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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 26, 2021 9:49:07 GMT 1
Andy Furey, CWU’s national officer for postmasters, said: “Our union is demanding that Paula Vennells, the former CEO, be stripped of her CBE – which was awarded to her for services to the Post Office in 2019 – for her part in this scandal.
“We also demand a criminal investigation against those who put loyal, decent workers in this diabolical situation.
“Many senior figures who are complicit in this scandal will now want to run from this situation, but we must not let that happen.
“Heads must roll for the humiliation and misery inflicted on decent, upstanding people who were simply providing much-needed local services and were pillars of their local communities.
“It will be only when justice is done that the suffering of so many can be mended and these decent, loyal postmasters can get real closure "Andy Furey, CWU’s national officer for postmasters, said: “Our union is demanding that Paula Vennells, the former CEO, be stripped of her CBE – which was awarded to her for services to the Post Office in 2019 – for her part in this scandal.
“We also demand a criminal investigation against those who put loyal, decent workers in this diabolical situation.
“Many senior figures who are complicit in this scandal will now want to run from this situation, but we must not let that happen.
“Heads must roll for the humiliation and misery inflicted on decent, upstanding people who were simply providing much-needed local services and were pillars of their local communities.
“It will be only when justice is done that the suffering of so many can be mended and these decent, loyal postmasters can get real closure"
on BBC news this morning Paula Vennells apolagised and was wanting to be part of any futur enquiery , that should not be allowed to happen “Many senior figures who are complicit in this scandal will now want to run from this situation, but we must not let that happen.
the union sumed up fopr me what should happen but never does look at all the nhs scandels no senior manager has been punished
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Post by armchairfan on Apr 26, 2021 11:31:51 GMT 1
If she’d got one shred of decency she’d give it up. Here comes that shred of decency, her being a priest I suppose. Shame she backed a computer system over loyal decent people. I don't profess to understand all the details of this case, but it is, to me, symptomatic of the ever-increasing reliance upon a perceived infallibility of IT systems, when, given that such systems are of human design, infallibility is not, nor ever can be, an attribute; ok, I accept that such a view is typical of a "technophobe", but when all is said and done, IT systems are mere tools, and require the human guidance and judgement, which appear to have been sadly lacking in this case. The lady concerned has begun to do the right thing, but it remains, philosophically a veritable can of worms.
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 26, 2021 12:27:10 GMT 1
Here comes that shred of decency, her being a priest I suppose. Shame she backed a computer system over loyal decent people. I don't profess to understand all the details of this case, but it is, to me, symptomatic of the ever-increasing reliance upon a perceived infallibility of IT systems, when, given that such systems are of human design, infallibility is not, nor ever can be, an attribute; ok, I accept that such a view is typical of a "technophobe", but when all is said and done, IT systems are mere tools, and require the human guidance and judgement, which appear to have been sadly lacking in this case. The lady concerned has begun to do the right thing, but it remains, philosophically a veritable can of worms. Spot on old chap. I note that the prejudices in Artificial Intelligence seem to be the latest example of tech infallibility - if it's designed by humans it has the chance of being flawed, we all just have to remember that.
Seems so simple to check too - a priest should have the compassion and sense to think something was amiss when loads of trusted Subpostmasters suddenly seemed to become embezzlers.
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Post by armchairfan on Apr 26, 2021 13:18:34 GMT 1
I don't profess to understand all the details of this case, but it is, to me, symptomatic of the ever-increasing reliance upon a perceived infallibility of IT systems, when, given that such systems are of human design, infallibility is not, nor ever can be, an attribute; ok, I accept that such a view is typical of a "technophobe", but when all is said and done, IT systems are mere tools, and require the human guidance and judgement, which appear to have been sadly lacking in this case. The lady concerned has begun to do the right thing, but it remains, philosophically a veritable can of worms. Spot on old chap. I note that the prejudices in Artificial Intelligence seem to be the latest example of tech infallibility - if it's designed by humans it has the chance of being flawed, we all just have to remember that.
Seems so simple to check too - a priest should have the compassion and sense to think something was amiss when loads of trusted Subpostmasters suddenly seemed to become embezzlers.
Absolutely so - as far as I know, it isn't yet possible to imprint onto these machines the concept of "judgment", and even the esteemed science-fiction author, Isaac Asimov ( arguably the father of our modern approach to robots) wrestled with this problem, using the ethical and moral conundrums as a set-up for his stories. All good fun, for the moment, but these are issues requiring great thought in the future, as technology advances.
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Post by northwestman on Apr 26, 2021 18:15:11 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/business/2021/apr/26/post-office-paula-vennells-quits-morrisons-dunelm-boardsRev Paula Vennells, the former head of the Post Office, has resigned from the boards of the supermarket chain Morrisons and retailer Dunelm after the court of appeal quashed the wrongful convictions of dozens of staff at her former employer. Vennells has also stepped back from her duties as a minister at the Church of St Owen near Bedford, in the diocese of St Albans, calling the scandal a “distraction”. She has already quit roles with the NHS and Cabinet Office. Now remove her CBE!
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Post by ssshrew on Apr 26, 2021 20:18:13 GMT 1
Cheeky madam. It was far more than distraction to all the sub postmasters her organisation ignored. If a distraction is all she’s got to worry about then she’s one very lucky person.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 27, 2021 9:34:55 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/business/2021/apr/26/post-office-paula-vennells-quits-morrisons-dunelm-boardsRev Paula Vennells, the former head of the Post Office, has resigned from the boards of the supermarket chain Morrisons and retailer Dunelm after the court of appeal quashed the wrongful convictions of dozens of staff at her former employer. Vennells has also stepped back from her duties as a minister at the Church of St Owen near Bedford, in the diocese of St Albans, calling the scandal a “distraction”. She has already quit roles with the NHS and Cabinet Office. Now remove her CBE! she should be made to pay back the 400,000 she had when she left.
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Post by northwestman on Apr 27, 2021 10:46:43 GMT 1
The Bishop of St Albans – whose mother was a subpostmaster – considered defrocking the former Post Office boss almost a year ago, it has emerged.
Paula Vennells announced that she would be leaving her post as an associate minister in the diocese of St Albans in the wake of a Court of Appeal ruling which cleared 39 sub-postmasters of any wrongdoing.
As she announced she was stepping back, the Bishop of St Albans revealed that he had a personal connection to the case as his mother had run a Post Office, and has expressed his “distress” at the Horizon scandal.
It has now emerged that the Rt Rev Alan Smith legal advice on whether Ms Vennells could be removed in June last year, but formed the view that despite her role as chief executive he could not “simply impute” to her the failures of the organisation.
Daily Telegraph.
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 27, 2021 11:33:08 GMT 1
The Bishop of St Albans – whose mother was a subpostmaster – considered defrocking the former Post Office boss almost a year ago, it has emerged. Paula Vennells announced that she would be leaving her post as an associate minister in the diocese of St Albans in the wake of a Court of Appeal ruling which cleared 39 sub-postmasters of any wrongdoing. As she announced she was stepping back, the Bishop of St Albans revealed that he had a personal connection to the case as his mother had run a Post Office, and has expressed his “distress” at the Horizon scandal. It has now emerged that the Rt Rev Alan Smith legal advice on whether Ms Vennells could be removed in June last year, but formed the view that despite her role as chief executive he could not “simply impute” to her the failures of the organisation. Daily Telegraph. So it's her another year to do the decent thing and go?
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Post by northwestman on Apr 27, 2021 11:51:20 GMT 1
The Bishop of St Albans – whose mother was a subpostmaster – considered defrocking the former Post Office boss almost a year ago, it has emerged. Paula Vennells announced that she would be leaving her post as an associate minister in the diocese of St Albans in the wake of a Court of Appeal ruling which cleared 39 sub-postmasters of any wrongdoing. As she announced she was stepping back, the Bishop of St Albans revealed that he had a personal connection to the case as his mother had run a Post Office, and has expressed his “distress” at the Horizon scandal. It has now emerged that the Rt Rev Alan Smith legal advice on whether Ms Vennells could be removed in June last year, but formed the view that despite her role as chief executive he could not “simply impute” to her the failures of the organisation. Daily Telegraph. So it's her another year to do the decent thing and go? Yes. Plus resigning from Dunelm and Morrisons. But not until after the Court of Appeal decision last week.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Apr 27, 2021 12:01:17 GMT 1
No doubt "Lessons will be learned".......
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 27, 2021 14:16:01 GMT 1
No doubt "Lessons will be learned"....... the stock phrase after a major mess from the nhs, social services & the goverment
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Post by northwestman on Apr 27, 2021 14:38:20 GMT 1
I want to learn how to have a job at the NHS, Cabinet Office, Dunelm, Morrisons and the Church of England all at the same time.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 27, 2021 14:42:36 GMT 1
I want to learn how to have a job at the NHS, Cabinet Office, Dunelm, Morrisons and the Church of England all at the same time. i want to know how so many senior post keep been given to people who make an absolute mess of things yet keep getting well paind goverment jobs
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Post by ssshrew on Apr 27, 2021 20:05:26 GMT 1
It’s not what you know but who you know it would seem.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 27, 2021 20:07:45 GMT 1
It’s not what you know but who you know it would seem. with this goverment very much so
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 27, 2021 22:09:28 GMT 1
I want to learn how to have a job at the NHS, Cabinet Office, Dunelm, Morrisons and the Church of England all at the same time. Divine Providence: It's not what you know, it's knowing the Big Man. Keep busy, the devil makes work for idle hands.
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Post by northwestman on May 1, 2021 11:16:13 GMT 1
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Post by ssshrew on May 1, 2021 11:25:11 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9531291/The-Class-hypocrite-5m-wages-sin.htmlArticle on Vennells which surprisingly makes no mention of her non executive board membership of the Cabinet Office, from which she has now resigned. Mrs Vennells had quit as Post Office chief executive just before a damning court ruling in 2019. She then became chairman of Imperial College NHS Trust and Baroness Harding, chairman of NHS Improvement, headed the panel that judged Mrs Vennells a 'fit and proper' person. It was later announced she would leave the role 'for personal reasons'. Your bold and underlined name says all we need to know about the calibre of the interviewing panel!
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Post by northwestman on May 1, 2021 11:39:10 GMT 1
Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster and Minister for the Cabinet Office, David Lidington, appointed Paula Vennells CBE as a Non-Executive Board Member for the Cabinet Office.(February 7th 2019)
She was appointed for a three year period, providing independent advice, support and scrutiny. She worked with officials and ministers on official Cabinet Office business including the work on EU Exit and the running of government.
Methinks they'd now like to airbrush her involvement out!
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Post by ssshrew on May 1, 2021 11:51:42 GMT 1
Pity she didn’t use her scrutiny credentials in the Post Office then.
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Post by northwestman on May 1, 2021 12:26:23 GMT 1
The chairman of Morrisons, Andrew Higginson, said: "Paula has been an insightful, effective and hardworking non-executive director, and, on behalf of the Board, I want to thank her for her significant contribution over the last five years."
What a disgraceful and self serving comment to make. Surely it would have been a bit more honest given what was going on at the Post Office, to say it was was a mistake to appoint her as a non-exec director back in 2016?
Dunelm's chairman Andy Harrison said: "We respect Paula's decision to step down from the Board and I would like to thank her for the positive contribution she has made to the business since her appointment in September 2019."
Another vomit inducing comment.
She is also stepping down from her duties as an ordained Church of England minister. No doubt to spend more time praying for forgiveness.
Where is the accountability? Not just for Paula Vennels but for the rest of the Post Office leadership team who must have been complicit in sending innocent people to jail.
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 1, 2021 13:37:00 GMT 1
The chairman of Morrisons, Andrew Higginson, said: "Paula has been an insightful, effective and hardworking non-executive director, and, on behalf of the Board, I want to thank her for her significant contribution over the last five years." What a disgraceful and self serving comment to make. Surely it would have been a bit more honest given what was going on at the Post Office, to say it was was a mistake to appoint her as a non-exec director back in 2016? Dunelm's chairman Andy Harrison said: "We respect Paula's decision to step down from the Board and I would like to thank her for the positive contribution she has made to the business since her appointment in September 2019." Another vomit inducing comment. She is also stepping down from her duties as an ordained Church of England minister. No doubt to spend more time praying for forgiveness. Where is the accountability? Not just for Paula Vennels but for the rest of the Post Office leadership team who must have been complicit in sending innocent people to jail. out of the many enquiriys have we had were , police social services or the nhs have made major errors in the last 20 years, how many senior managers /directors have been sacked , demoted or been made to pay back there lump sum they recived ? im struggling to remeber any even after a damming inquiry of Stafford hospital which is viewd as the biggest nhs scandal
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Post by northwestman on May 1, 2021 13:59:02 GMT 1
The chairman of Morrisons, Andrew Higginson, said: "Paula has been an insightful, effective and hardworking non-executive director, and, on behalf of the Board, I want to thank her for her significant contribution over the last five years." What a disgraceful and self serving comment to make. Surely it would have been a bit more honest given what was going on at the Post Office, to say it was was a mistake to appoint her as a non-exec director back in 2016? Dunelm's chairman Andy Harrison said: "We respect Paula's decision to step down from the Board and I would like to thank her for the positive contribution she has made to the business since her appointment in September 2019." Another vomit inducing comment. She is also stepping down from her duties as an ordained Church of England minister. No doubt to spend more time praying for forgiveness. Where is the accountability? Not just for Paula Vennels but for the rest of the Post Office leadership team who must have been complicit in sending innocent people to jail. out of the many enquiriys have we had were , police social services or the nhs have made major errors in the last 20 years, how many senior managers /directors have been sacked , demoted or been made to pay back there lump sum they recived ? im struggling to remeber any even after a damming inquiry of Stafford hospital which is viewd as the biggest nhs scandal They tried to sack Haringey Children's Services Boss, Sharon Shoesmith after the Baby P scandal. That didn't go well. Unfair dismissal and over £600,000 damages. www.human-law.co.uk/_cmroot/human-law.co.uk/blog/2014/07/how-did-sharon-shoesmith-obtain-so-much-damages.aspx
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Post by Minormorris64 on Jun 2, 2021 10:17:00 GMT 1
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Post by northwestman on Jul 25, 2021 19:48:52 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9823117/Ex-Post-Office-boss-Paula-Vennells-stripped-CBE-amid-government-review.htmlThe disgraced former Post Office chief blamed for pursuing a £90million court case against her own staff could be stripped of her CBE under a Government review, it has been reported. Ministers are said to be looking at launching a probe into the Horizon sub postmasters scandal. It could ultimately see ex-boss chief executive Paula Vennells stripped of her 2019 honour, reports the Telegraph. The scandal saw hundreds of innocent Post Office staff sacked, bankrupted or wrongly convicted after cash appeared to vanish from their tills because of a computer glitch. Ms Vennells was awarded the CBE in the 2019 New Year's Honour's list 'for services to the Post Office and to charity'.
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Post by davycrockett on Jul 25, 2021 19:55:47 GMT 1
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 12, 2024 17:44:36 GMT 1
'Adam Crozier, former chief executive of Royal Mail, said he didn't know his company was responsible for prosecuting sub-postmasters He told the inquiry: "I do not recall having involvement in or knowledge of the oversight of the investigations and prosecutions” Earlier, former Post Office managing director Alan Cook also said he didn't realise the Post Office itself brought prosecutions'
Weren't these people paid to know what's going on in their organisation's name? Maybe they should consider paying back their renumeration for their time in office?
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Post by ThrobsBlackHat on Apr 12, 2024 17:54:50 GMT 1
It seems a very strange defence that.
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Post by ssshrew on Apr 12, 2024 18:03:28 GMT 1
Doesn’t matter whether he allegedly knew or not, as always the buck stops at the top,
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