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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2020 10:34:10 GMT 1
Are the posts earlier calling the Chinese " dirty feckers" really acceptable for this board? There is the facility to report the posts concerned.
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Post by frankwellshrews on Feb 26, 2020 10:41:00 GMT 1
Are the posts earlier calling the Chinese really acceptable for this board? There is the facility to report the posts concerned. Never knew that, thank you. Will do so now.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Feb 26, 2020 10:58:03 GMT 1
www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/birchgrove-comprehensive-school-trip-coronavirus-17814000"111 pupils and staff at Birchgrove Comprehensive School have recently returned from a ski visit to Bormio.However the school has told parents that their children must attend school as normal unless showing "flu like symptoms". This is in line with official advice from the UK Government which says anyone returning from an area of Northern Italy not part of the specific lockdown areas of the country, should stay indoors and avoid contact with other people only if they show symptoms, however mild. It says they do not need to follow this advice if they have no symptoms." this goverment advice makes no sense to me , the incubation period is 14 days and you are infectious during that period and will not show symptoms. so potentially some of the pupils will have it , they may hten infect other pupils who did not go and on it spreads. in sharp contrast New Zealand banned all flights from china on feb 2 apart from returning New Zealand citizens , they went into monitored self isolation and currently New Zealand have no confirmed cases of the coronavirus.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Feb 26, 2020 11:05:43 GMT 1
I've changed the post from earlier. Please report such things to the mods as we don't read all posts and see everything. I guess if you so wish you can now edit or delete your own posts regarding the earlier post.👍
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Post by Pilch on Feb 26, 2020 12:01:49 GMT 1
There is somebody in quarantine here in our very own county town, too. All very hush hush at the moment in the UK though. On a slight tangent, are we just going to leave the comments above (about Chinese people) to stand? Not a good advert for the board or the town, particularly frustrating as the person writing them has zero connection to Shrewsbury as far as I can tell but a casual reader might not know that. Notable that the moderation here is quick to jump on personal agendas but quite happy to let racist rhetoric stand. why was it racist to suggest its dirty for certain people to eat bats ? and yet another cheap shot at me from you
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Post by shrewinjapan on Feb 26, 2020 12:52:13 GMT 1
There is somebody in quarantine here in our very own county town, too. All very hush hush at the moment in the UK though. On a slight tangent, are we just going to leave the comments above (about Chinese people) to stand? Not a good advert for the board or the town, particularly frustrating as the person writing them has zero connection to Shrewsbury as far as I can tell but a casual reader might not know that. Notable that the moderation here is quick to jump on personal agendas but quite happy to let racist rhetoric stand. why was it racist to suggest its dirty for certain people to eat bats ? Oh come now Pilch, that's a very sanitized take on what was posted. It didn't say that it was dirty for certain people to eat bats, rather it generalized that because some people ate bats the whole race/country were dirty so and sos (termed in a more abusive vernacular). Do you truly think those posts weren't racist?
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Post by Pilch on Feb 26, 2020 13:05:12 GMT 1
why was it racist to suggest its dirty for certain people to eat bats ? Oh come now Pilch, that's a very sanitized take on what was posted. It didn't say that it was dirty for certain people to eat bats, rather it generalized that because some people ate bats the whole race/country were dirty so and sos (termed in a more abusive vernacular). Do you truly think those posts weren't racist? I didnt think the post was racist at all or I would have moved it, I thought it was just uneducated and ignorant
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Post by frankwellshrews on Feb 26, 2020 13:38:58 GMT 1
Your fellow mod (and a number of other posters) disagreed. Incidentally, there's still a post with the original comment in up.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2020 19:19:46 GMT 1
What the ****.there are some very touchy people on this board,looking for any comment to have some kind of ism attached to it.I didn't mean to suggest all chinese people where dirty,though except it may have looked that way.always get the feeling I bring the tone of this board down.I have a farming and military background,and political correctness and being carefull what I say I've never been good at.that's no excuse i know.but I will be disabling my account,so my apparent rascism will no longer worry anyone.my parting shot though to the soft barstewards on here,get a ****ing life,a life where you experience danger,a life where you feel deep pain,a life where you learn to risk everything,for other's,and a life you don't take yourself to seriously,or other's.a lot of you on here are part of why our great country is falling apart,under fear of speaking one's mind and being frightened to have opinions incase some A******* may be offended by next to nothing.
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Post by vixenshrew on Feb 26, 2020 21:03:00 GMT 1
Not worried, not really taken much notice of it tbh, i tend not to really take much of the news headlines in Should I? No.i rarely watch any news these day's and feel more relaxed and happier for it. Blimey, we actually agree on something. I only read the footy pages of the sloppy star and I might catch a bit of the local news on occasion, but I find it better to live in oblivion to what’s going on in the world. I don’t trust the media anyway what they don’t know they make up.
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Post by shrewinjapan on Feb 27, 2020 5:36:20 GMT 1
What the ****.there are some very touchy people on this board,looking for any comment to have some kind of ism attached to it.I didn't mean to suggest all chinese people where dirty,though except it may have looked that way.always get the feeling I bring the tone of this board down.I have a farming and military background,and political correctness and being carefull what I say I've never been good at.that's no excuse i know.but I will be disabling my account,so my apparent rascism will no longer worry anyone.my parting shot though to the soft barstewards on here,get a ****ing life,a life where you experience danger,a life where you feel deep pain,a life where you learn to risk everything,for other's,and a life you don't take yourself to seriously,or other's.a lot of you on here are part of why our great country is falling apart,under fear of speaking one's mind and being frightened to have opinions incase some A******* may be offended by next to nothing. Here's a pretty easy guideline - if you call people, whether individuals, groups, nations or races " dirty feckers" it's likely to cause offence. If you didn't mean to cause offence but as you say you accept it may have come across differently than you intended, and that your lack of care or political correctness is as you say no excuse, then best not to then call those offended "A*******s". If you did intend to offend then clearly you're the A*******. Not into cancel culture, so I would rather you just take on board how it looks to others rather than deleting your account. Nobody is going to hold a grudge.
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Post by Pilch on Feb 27, 2020 10:10:14 GMT 1
all I'll say is, I've spoke to that chap, and clearly he's annoyed at being labelled racist when I dont think he was in the slightest , yes, not a good original post but we all have our moments on here, I'll left his rant as I want to show how he now feels , yes we had a member who was concerned about the post and correctly reported it, thanks to this person I can see his point but disagreed, by then stutty had edited anyway and we were moving on but again the real annoying thing here is along came my latest bane to smack the hornets nest with a stick and run
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Post by Pilch on Apr 9, 2020 11:28:53 GMT 1
remember this thread ?, it got locked after a bit of a spat, I still feel a little sorry about the chap who posted about the Chinese, he kind of had a point even if he made a bit of a mess in making it, and then he deleted his own account after the spat, I thought I'd bring it back just for the sake of it seeing as it was the first mention on B&A of the virus, I'm sure someone has something to say on the matter
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 9, 2020 11:40:02 GMT 1
www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/birchgrove-comprehensive-school-trip-coronavirus-17814000"111 pupils and staff at Birchgrove Comprehensive School have recently returned from a ski visit to Bormio.However the school has told parents that their children must attend school as normal unless showing "flu like symptoms". This is in line with official advice from the UK Government which says anyone returning from an area of Northern Italy not part of the specific lockdown areas of the country, should stay indoors and avoid contact with other people only if they show symptoms, however mild. It says they do not need to follow this advice if they have no symptoms." this goverment advice makes no sense to me , the incubation period is 14 days and you are infectious during that period and will not show symptoms. so potentially some of the pupils will have it , they may hten infect other pupils who did not go and on it spreads. in sharp contrast New Zealand banned all flights from china on feb 2 apart from returning New Zealand citizens , they went into monitored self isolation and currently New Zealand have no confirmed cases of the coronavirus. Hidden away on this forgotten thread is one of the early Government mistakes. Why didn't we isolate all the school kids returning from Italy unless they were showing symptoms? Why didn't we have anyone returning from a Coronvirus affected area in 2 week isolation?
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Post by Pilch on Apr 9, 2020 11:53:56 GMT 1
www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/birchgrove-comprehensive-school-trip-coronavirus-17814000"111 pupils and staff at Birchgrove Comprehensive School have recently returned from a ski visit to Bormio.However the school has told parents that their children must attend school as normal unless showing "flu like symptoms". This is in line with official advice from the UK Government which says anyone returning from an area of Northern Italy not part of the specific lockdown areas of the country, should stay indoors and avoid contact with other people only if they show symptoms, however mild. It says they do not need to follow this advice if they have no symptoms." this goverment advice makes no sense to me , the incubation period is 14 days and you are infectious during that period and will not show symptoms. so potentially some of the pupils will have it , they may hten infect other pupils who did not go and on it spreads. in sharp contrast New Zealand banned all flights from china on feb 2 apart from returning New Zealand citizens , they went into monitored self isolation and currently New Zealand have no confirmed cases of the coronavirus. Hidden away on this forgotten thread is one of the early Government mistakes. Why didn't we isolate all the school kids returning from Italy unless they were showing symptoms? Why didn't we have anyone returning from a Coronvirus affected area in 2 week isolation? my uncle came back from Italy (skiing) around the same time and did isolate for 2 weeks without symptoms
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Post by Pilch on Apr 9, 2020 12:02:53 GMT 1
I did get this text from my doctors on 13th Feb
If you have a cough, fever or shortness of breath and have been to any of the following places in the last 14 days: China, Thailand, Japan, Republic of Korea, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Singapore, Malaysia or Macau or have been in contact with someone confirmed having Coronavirus you may be at risk of Coronavirus. Please do NOT leave the house, instead ring 111. Thank you South Hermitage Surgery
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 9, 2020 12:06:55 GMT 1
Hidden away on this forgotten thread is one of the early Government mistakes. Why didn't we isolate all the school kids returning from Italy unless they were showing symptoms? Why didn't we have anyone returning from a Coronvirus affected area in 2 week isolation? my uncle came back from Italy (skiing) around that time and did isolate for 2 weeks without symptoms He wasn't advised to by government though? Why not, there is only one path that stops transmission, the cautious path.
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Post by Pilch on Apr 9, 2020 12:18:58 GMT 1
my uncle came back from Italy (skiing) around that time and did isolate for 2 weeks without symptoms He wasn't advised to by government though? Why not, there is only one path that stops transmission, the cautious path. imagine if we'd locked down back in feb , not only might it have prevented all this but the argument would now be all about overkill, over reactions and how its put people and business's out of work catch 22 fact is no one in the world really saw this coming to the extent it has its no good sitting here in April with months on hindsight backing up the questions even on this thread our resident nurse kind of laughed it off
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Post by northwestman on Apr 9, 2020 12:27:55 GMT 1
He wasn't advised to by government though? Why not, there is only one path that stops transmission, the cautious path. imagine if we'd locked down back in feb , not only might it have prevented all this but the argument would now be all about overkill, over reactions and how its put people and business's out of work catch 22 fact is no one in the world really saw this coming to the extent it has its no good sitting here in April with months on hindsight backing up the questions even on this thread our resident nurse kind of laughed it off It would have spared us the results against Liverpool, Accrington, Tranmere and Oxford though!
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Post by Pilch on Apr 9, 2020 12:42:33 GMT 1
I think we should concentrate on what I've not seen any mention of yet. ( im sure someone will provide several links in a sec )
I think mobile phones are the biggest spread of this virus
I don't mean this 5g cr@p but I think people are too complacent , we handle our phones all day and then put it near our face
you might be safe when out and about taking precautions, you get home, shower, change, wash your hands and then get out your phone, which you touched earlier and forgot to wipe, which now has the virus on it waiting to pounce
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Post by zenfootball2 on Apr 9, 2020 13:00:24 GMT 1
He wasn't advised to by government though? Why not, there is only one path that stops transmission, the cautious path. imagine if we'd locked down back in feb , not only might it have prevented all this but the argument would now be all about overkill, over reactions and how its put people and business's out of work catch 22 fact is no one in the world really saw this coming to the extent it has its no good sitting here in April with months on hindsight backing up the questions even on this thread our resident nurse kind of laughed it off the WHO held aa meeting towards the end of january and decided not to impose travel restrictions at that time 10,000 chinese were infected and there was 200 deaths.31st january italy had its first case when a chinese couple arrived from whuan . feb 2 New Zealand imposed a travel ban from china and look to be heading to a stage were they will soon be phasing out lockdown restrictions. in contrast Sars was made a pandemic much erlier
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 9, 2020 13:37:52 GMT 1
He wasn't advised to by government though? Why not, there is only one path that stops transmission, the cautious path. imagine if we'd locked down back in feb , not only might it have prevented all this but the argument would now be all about overkill, over reactions and how its put people and business's out of work catch 22 fact is no one in the world really saw this coming to the extent it has its no good sitting here in April with months on hindsight backing up the questions even on this thread our resident nurse kind of laughed it off The problem is that this is not with the benefit of hindsight, there are dates when things should have been done. Just after Half Term, when some were returning from skiing holidays in Italy and self isolating due to symptoms, people like zenfootball were asking why everyone returning from affected areas wasn't asked to self isolate. Then Professor Whitty said on March 4: 'At this point in time we think it is likely, not definite, that we will move into onward transmission and an epidemic here in the UK.' That was the time to do everything possible, as we did a couple of weeks later, to keep it "likely".
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Post by venceremos on Apr 9, 2020 14:16:13 GMT 1
Interesting to see this was the first reference to the virus on B&A. I went to Portugal on the same day (2 Feb) and bought a copy of the New Statesman for the flight. This was for the week beginning 31 Jan, so the articles would have been written a few days earlier. Anyway, there's a piece "How dangerous is coronavirus?", written by Professor Michael Barrett, a specialist in biochemical parasitology at Glasgow University.
He compared "the Wuhan virus (2019-nCoV)" to Sars (severe acute respiratory syndrome virus, which emerged in southern China) and Mers (Middle East respiratory syndrome virus, first identified in Saudi Arabia). Sars (10% death rate) and Mers (33% death rate) were far more lethal but much less virulent.
Conversely, H1N1 "swine flu" spread to up to 20% of the world's population but its death rate was similar to normal annual flu death rates of 0.02% (1 in 5,000).
More terrifying are the H5N1 and H7N9 "bird flu" viruses from 2003 and 2013. H5N1 killed 60% but had only 893 victims because it isn't readily transmissible between humans.
A mutated, hybrid virus, combining the hyper-virulence of H5N1 with the easy-spreading of H1N1 would be catastrophic - "millions will die fairly swiftly should that virus be born".
By 27 January, Prof Barrett was quoting a 3% death rate for Covid-19 and wrote that "it seems inevitable the spread will continue, and lessons learned from previous pandemics should be put in place now." However, he calls the Chinese response "extraordinary", in the way its scientists used genetic sequencing techniques to identify the virus in only 9 days, the introduction of travel bans, erecting field hospitals in days, galvanising medical help, mandatory mask-wearing etc.
There's no doubt we in the UK (and elsewhere in the west) were slow to react, perhaps because we hadn't really had recent, direct experience of pandemics from which to learn and had chosen (consciously or by neglect) not to learn from those who had and perhaps because there seems little doubt that "herd immunity" was regarded as a viable strategy for too long.
To end on an optimistic note, Prof Barrett concluded that we should remember our capacity to intervene and that "we can be confident that the apocalypse isn't here just yet."
That may seem contradictory given the subsequent lockdown disruption and, more importantly, the horrible suffering and deaths currently being experienced, but hopefully the final big picture view will be that the virus could have spread more widely or mutated into something even worse.
Surely this experience is proving beyond doubt that such viruses are the source of our greatest existential threat and not other humans of a different colour, nationality or religion. We must never forget that.
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