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Post by Valerioch on Jan 16, 2023 23:33:58 GMT 1
Yes got searched going in to Burton’s ground wait, did you get in at Burton Albion with actually get checked, you absolute ****ing hero Am I missing something?
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Post by Pilch on Jan 16, 2023 23:37:44 GMT 1
im not sure, you kind of made it sound like getting searched going into burtons ground wasn't a thing
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Post by Valerioch on Jan 16, 2023 23:40:55 GMT 1
im not sure, you kind of made it sound like getting searched going into burtons ground wasn't a thing stuttgartershrew Asked if anyone got patted down or searched at Burton going in I answered saying I did Strange replies to a non story
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Post by Pilch on Jan 16, 2023 23:43:53 GMT 1
im not sure, you kind of made it sound like getting searched going into burtons ground wasn't a thing stuttgartershrew Asked if anyone got patted down or searched at Burton going in I answered saying I did Strange replies to a non story Just out of interest, did anyone get searched or patted down enter the ground on Saturday? Is that something you see in England these days? As I guess its pretty easy to get stuff into the ground if that's not the case. Yes got searched going in to Burton’s ground you answered several times, I replied to this one
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Post by harboroughshrew on Jan 17, 2023 15:58:13 GMT 1
I presumed everyone was being searched going into the ground (as I was) but a steward told me during the game that they are not allowed to search children (he did not specify the age) and that is where he thought the devices were being smuggled in. There was a point when play was continuing with Burton attacking and smoke was billowing around Marosi and it would have been pretty annoying if it had obscured his vision and led to us conceding.
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Jan 17, 2023 17:30:39 GMT 1
I find the smoke bomb argument interesting because you'll see the media and even some football clubs themselves using photos of players or fans celebrating around where smoke bombs have been set off and you can't dispute it makes a cracking photo. Is it not part of the romanticism of matches on the continent where TIFO and pyro displays are looked on with envy by most football fans in this country? But like Frankwell says, some actual distinction between a fairly innocuous smoke bomb and a flare, or firework, or IED or any of the other hyperbolic nonsense would help 'cool down' some of the hysteria (see what I did there?!). I get the sentiment, and plainly flares are considerably more dangerous, but sadly there's nothing in the slightest bit innocuous about smoke bombs for myself and doubtless many other asthmatics, they're a one way ticket to streaming eyes and nose, shortness of breath and a very uncomfortable tight chest. For some, and this isn't hyperbole, it could actually be life threatening. That's the reality, sadly I doubt either of the morons there on Saturday gave even the slightest second of thought to the possible consequences of their actions, thankfully I was over in front of the police control room so the smoke didn't reach me, but on occasions when it has before it has been thoroughly uncomfortable. Anyone, and I mean anyone, who defends these actions is an idiot. Full stop.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2023 17:41:55 GMT 1
I’m really fed up of people enjoying themselves. Like many of our tedious fans I’d much rather we all turn up, sit down and be quiet. There’s no room in football for atmosphere, tribalism, colour, enjoyment, displays of passion or emotion. Thank god most of the stadium sit in silence then moan at everything instead of getting behind the team.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 17, 2023 17:48:07 GMT 1
I’m really fed up of people enjoying themselves. Like many of our tedious fans I’d much rather we all turn up, sit down and be quiet. There’s no room in football for atmosphere, tribalism, colour, enjoyment, displays of passion or emotion. Thank god most of the stadium sit in silence then moan at everything instead of getting behind the team. I think its called a lack of emotional intelligence
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2023 18:22:56 GMT 1
I’m really fed up of people enjoying themselves. Like many of our tedious fans I’d much rather we all turn up, sit down and be quiet. There’s no room in football for atmosphere, tribalism, colour, enjoyment, displays of passion or emotion. Thank god most of the stadium sit in silence then moan at everything instead of getting behind the team. You can go to the match, stand on the terraces and get right behind the team for the 90 minutes, you don't need flares or smoke bombs to do that. It's the 1000 odd supporters behind the goal who got behind the team on Saturday, singing, shouting, the good old fashioned way!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2023 20:37:11 GMT 1
Pyro’s are illegal in a football stadium, end of story. If you bring one in then you deserve to be banned for a good length of time.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2023 20:38:45 GMT 1
I’m really fed up of people enjoying themselves. Like many of our tedious fans I’d much rather we all turn up, sit down and be quiet. There’s no room in football for atmosphere, tribalism, colour, enjoyment, displays of passion or emotion. Thank god most of the stadium sit in silence then moan at everything instead of getting behind the team. I enjoy myself without bringing a pyro in. I stood, chanted and supported my team on Saturday, but on no occasion have I felt like breaking the law and throwing a flair.
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Post by Worthingshrew on Jan 17, 2023 20:39:32 GMT 1
Pyro’s are illegal in a football stadium, end of story. If you bring one in then you deserve to be banned for a good length of time. Yes, the fact they make be legal on the continent is irrelevant.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 17, 2023 21:01:32 GMT 1
I’m really fed up of people enjoying themselves. Like many of our tedious fans I’d much rather we all turn up, sit down and be quiet. There’s no room in football for atmosphere, tribalism, colour, enjoyment, displays of passion or emotion. Thank god most of the stadium sit in silence then moan at everything instead of getting behind the team. I'm not a killjoy but on a serious note why dont you contact the club as ask if something official could not be set up for when town score , I'd be all over that
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Post by staffordshrew on Jan 17, 2023 23:27:25 GMT 1
Was just going to post the same, an official pyro display, like they do at big sporting occasions.
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Post by block12massive on Jan 18, 2023 9:37:44 GMT 1
We've had this discussion before and I suggested 'cold flares' and an organised display as used in other countries and this was shot down.
Seems its a burning issue that won't go away.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 18, 2023 10:40:58 GMT 1
We've had this discussion before and I suggested 'cold flares' and an organised display as used in other countries and this was shot down. Seems its a burning issue that won't go away. i remember wolves doing it once , a safe organised pyro display someone got injured
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Post by block12massive on Jan 18, 2023 10:47:15 GMT 1
We've had this discussion before and I suggested 'cold flares' and an organised display as used in other countries and this was shot down. Seems its a burning issue that won't go away. i remember wolves doing it once , a safe organised pyro display someone got injured Yeah I remember that too some years ago. Against Newcastle if I recall. They've obviously upped their game as this is what it's like now. (or was a few years back, presume they still do it)
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Post by Pilch on Jan 18, 2023 10:56:20 GMT 1
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Post by Pilch on Jan 18, 2023 11:23:43 GMT 1
I've added a little bit of pyro to the main page, should delight several fans ;-)
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Post by staffordshrew on Jan 18, 2023 11:28:15 GMT 1
These days spectacular organised light shows don't have to involve "fireworks" heading off towards the crowd. It's high time some of the big sporting occasion (Wembley) type stuff filtered down to league matches.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jan 18, 2023 11:35:43 GMT 1
I've added a little bit of pyro to the main page, should delight several fans ;-) You sure it's safe, all those flashing lights? Was there no blue and amber one?
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Post by Pilch on Jan 18, 2023 11:47:56 GMT 1
I've added a little bit of pyro to the main page, should delight several fans ;-) You sure it's safe, all those flashing lights? Was there no blue and amber one? it was funny how the flare throw on saturday was yellow and not amber
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Post by staffordshrew on Jan 18, 2023 11:51:50 GMT 1
You sure it's safe, all those flashing lights? Was there no blue and amber one? it was funny how the flare throw on saturday was yellow and not amber I know what you mean. But it simply should have not been there, whatever colour.
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Post by davycrockett on Jan 18, 2023 13:14:41 GMT 1
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Post by Pilch on Jan 18, 2023 13:41:05 GMT 1
we could just hand out a few molotov cocktails on the way in , after all it's about fun 🤪
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Post by 250 on Jan 18, 2023 13:43:51 GMT 1
I presumed everyone was being searched going into the ground (as I was) but a steward told me during the game that they are not allowed to search children (he did not specify the age) and that is where he thought the devices were being smuggled in. There was a point when play was continuing with Burton attacking and smoke was billowing around Marosi and it would have been pretty annoying if it had obscured his vision and led to us conceding. This is how inconsistent it has all become, I was searched by a steward outside and told to remove the cap (dangerous missile?) from my water bottle I enquired as to a bin, he looked flummoxed and I was told to put it in my pocket and dispose of inside!!!?
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Post by mattmw on Jan 18, 2023 14:42:22 GMT 1
I don't really have any strong views on pyros, but judging by the clubs statement and wider authorities statements such as this from the Football Supporter Association it would seem only a matter of time before someone gets banned for using them at Town games thefsa.org.uk/news/flare-play-pyro-and-the-law/With the current Government plans to rightly crack down on the trouble makers in society like nurses and freezing pensioners from protesting, it seems only a matter time before football fans get targetted too. As the FSA article suggests I suspect most people letting off pyros are not intending to cause harm, and are attempting to inject some atmosphere into match day on a wet and cold February together with a little bit of youthful excitment. But the consequences of getting identified and prosecuted are pretty serious, and could impact on future work options. I think its sensible to make fans aware of these. 1 minutes of smoke filled excitment might well have long term consequences
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Post by frankwellshrews on Jan 18, 2023 16:31:13 GMT 1
I think a key driver of the use of pyro is what fans see as the sanitisation (gentrification?) of the spectator side of the sport. For that reason, "official" pyro displays are a non starter and miss the point entirely.
I do think authorities could meet fans halfway though through things like;
- increased work on more widespread safe standing/terracing (whilst recognising most town fans were housed in terracing on Saturday)
- more liberal approach to fan groups, more autonomy for fans in how certain areas of grounds are run
- looking at repealing alcohol in sight of the pitch rules
- support/subsidies from TV deals or the prem clubs etc for cheaper tickets. Subsidised travel even?
Throw some of those on the table and you might have some chips to bargain with in a conversation about discouraging fans from using pyro (and possibly on things like cocaine, which I believe is thought to be behind the increase in ****wittery at grounds recently. How much of that is down to the fact it's easy for fans to "top up their buzz" covertly with a quick bump in the stand and could you avoid that by just letting people carry a plastic cup of beer into the stand?)
Until we start to have those conversations though, things like pyro will continue to be a small but visible way for fans to thumb their nose at the way the game is being run and yes, I don't doubt somebody will get hurt eventually (despite the overall benign intentions of the vast majority of people taking pyro into grounds). The UK in general has a real habit of sticking its fingers in its ears and shouting "lalala" when faced with the facts that "the rules" aren't actually preventing things from happening. Time to change the approach.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 18, 2023 16:39:46 GMT 1
I think a key driver of the use of pyro is what fans see as the sanitisation (gentrification?) of the spectator side of the sport. For that reason, "official" pyro displays are a non starter and miss the point entirely. I do think authorities could meet fans halfway though through things like; - increased work on more widespread safe standing/terracing (whilst recognising most town fans were housed in terracing on Saturday) - more liberal approach to fan groups, more autonomy for fans in how certain areas of grounds are run - looking at repealing alcohol in sight of the pitch rules - support/subsidies from TV deals or the prem clubs etc for cheaper tickets. Subsidised travel even? Throw some of those on the table and you might have some chips to bargain with in a conversation about discouraging fans from using pyro (and possibly on things like cocaine, which I believe is thought to be behind the increase in ****wittery at grounds recently. How much of that is down to the fact it's easy for fans to "top up their buzz" covertly with a quick bump in the stand and could you avoid that by just letting people carry a plastic cup of beer into the stand?) Until we start to have those conversations though, things like pyro will continue to be a small but visible way for fans to thumb their nose at the way the game is being run and yes, I don't doubt somebody will get hurt eventually (despite the overall benign intentions of the vast majority of people taking pyro into grounds). The UK in general has a real habit of sticking its fingers in its ears and shouting "lalala" when faced with the facts that "the rules" aren't actually preventing thongs from happening. Time to change the approach. when you say meet halfway, it sounds more like the unrealistic demands a hijacker makes , maybe they could just send you a pizza ;-)
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Post by frankwellshrews on Jan 18, 2023 16:42:34 GMT 1
As an aside, the only place I've seen with as strict (stricter, in fact) rules on pyro etc than England is el Campin stadium in Bogota, home to Millonarios and Santa Fe.
Still an unbelievably hostile environment for the away team though. Not seen a Santa Fe game but the Millos support (as well as the altitude to be fair) must be worth an extra 10 - 15 points a season. When you compare the problems they have there with us, the police state seems somewhat justified in Bogota but I can't help but feel we overreact in this country.
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