game that I saw Watching Dunkley and Morosi buggering about with goal kicks me back to the dark, distant days ofWinfield and Mkandawire. Agree about PH interview. What is it with Bristol Rovers amd forwards that dive all game. Marcus Stewart in the past and Chris Martin was embarrassing this afternoon
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Post by MartinB on Apr 1, 2024 22:19:37 GMT 1
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Post by MetaShrew on Apr 1, 2024 23:03:01 GMT 1
I just it as Hurst recognising that mathematically he – and we – haven't achieved anything yet. Laying on the praise after a goalless draw against a fellow middling team would be pointless, if not counterproductive, given that it's all going down to the last couple of games as things stand.
Now, of course, we are all hoping for the best and to be safe with a game or two to spare, but until then, why would anyone be lauding anyone else?
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Post by philrouge on Apr 1, 2024 23:17:04 GMT 1
How many sad gits from Salop went today on a Bank Holiday ?
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Post by belfastshrew on Apr 1, 2024 23:39:26 GMT 1
How many sad gits from Salop went today on a Bank Holiday ? Nearly went. Bugger all else to do with everywhere closed. Kinda glad I didn't go though!
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 2, 2024 7:10:47 GMT 1
Don't mind the manager calling a spade a spade, if its not good enough then its not good enough. And I share his frustration, I think many of us agreed that the performance against Oxford was one of the best since Hurst's return and yet just three days later. But anyhow, I don't think we need to dwell on such things too much. Just about getting over the line and getting yet another disappointing season out of the way. So with that regard, looking to how everyone else got on, a point was decent enough. We're getting there by the looks, just about.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Apr 2, 2024 7:14:04 GMT 1
They must have been total gash the last few weeks if that is the case According to the Bristol commentary team they were, they specifically spoke about how bad it was against, if I recall right, both Lincoln and Vale. From what they were saying "total gash" sounds about right. So I suppose in that regard it was an improvement of sorts for the home side.
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Post by ProudSalopian on Apr 2, 2024 9:08:05 GMT 1
Including yesterday, their last 5 games have been lost 3 & drawn 2 and they have failed to score in any of them so they certainly aren't on a great run
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Post by mrcricket on Apr 2, 2024 12:13:13 GMT 1
I don’t understand why you’d be asking me this? There was interest last summer and he’s one of the better GK’s in the league. Why’d we release him when we can most likely trigger his final year and get a fee Where have you seen we have an option? It wasn't mentioned when we signed him (as far as I could tell) but was when we signed the likes of Dunkley & Bayliss I also think Marosi signed for a straight three year contract and there is no extension, I hope I'm wrong but I think he's out of contract this summer.
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Post by tarporleyblue on Apr 2, 2024 13:44:06 GMT 1
How many sad gits from Salop went today on a Bank Holiday ? Anyone know how many made the trip? It doesn't say on the club site.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 2, 2024 15:08:15 GMT 1
Where have you seen we have an option? It wasn't mentioned when we signed him (as far as I could tell) but was when we signed the likes of Dunkley & Bayliss I also think Marosi signed for a straight three year contract and there is no extension, I hope I'm wrong but I think he's out of contract this summer. I know wages will be an issue but personally keeping marosi should be a priority
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Post by filmcrewshrew1 on Apr 2, 2024 15:43:07 GMT 1
"The lack of quality today was quite frightening really..." Doesn't mince words our Paul! I love his honesty. I love how PH is so honest. If that was a Matt Taylor post match, he would have been delighted with the performance and knocking one out over how we weee ‘good out of possession’.
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Post by yorkshrew on Apr 2, 2024 16:01:06 GMT 1
How many sad gits from Salop went today on a Bank Holiday ? Anyone know how many made the trip? It doesn't say on the club site. Radio Salop reported about 500. Didn't give an exact figure.
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