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Post by salop27 on Oct 22, 2019 23:10:39 GMT 1
Just a few observations from the game. Edwards did more in his time on the pitch then Laurent did all game and who in the squad is pressurising the wing backs for there place in the team? I don't think Giles is much of a defender while Love is the opposite, not much of an attacker. We have some good players but Ricketts doesn't seem a good enough coach. For Saturday I'd start Edwards and start Whalley as wing back and bench Love.
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Post by martinshrew on Oct 22, 2019 23:10:55 GMT 1
The formation and the players aren't the problem. It's the lack of tempo, the lack of attacking intend, the lack of sustained pressure. People will start drifting away from this eventually. 100%, we need to transition from defence to attack 10x quicker. We set up like Wolves, we may as well try to emulate their attacking bursts rather than the continued sideways, backwards, forwards, sideways, sideways, back to keeper ...
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Post by Pilch on Oct 22, 2019 23:20:08 GMT 1
The formation and the players aren't the problem. It's the lack of tempo, the lack of attacking intend, the lack of sustained pressure. People will start drifting away from this eventually. 100%, we need to transition from defence to attack 10x quicker. We set up like Wolves, we may as well try to emulate their attacking bursts rather than the continued sideways, backwards, forwards, sideways, sideways, back to keeper ... I get the picture
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Post by Exkeeper on Oct 22, 2019 23:20:20 GMT 1
The formation and the players aren't the problem. It's the lack of tempo, the lack of attacking intend, the lack of sustained pressure. People will start drifting away from this eventually. Whilst broadly agreeing with you, the players were a problem in as much as some of their first touches were abysmal and many passes, both long and short were woeful. Decent Sunday League players can control a ball with one touch and find the feet of a team mate with a pass along the ground. Why the hell do our centre backs hit long, high balls towards our strikers who probably have to look up to a garden gnome?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2019 23:39:23 GMT 1
Nigh on every time we played the ball forwards tonight we lost it.
Every one of our most potent attacks came from recycling the ball and passing into the spare man in space.
Giles and Williams were embarrassingly poor tonight and id highly consider dropping both.
Thompson should be given a start. Id like to see walker given a shot in the back 3.
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Post by Mortgagehound on Oct 23, 2019 0:02:03 GMT 1
We don’t want to burst forward and run at defenders. We did it once in the first with a great run from Laurent through the middle which nearly created a goal for Cummings
Too slow Too ponderous Too many balls played behind a player or across and then back across Nobody wanting to dribble or attack with the ball
As Mr Radcliffe used to say ‘we weren’t at the races tonight’
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Post by thesensationaljt on Oct 23, 2019 0:03:33 GMT 1
Thompson is a talent for sure. As for Walker, I'd play him in defensive role, about 10 yards behind the keeper.
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Post by venceremos on Oct 23, 2019 0:42:03 GMT 1
Man of the match - Dave Edwards, who came on after 73 minutes. Says it all.
Goss was far too cautious when he wasn't being far too casual, Okenabirhie spent the evening giving away free kicks and the back three are too reluctant to bring the ball out of defence (when Pierre did late on, he set up a good attack).
Goss and Norburn duplicate each other and we don't need both playing so deep with a back 3 behind them - against Gillingham, who were as toothless in attack as us!
Giles can't defend, as the penalty demonstrated. He has a couple of bright spots in a game but his displays have been far too inconsistent. The credit from that opening day goal has well and truly run dry and he needs to produce much more or we should think of a replacement.
I think Love has been one of our best players this season but we might as well play Whalley as a wing back instead if we're going to continue with a back 3. That said, I'm really not convinced we have the players for 3-5-2. Ricketts won't do it but I'd be thinking of swapping Golbourne for Giles and dropping one of the back 3 (Williams on tonight's showing) to switch to 4-3-3. I wouldn't do that against Sunderland - likely to need 5 at the back at times - but against teams like Gillingham I'd try it.
Tonight was simply tedious.
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Post by thesensationaljt on Oct 23, 2019 0:51:39 GMT 1
I would 100% play Love against Sunderland. Their fans hate him, so that makes him a great player in my book.
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Post by Dale on Oct 23, 2019 6:21:04 GMT 1
Giles I feel is basically a left sided Jack Grimmer, exciting to watch going forward but defensively all over the shop at times.
The midfield three of Laurent, Goss and Norburn is too negative and simply not working, I’d expect Edwards to start against Sunderland but my Swindon supporting friend tells me Thompson is a quality player so I’d expect him to get a bit more game time soon if what he says is correct, as for McCormick, I guess he will be sent back to Chelsea in January, no point being here if he is only going to play for the reserves.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Oct 23, 2019 6:59:29 GMT 1
I gather the idea is that Giles and Love offer the width and the chance to get the ball wide and forward. That just didn't happen first half and only started to come about into the second half when we did finally managed to get the ball out to Giles a number of times and he was able to get the ball across. No surprise that is where the goal came from as it did look our best chance to cause them trouble and get a goal. On the other side it took until the 90th minute to get the ball to Love in a position to cross and we saw two in quick succession (one that I think Edwards will be disappointed he didn't score with). So if that is the idea then it really isn't working (I mean if we have any desire to win more than we are). Gillingham weren't up to much at all but they were pretty much able to keep us at arms length with ease. It was a pretty awful game of football to watch.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Oct 23, 2019 8:00:56 GMT 1
we where boring ponderous and predictable, the poor first touch and awful distribution was embaressing and frustrating to watch.it must have been very frustrating for cummings and ferjeri instead of playing to there strength we played long high balls which they have virtually no chance of wining.the manatra on the training ground must be if in doubt pass it back and zero risk. what is the most frustrating is that the team are following ricketts instructions and playing his tactics that is not there fault ,having such poor ball control and distribution is.
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Post by Minormorris64 on Oct 23, 2019 8:17:45 GMT 1
It’s bad enough just listening to it. Tut tut, listening to it, even I was there and JT didn't blame the performance on me so they must have been bad
To sum up my first visit since January when Charlton embarrassed the Home team
To much sideways and back passing resulting in a far too predictable ball forward
No aggression, yet still picked up 5 yellow cards and it wasn't the Refs fault
Too ponderous all over the pitch, and the amount of misplaced passes short and long was shocking
Some of the alleged ball control from professionals playing on a pitch akin to a bowling green was atrocious
Good luck to the 186 souls who travelled from Gillingham to watch that
If Sunderland score in the first 10 minutes on Saturday.........................................
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Post by ssshrew on Oct 23, 2019 8:41:58 GMT 1
It’s bad enough just listening to it. Tut tut, listening to it, even I was there and JT didn't blame the performance on me so they must have been bad
To sum up my first visit since January when Charlton embarrassed the Home team
To much sideways and back passing resulting in a far too predictable ball forward
No aggression, yet still picked up 5 yellow cards and it wasn't the Refs fault
Too ponderous all over the pitch, and the amount of misplaced passes short and long was shocking
Some of the alleged ball control from professionals playing on a pitch akin to a bowling green was atrocious
Good luck to the 186 souls who travelled from Gillingham to watch that
If Sunderland score in the first 10 minutes on Saturday.........................................
...... the flood gates would open!!! Don’t I will be there on Saturday! We’ve relocated to Yorkshire and it will be a long journey just to see annihilation. Your report sounds much the radio so you have my sympathies. However, I see from JT that you all enjoyed a good gossip!
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Post by tdk on Oct 23, 2019 8:42:29 GMT 1
Poor performance, how much is down to Ricketts's cautious safety first approach I'm not sure. Not been impressed with his coaching and tactics so far.
1-0 down at home to a rubbish team and we consistently had 11 players in the penalty box for their corners.
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Post by camdenshrew on Oct 23, 2019 9:07:04 GMT 1
It was crying outfor us to go 4-3-3 in the second half, especially when Whalley came on, but as Ricketts said after the Fleetwood game, we don't really practice that. Whalley is one of our few players who can actually create and is at his most dangerous as a right winger.That's where his best moments last night came from. How many more times does the manager need to watch a game to see that he is not a central midfield player?
I'm also quite worried about the striker situation now with over two months to go to January. Down to our last two strikers last night after Udoh went off. Cummings still doesn't seem to be able to last a full match and Fey looks out of form. The Morison signing apears more and more like a poor decision, taking up a place which we sorely need.
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Post by Mortgagehound on Oct 23, 2019 9:07:09 GMT 1
As Mr Turner used to say ' if you cannot win the game make sure you dont lose it'
Mr Ricketts has adopted this mantra.......
We have drawn nearly 50% of our games so far so it could be a frustrating few months for the diehards
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Post by zenfootball2 on Oct 23, 2019 9:19:26 GMT 1
www.shropshirestar.com/sport/football/shrewsbury-town-fc/2019/09/14/comment-steve-morison-is-right-we-dont-understand-the-plans/“Myself watching Wales, and England the other night in the 5-3 game, we can all critique it, and say ‘why isn’t that player doing x, y or z?’ But you don’t know what the player has been asked to do. “That’s why it’s incredibly hard. Pundits on TV are exactly the same. It doesn’t matter how many games you’ve played, top, top pundits at top levels, they don’t know what a player has been asked to do.” Football is a game of opinions and, as fans and onlookers, we all think we see and know best. We all believe we have a basic understanding to grasp what we are watching. But, the truth is, as Morison explained in the oddly eye-opening clip, none of us ‘truly’ understand what Ricketts or any other manager or coach asked of players behind closed doors." whilst i understand that it feels disapointing and frustrating when we have such negative tactics at home against a poor team.
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Post by Pilch on Oct 23, 2019 10:06:52 GMT 1
Poor performance, how much is down to Ricketts's cautious safety first approach I'm not sure. Not been impressed with his coaching and tactics so far. 1-0 down at home to a rubbish team and we consistently had 11 players in the penalty box for their corners. They scored from a penalty , they attacked with 4 men several times so we had to deal with it and pretty much most teams bring everyone back for corners these days Perhaps booing more would help
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Post by aghabullogueshrew on Oct 23, 2019 10:24:20 GMT 1
Call me old fashioned, but I always liked 5 players attacking and 5 players defending. Unless you are Man City, who seem to attack with 8 players, then the 3-5-2 system we use should be perfect, if used correctly! You defend with your centre backs and two defensive midfielders and attack with one midfielder, the wingback said and forwards. To make this work we need to stop hoofing the long ball forward, get a defensive midfielder to bring the ball out and the wingbacks to bomb on. Also, the attacking midfielder should be roaming, moving from side to side behind the forwards. I would like Whalley or Edwards in this position.
We are a defensively minded team who grind out results, and we must accept this. I know some fans don't like Ricketts stylle, but be careful for you wish for! Look what happened to Stoke once they gave Pulis the bullet!
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Post by venceremos on Oct 23, 2019 10:43:00 GMT 1
It was crying outfor us to go 4-3-3 in the second half, especially when Whalley came on, but as Ricketts said after the Fleetwood game, we don't really practice that. Whalley is one of our few players who can actually create and is at his most dangerous as a right winger.That's where his best moments last night came from. How many more times does the manager need to watch a game to see that he is not a central midfield player?
I'm also quite worried about the striker situation now with over two months to go to January. Down to our last two strikers last night after Udoh went off. Cummings still doesn't seem to be able to last a full match and Fey looks out of form. The Morison signing apears more and more like a poor decision, taking up a place which we sorely need.
I can't say I saw too many "best moments" from Whalley last night but, as you say, he's not really adapted to being anything other than a wide player. Nothing wrong with that but I must say I also thought he might be able to play elsewhere. His wild shot over the bar was such a waste and he's looked like he couldn't hit the proverbial barn door for a long time now. The striker situation just shows how tough it can be for a manager. At the end of August there were people saying we had too many but who could know we'd lose 2 and perhaps 3 (hopefully not) in October? Disregard Whalley as a striker option and that would leave us with only two, neither of whom look to be in form. I think Ricketts has brought in some decent players but they don't seem to be suited to the system he wants to play. He has to resolve that. But individual players have to take responsibility for their own inability to pass or control the ball properly. There was far too much of that sloppiness last night and no tactics or formations can put that right.
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Post by tvor on Oct 23, 2019 10:49:06 GMT 1
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Post by aghabullogueshrew on Oct 23, 2019 10:50:02 GMT 1
OMG, I've just realised what's wrong with us, we've caught "incredibly boring West Midlands football' disease! Think about it, West Brom under Pulis, Wolves under McCarthy, Stoke under Hughes and Pulis (again) and now it's moving further west! But beware my friends, the cure is more painful than the disease! All these clubs were relegated once they got rid of there " dull" managers!
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Post by southstandviewer on Oct 23, 2019 11:56:14 GMT 1
Very disappointing performance from the team as a whole, I agree with most of the previous posts on a lack of attacking thrust and the quality passing. Whalley and Edwards actually gave a us a short spell of breaking midfield runs but it was too late in the day really if both had had 1/2 hr I think we would have won it.
There were 2 occasions in the second half where we did really well to win back the ball on the half way line just as Gills were really pushing forward, it was so obvious that they were going to be in real trouble if we pushed forward but no, both occasions we did not have the confidence or courage to go for it, this was prior to Whalley coming on had he been on then I'm confident he would have posed a bigger threat. (Scoring is another question).
On Giles' performance his movement after passing was non existent, so many times he layed it off and just stood and watched offering no option or distractions.
Fair play to Pierre he won most headers and 2 good runs at them but had little pressure in doing so.
No I didn't and don't boo ever. I prefer the silent treatment 🔷🔶🔷🔶🔷🔶
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Post by martinshrew on Oct 23, 2019 13:14:38 GMT 1
Poor performance, how much is down to Ricketts's cautious safety first approach I'm not sure. Not been impressed with his coaching and tactics so far. 1-0 down at home to a rubbish team and we consistently had 11 players in the penalty box for their corners. They scored from a penalty , they attacked with 4 men several times so we had to deal with it and pretty much most teams bring everyone back for corners these days Perhaps booing more would help They attacked with 10, we didn't. At least they were actually in the box to force a penalty?
Also, no team in the world would defend with 11 against 10 for a corner, most would leave at least 2 up.
In reference to your booing comment, you really do like to go on. You latch onto something then go on and on, really does get boring. Still trying to work out what somebody from block 19 did to you years back, must be something serious the amount of hate you have for block 19 as a whole.
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Post by frankwellshrews on Oct 23, 2019 13:33:53 GMT 1
To clarify, the fans only bood at the end of the half; other than that, the atmosphere was fairly supportive particularly when you consider the thin gruel being served up.
Booing is basically a mild rebuke to signify to players and management that the fans are unhappy with the performance. What do you expect them to do? Schedule a feedback session with HR or, better yet, wait for Sam's annual appraisal?
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Post by cheggersdrinkspop on Oct 23, 2019 13:37:28 GMT 1
Interesting to see that nobody seems to appreciate we were up against a Gillingham side who came here with a plan and have a manager, love him or hate him, is vastly experienced at this level of football. I thought they looked a good solid side, you can only play what's in front of you and sometimes it is better than us on the day. If only and should of are irrelevant at the end of the day and offer nothing of fact or value.
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Post by martinshrew on Oct 23, 2019 13:59:47 GMT 1
To clarify, the fans only bood at the end of the half; other than that, the atmosphere was fairly supportive particularly when you consider the thin gruel being served up. Booing is basically a mild rebuke to signify to players and management that the fans are unhappy with the performance. What do you expect them to do? Schedule a feedback session with HR or, better yet, wait for Sam's annual appraisal? Only a select few have feedback sessions with Ricketts. God knows what goes on in them, but most of them come out with undying support for Ricketts.
Ricketts could s**t on one particular posters front lawn and he'd clear it up for him and find reason as to why he did it.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Oct 23, 2019 14:05:39 GMT 1
To clarify, the fans only bood at the end of the half; other than that, the atmosphere was fairly supportive particularly when you consider the thin gruel being served up. Booing is basically a mild rebuke to signify to players and management that the fans are unhappy with the performance. What do you expect them to do? Schedule a feedback session with HR or, better yet, wait for Sam's annual appraisal? Only a select few have feedback sessions with Ricketts. God knows what goes on in them, but most of them come out with undying support for Ricketts.
Ricketts could s**t on one particular posters front lawn and he'd clear it up for him and find reason as to why he did it.
1) No feedback sessions since I think June 2019 - Not one arranged this season so far (have not seen plans for one either) 2) There were only two in total so far 3) What goes on in them has been covered on the Salopcast if you want to give it a listen 4) Its not correct to say its always been universal support. The first was one pretty tense. The second one was sort of going through the tactics and plans for this season (which to be fair seems to have been what we have done). He came across as a good bloke both times, as did John Pitts. 5) I know of a couple of people who have gone to them who want Rickets out (or have at various times) 6) Personally im Meh on the whole Ricketts era. Can appreciate the defense is sorted, am frustrated by a loads of things going forward - Not rickets out though personally. 7) Not sure what poster your refereeing to but we are all different... The first meeting was invites from the SP but the second was open to all to say they wanted to come and allowed new faces (some people I had never met) to come along. I suspect the SP will open it up again if there is another. Hopefully we have another soon, as I personally have a LOT of questions . A lot.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Oct 23, 2019 14:24:01 GMT 1
Tut tut, listening to it, even I was there and JT didn't blame the performance on me so they must have been bad
To sum up my first visit since January when Charlton embarrassed the Home team
To much sideways and back passing resulting in a far too predictable ball forward
No aggression, yet still picked up 5 yellow cards and it wasn't the Refs fault
Too ponderous all over the pitch, and the amount of misplaced passes short and long was shocking
Some of the alleged ball control from professionals playing on a pitch akin to a bowling green was atrocious
Good luck to the 186 souls who travelled from Gillingham to watch that
If Sunderland score in the first 10 minutes on Saturday.........................................
...... the flood gates would open!!! Don’t I will be there on Saturday! We’ve relocated to Yorkshire and it will be a long journey just to see annihilation. Your report sounds much the radio so you have my sympathies. However, I see from JT that you all enjoyed a good gossip! So you've moved from God's Own County to a place that the locals mistake for God's Own County!
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