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Post by edgmond on Oct 20, 2019 0:42:52 GMT 1
A fit Thompson would add some missing flair as would a fully fit Cummings. A good point tonight. If Cummings is not fit yet then something is wrong. He was p**s poor tonight imo. Fejiri also. No chances came their way but their touch whenever the ball came into feet was terrible. Agree with your point about Cummings and Okenabirhie's poor touch. However, if I was to criticise one aspect of the way we play (and this is certainly not just a problem under Ricketts) it would be the number of balls sent towards them in the air. 5'10" strikers + 6'3" defenders + high balls = no contest Fey scored a great goal in the Trophy against Newcastle; the ball was played in from the wing to his feet, he took one touch, spun and scored. That's the sort of service he and Cummings need.
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Post by Mortgagehound on Oct 20, 2019 3:19:33 GMT 1
Giles was again poor, let’s replace him with Whalley and give the lad a rest. Whalley is the only player who can beat a man and cause problems. You would play Whalley as a left wing back? Absolutely. Always played on the left wing at Southport and would be a better defensive and offensive option than giles in my view
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2019 7:35:36 GMT 1
You would play Whalley as a left wing back? Absolutely. Always played on the left wing at Southport and would be a better defensive and offensive option than giles in my view I can see why people are arguing for flexibility in being able to change formation, but while we're playing with wingbacks I wouldn't drop Giles: - Most dribbles attempted / made by a Shrews player this season - Highest passing completion % of our back 5 - Only one of 9 players to score and he's had as many shots on target than most of our midfielders/strikers (only Cummings, Laurent, Goss, Morris have had more) - Played for the England U-20s, he can't be that bad! You're also basing an argument on playing Whalley as a left wing back based on performances for Southport. Read that back again - SOUTHPORT. Yes we have problems with the team but Giles isn't one of them.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Oct 20, 2019 8:12:39 GMT 1
If Cummings is not fit yet then something is wrong. He was p**s poor tonight imo. Fejiri also. No chances came their way but their touch whenever the ball came into feet was terrible. Agree with your point about Cummings and Okenabirhie's poor touch. However, if I was to criticise one aspect of the way we play (and this is certainly not just a problem under Ricketts) it would be the number of balls sent towards them in the air. 5'10" strikers + 6'3" defenders + high balls = no contest Fey scored a great goal in the Trophy against Newcastle; the ball was played in from the wing to his feet, he took one touch, spun and scored. That's the sort of service he and Cummings need. i completely agree about the high balls and the forwards not having the service they need .
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Post by Mortgagehound on Oct 20, 2019 9:18:38 GMT 1
Absolutely. Always played on the left wing at Southport and would be a better defensive and offensive option than giles in my view I can see why people are arguing for flexibility in being able to change formation, but while we're playing with wingbacks I wouldn't drop Giles: - Most dribbles attempted / made by a Shrews player this season - Highest passing completion % of our back 5 - Only one of 9 players to score and he's had as many shots on target than most of our midfielders/strikers (only Cummings, Laurent, Goss, Morris have had more) - Played for the England U-20s, he can't be that bad! You're also basing an argument on playing Whalley as a left wing back based on performances for Southport. Read that back again - SOUTHPORT. Yes we have problems with the team but Giles isn't one of them. I don’t need you to tell me what I said. I make the point that he is experienced at playing on the left. Giles May have the most attempted dribbles - not sure where you got that figure - if correct please tell me how many times he ever beats his man AFTER successfully controlling the ball when passed to him. Take his wonder striker out against Pompey and he brings little to the table other than immediately pass the ball backwards when given the ball
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Post by cheggersdrinkspop on Oct 20, 2019 9:36:27 GMT 1
Did anyone notice we ground out a point away from home against a very decent team, or should we be smashing these teams out of the park because we are tactically inept according to some. A point away from home is a point doesn't matter how you play. How many accounts has Mark Elliot got on here?
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Post by Mortgagehound on Oct 20, 2019 10:16:23 GMT 1
Did anyone notice we ground out a point away from home against a very decent team, or should we be smashing these teams out of the park because we are tactically inept according to some. A point away from home is a point doesn't matter how you play. How many accounts has Mark Elliot got on here? Good post
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Post by shrewswolf on Oct 20, 2019 10:37:43 GMT 1
I can see why people are arguing for flexibility in being able to change formation, but while we're playing with wingbacks I wouldn't drop Giles: - Most dribbles attempted / made by a Shrews player this season - Highest passing completion % of our back 5 - Only one of 9 players to score and he's had as many shots on target than most of our midfielders/strikers (only Cummings, Laurent, Goss, Morris have had more) - Played for the England U-20s, he can't be that bad! You're also basing an argument on playing Whalley as a left wing back based on performances for Southport. Read that back again - SOUTHPORT. Yes we have problems with the team but Giles isn't one of them. I don’t need you to tell me what I said. I make the point that he is experienced at playing on the left. Giles May have the most attempted dribbles - not sure where you got that figure - if correct please tell me how many times he ever beats his man AFTER successfully controlling the ball when passed to him. Take his wonder striker out against Pompey and he brings little to the table other than immediately pass the ball backwards when given the ball I said a few weeks ago that Giles needed a rest but on Friday he was our only real threat I thought, certainly wouldn’t drop him after that performance. He was the only one to beat a man, put decent balls across & win a few corners on that occasion I felt.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2019 10:53:59 GMT 1
I can see why people are arguing for flexibility in being able to change formation, but while we're playing with wingbacks I wouldn't drop Giles: - Most dribbles attempted / made by a Shrews player this season - Highest passing completion % of our back 5 - Only one of 9 players to score and he's had as many shots on target than most of our midfielders/strikers (only Cummings, Laurent, Goss, Morris have had more) - Played for the England U-20s, he can't be that bad! You're also basing an argument on playing Whalley as a left wing back based on performances for Southport. Read that back again - SOUTHPORT. Yes we have problems with the team but Giles isn't one of them. I don’t need you to tell me what I said. I make the point that he is experienced at playing on the left. Giles May have the most attempted dribbles - not sure where you got that figure - if correct please tell me how many times he ever beats his man AFTER successfully controlling the ball when passed to him. Take his wonder striker out against Pompey and he brings little to the table other than immediately pass the ball backwards when given the ball The figure is available from the Rapid Football statistics database. Giles completed the most attempted dribbles - which answers your question on 'AFTER' controlling when passed to him. Football is a game of opinions, but it always amazes me how many fans have the ability to question the ability of players who have been picked to represent their country.
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Post by Mortgagehound on Oct 20, 2019 11:02:34 GMT 1
I don’t need you to tell me what I said. I make the point that he is experienced at playing on the left. Giles May have the most attempted dribbles - not sure where you got that figure - if correct please tell me how many times he ever beats his man AFTER successfully controlling the ball when passed to him. Take his wonder striker out against Pompey and he brings little to the table other than immediately pass the ball backwards when given the ball The figure is available from the Rapid Football statistics database. Giles completed the most attempted dribbles - which answers your question on 'AFTER' controlling when passed to him. Football is a game of opinions, but it always amazes me how many fans have the ability to question the ability of players who have been picked to represent their country. Does this confirm how many times he actually beats his man or more importantly, how many times when given the ball he tries to take his man on. He has been in the pocket of the majority of full backs he has faced this season. My reasoning is based upon having attended the majority of Salop games this season. The lad has talent no question but we are not getting the best out of him, sadly👍
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2019 11:48:56 GMT 1
The figure is available from the Rapid Football statistics database. Giles completed the most attempted dribbles - which answers your question on 'AFTER' controlling when passed to him. Football is a game of opinions, but it always amazes me how many fans have the ability to question the ability of players who have been picked to represent their country. Does this confirm how many times he actually beats his man or more importantly, how many times when given the ball he tries to take his man on. He has been in the pocket of the majority of full backs he has faced this season. My reasoning is based upon having attended the majority of Salop games this season. The lad has talent no question but we are not getting the best out of him, sadly👍 He's attempted 20 dribbles, made 13 of them so a decent return I think - especially when playing against teams in a more traditional 4-4-2 he will likely be up against a fullback and covering winger. I've also watched every game this season - albeit many on ifollow (some will say that is a less accurate way of watching than in person, others will say it is the opposite). I use statistics to provide myself with an un-biased, emotionless view on things. Both with the stats and from watching Giles play I think he's one of the most important members of the team and am concerned he does not have any direct coverage (Goldbourne has nowhere near the pace or attacking capability imo, Whalley not the defensive experience).
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Post by Mortgagehound on Oct 20, 2019 12:09:19 GMT 1
Is that 20 attempted dribbles in 12 games or 20 attempts at Lincoln?
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Post by Chief Inspector Swan on Oct 20, 2019 12:25:48 GMT 1
Is that 20 attempted dribbles in 12 games or 20 attempts at Lincoln? Me ribs. Question of 2019 so far.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2019 12:49:12 GMT 1
Is that 20 attempted dribbles in 12 games or 20 attempts at Lincoln? To add to the inspector's in-depth report, 20 attempted dribbles at Lincoln would equate to one roughly every four and a half minutes.... hence it's in 12 games.
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Post by cheggersdrinkspop on Oct 20, 2019 12:54:04 GMT 1
Ahh the stats that are the Oracle of all arguments, didn't England win a big rugby game yesterday with below par stats. A player can touch the ball 200 times in a game but it proves nothing of what the outcome was, so 20 dribbles equated to what?
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Post by Mortgagehound on Oct 20, 2019 13:01:53 GMT 1
Is that 20 attempted dribbles in 12 games or 20 attempts at Lincoln? To add to the inspector's in-depth report, 20 attempted dribbles at Lincoln would equate to one roughly every four and a half minutes.... hence it's in 12 games. So one and a bit attempted dribbles and one successful dribble per game. I rest my case😂😂😂
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2019 13:02:03 GMT 1
Ahh the stats that are the Oracle of all arguments, didn't England win a big rugby game yesterday with below par stats. A player can touch the ball 200 times in a game but it proves nothing of what the outcome was, so 20 dribbles equated to what? I absolutely agree.... stats don't take into account unmeasurable attributes to a team or individual nor the 'emotional' side of performance (hey John-Lewis has been praised by 4 different management teams yet performs terribly under statistical review or from fan opinion). However, they are a good form of helping explain events and also encourage hypothesis / discussions on performance.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2019 13:03:25 GMT 1
To add to the inspector's in-depth report, 20 attempted dribbles at Lincoln would equate to one roughly every four and a half minutes.... hence it's in 12 games. So one and a bit attempted dribbles and one successful dribble per game. I rest my case😂😂😂 Please note the stats I provided weren't just limited to number of dribbles and they were a comparison against the rest of the team to highlight relative performance.... but hey pick and choose what you wish to quote
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2019 13:04:56 GMT 1
To add to the inspector's in-depth report, 20 attempted dribbles at Lincoln would equate to one roughly every four and a half minutes.... hence it's in 12 games. So one and a bit attempted dribbles and one successful dribble per game. I rest my case😂😂😂 By these in depth advanced statistical metrics you have should Love be rested also?
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Post by davycrockett on Oct 20, 2019 13:05:13 GMT 1
Did anyone notice we ground out a point away from home against a very decent team, or should we be smashing these teams out of the park because we are tactically inept according to some. A point away from home is a point doesn't matter how you play. How many accounts has Mark Elliot got on here? Oxford scored 6
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2019 13:07:06 GMT 1
So one and a bit attempted dribbles and one successful dribble per game. I rest my case😂😂😂 By these in depth advanced statistical metrics you have should Love be rested also? I've looked through the history books and Steve Morison once played right wingback in his under 8s village team; best we get him back from that Northampton coaching job quickly
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Post by cheggersdrinkspop on Oct 20, 2019 13:51:46 GMT 1
Yes and Oxford are a much better team than us based on recent results, but what did the stats say?
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Post by tvor on Oct 21, 2019 20:23:13 GMT 1
I've nothing against Laurent, it's about the overall balance of the team. I think Thompson could link the midfield and the forwards better than what we are seeing at the moment, he would also get beyond the strikers into the box. It's certainly worth trying for a few games. What makes you think that in the very limited time Thompson has had on the pitch? Just signs of what he could bring, I think he looks to be naturally a more attack minded player. I'm not suggesting it is the answer just that it's worth a try as we currently have a problem with not scoring enough goals. For me the balance of the team, particularly at home, is too defensive and there is not enough link between the midfield and the forwards. For home games it would also be worth considering playing Whalley as a number 10 in place of one of the midfield three to provide more of that link without weakening the side overall defensively.
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