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Post by Dancin on Mar 20, 2024 13:56:28 GMT 1
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Post by martinshrew on Mar 20, 2024 13:57:58 GMT 1
Happy to take money of betting firms, yet they'll ban anyone with a genuine health problem.
Games ****ed, been gone a long time.
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Post by Pilch on Mar 20, 2024 14:39:30 GMT 1
Has Tonali even played for a side where his shirt has been sponsored by a gambling firm ? Newcastle didn't and gambling shirt sponsors have been banned in Italy for at least 5 years now
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Post by MartinB on Mar 20, 2024 14:42:14 GMT 1
I wonder how long Merson would have got if he had been caught?
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Post by Dancin on Mar 20, 2024 14:54:35 GMT 1
I wonder how long Merson would have got if he had been caught? God knows?!
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Post by Pilch on Mar 20, 2024 14:55:32 GMT 1
I wonder how long Merson would have got if he had been caught? bookies were never likely to report p Merson , he was their main source of income
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Post by venceremos on Mar 20, 2024 16:30:28 GMT 1
Merson seems to be oversimplifying it.
Society has a problem with gambling, no question. All that "when the fun stops" stuff - we like a bit of it but it can go too far, like drinking. Footballers are susceptible to gambling excess; lots of money, lots of free time, loneliness, lack of maturity, the thrill of the chase - there are all sorts of reasons why an addiction can set in.
And of course there's a particular problem for football, and other sports, in that clubs are happily sponsored or even owned by gambling firms. The hypocrisy charge is easy to make.
But let's not forget Toney and Tonali were banned for betting on football and, certainly in Tonali's case (can't remember with Toney) they were caught betting on games in which they were involved. The integrity of the sport was therefore compromised by their actions and, for that matter, the integrity of the outcome for the gamblers too. That can't be ignored any more than insider trading in financial matters should be ignored. Football's their profession and there have to be real sanctions for what they did.
That's not to say they shouldn't receive support and help in overcoming their addiction. But there has to be accountability and, as adult, professional athletes, they have to take responsibility for their actions.
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Post by davycrockett on Mar 20, 2024 16:47:19 GMT 1
I can understand the ban on betting if your involved in the game or could have some advantage with inside information but is there any harm in recreational betting perhaps just a ban on betting on clubs in the same league.
Maybe someone can educate me why footballers if not involved in the game? why can’t a league two footballer bet on who’ll win the World Cup, or can they?
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Post by Pilch on Mar 20, 2024 17:12:26 GMT 1
I can understand the ban on betting if your involved in the game or could have some advantage with inside information but is there any harm in recreational betting perhaps just a ban on betting on clubs in the same league. Maybe someone can educate me why footballers if not involved in the game? why can’t a league two footballer bet on who’ll win the World Cup, or can they? I think it all comes down to protecting the integrity of the game. players talk, meet other players, foreign players, poor players corrupt players and before you know it....
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Post by venceremos on Mar 20, 2024 17:27:34 GMT 1
I can understand the ban on betting if your involved in the game or could have some advantage with inside information but is there any harm in recreational betting perhaps just a ban on betting on clubs in the same league. Maybe someone can educate me why footballers if not involved in the game? why can’t a league two footballer bet on who’ll win the World Cup, or can they? Players go through academies and end up in leagues at different levels and in different countries. They don't only know other players in the same league, or anywhere near the same level. Think Ian Dunbavin and Steven Gerrard ..... Impossible to police - a complete ban is the only way.
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Post by davycrockett on Mar 20, 2024 17:43:31 GMT 1
I can understand the ban on betting if your involved in the game or could have some advantage with inside information but is there any harm in recreational betting perhaps just a ban on betting on clubs in the same league. Maybe someone can educate me why footballers if not involved in the game? why can’t a league two footballer bet on who’ll win the World Cup, or can they? I think it all comes down to protecting the integrity of the game. players talk, meet other players, foreign players, poor players corrupt players and before you know it.... Can jockeys, stable hands owners and trainers bet on horses having inside information? Does that break integrity? I don’t bet can a footballer bet on horses? Or a male on Women’s football? All seems a bit strange,
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Post by Chief Inspector Swan on Mar 20, 2024 17:59:20 GMT 1
I think it all comes down to protecting the integrity of the game. players talk, meet other players, foreign players, poor players corrupt players and before you know it.... Can jockeys, stable hands owners and trainers bet on horses having inside information? Does that break integrity? a) No b) Yes Not sure what’s so hard to understand about why a League Two player being able to bet on Premier League matches would lead to even more shady practices than present.
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Post by servernaside on Mar 20, 2024 18:03:34 GMT 1
The bans applied to Toney and others were not because of their gambling per se, but because of betting on games they may have been involved in. That's a line that should not be crossed and if it is, then lengthy bans are an appropriate deterrent.
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Post by belfastshrew on Mar 20, 2024 22:00:25 GMT 1
I seen this thread and instantly thought of Big Sam 🤷♂️
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Mar 20, 2024 22:25:50 GMT 1
Integrity in sport is more important that people's problems.
Anyone can say they have an addiction - but betting on sports is linked to all sorts of corruption and match fixing.
Harsh penalties are the only way to deal with it.
Perhaps the punishment should include methods of rehabilitation etc, like the sporting chance stuff does, but it still can't replace very strong punishment for offenders so less people would ever risk it.
And alcoholic gets punished for drink driving too.
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 22, 2024 21:32:06 GMT 1
Happy to take money of betting firms, yet they'll ban anyone with a genuine health problem. Games ****ed, been gone a long time. Same thing has applied to alcoholics in pubs and clubs for years.
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