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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2019 14:48:45 GMT 1
2 new midfield players added to the squad today.
Once everyone is fit we will have 12 professionals (excluding Grant) for just the 3 midfield positions. At the same time we only have 5 strikers on the books, one on long term rehab, one on loan to Newtown and another untried at this level. Lose Morison to say suspension/injury and we really are struggling.
The squad, as it stands looks very imbalanced to me. I'm not really following what Rickett's plan is to be honest.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Aug 16, 2019 14:58:20 GMT 1
it does
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Aug 16, 2019 15:14:12 GMT 1
Laurent has played up front for us before so could be an option but I'd really like us to get a striker in before the transfer window closes.
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Post by Pilch on Aug 16, 2019 15:16:41 GMT 1
2 new midfield players added to the squad today. Once everyone is fit we will have 12 professionals (excluding Grant) for just the 3 midfield positions. At the same time we only have 5 strikers on the books, one on long term rehab, one on loan to Newtown and another untried at this level. Lose Morison to say suspension/injury and we really are struggling. The squad, as it stands looks very imbalanced to me. I'm not really following what Rickett's plan is to be honest. put yourself in the managers shoes you want a couple of forwards, for whatever reason none are available today but you get the chance to sign 2 midfielders who are available what do you do ?
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Post by venceremos on Aug 16, 2019 15:17:38 GMT 1
2 new midfield players added to the squad today. Once everyone is fit we will have 12 professionals (excluding Grant) for just the 3 midfield positions. At the same time we only have 5 strikers on the books, one on long term rehab, one on loan to Newtown and another untried at this level. Lose Morison to say suspension/injury and we really are struggling. The squad, as it stands looks very imbalanced to me. I'm not really following what Rickett's plan is to be honest. put yourself in the managers shoes you want a couple of forwards, for whatever reason none are available today but you get the chance to sign 2 midfielders who are available what do you do ? Decide that would leave you with an unbalanced squad so you'd better wait …..
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Post by tvor on Aug 16, 2019 15:20:03 GMT 1
This was a comment often heard last season. I would hope the squad will be a bit more balanced by the time the transfer window closes.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2019 15:30:17 GMT 1
2 new midfield players added to the squad today. Once everyone is fit we will have 12 professionals (excluding Grant) for just the 3 midfield positions. At the same time we only have 5 strikers on the books, one on long term rehab, one on loan to Newtown and another untried at this level. Lose Morison to say suspension/injury and we really are struggling. The squad, as it stands looks very imbalanced to me. I'm not really following what Rickett's plan is to be honest. put yourself in the managers shoes you want a couple of forwards, for whatever reason none are available today but you get the chance to sign 2 midfielders who are available what do you do ? Good question. I'm not sure I would have signed both given the surplus of midfielders it will give me in a month or two once Norburn and Laurent are back in contention. Perhaps just a short term loanee deal?
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Post by tvor on Aug 16, 2019 15:31:23 GMT 1
put yourself in the managers shoes you want a couple of forwards, for whatever reason none are available today but you get the chance to sign 2 midfielders who are available what do you do ? Good question. I'm not sure I would have signed both given the surplus of midfielders it will give me in a month or two once Norburn and Laurent are back in contention. Perhaps just a short term loanee deal? Short term loans are no longer possible, they're either half season or full season loans.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2019 15:31:56 GMT 1
Laurent has played up front for us before so could be an option but I'd really like us to get a striker in before the transfer window closes. I would hope that we get at least 2 in.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2019 15:32:51 GMT 1
Good question. I'm not sure I would have signed both given the surplus of midfielders it will give me in a month or two once Norburn and Laurent are back in contention. Perhaps just a short term loanee deal? Short term loans are no longer possible, they're either half season or full season loans. Of course, I meant a half season (to Christmas).
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Post by venceremos on Aug 16, 2019 15:35:42 GMT 1
2 new midfield players added to the squad today. Once everyone is fit we will have 12 professionals (excluding Grant) for just the 3 midfield positions. At the same time we only have 5 strikers on the books, one on long term rehab, one on loan to Newtown and another untried at this level. Lose Morison to say suspension/injury and we really are struggling. The squad, as it stands looks very imbalanced to me. I'm not really following what Rickett's plan is to be honest. I'd say there are 8 in immediate contention for the first team - Edwards, Norburn, Walker, Vincelot, McCormick, Laurent and now Thompson & Goss. [For some reason, the website lists Giles as a midfielder but Love as a defender.] I expect Rowland, Barnett and Taylor will be out on loan in due course. Two of those 8 are injured, so we'd be down to 4 without the new signings. Walker is some way off being Grant's replacement and we've needed a creative midfielder since Nolan left. If Thompson and Goss can fill these roles, happy days. Whalley is included as a forward on the website, so that's 5, excluding Mwandwe. As you say, LJL is injured so we're definitely short one striker but, as we know, the number 9 jersey remains vacant. Somehow, I don't think it's been retired. I don't think that's an unbalanced squad. I'd say it's a squad that just needs one good striker adding to it. I hope a stronger midfield will enable us to win and retain possession much better, allow the wing backs to be more attacking and provide a much better service to the forwards. People joked about us being overloaded with midfielders last season and it's true some made little contribution on the pitch. I'd say it's the most important area though - it's the glue that holds a team together and, if it's not strong enough, any weaknesses elsewhere are exposed. On paper, ours looks alright …..
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Post by leonidrogozov on Aug 16, 2019 15:37:57 GMT 1
I think that original statement needs qualifying with the fact that three of those are youngsters (one a wide player used to cover wing back); two loans of ehich one may be sent back in January; if that 12 includes Whalley he's been utilised in the front two; Vincelot may now become 5th choice CB. Add in that some of the youngsters may go out on loan and the midfield areas look about right numbers-wise, considering all of above.
That leaves us with forwards, which I think we will add to before window closes. If we do that the squad looks healthy really. Yes you can always want to strengthen here or there, but it's lot better than a lot of previous seasons. What we do with it is another question altogether.
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Post by venceremos on Aug 16, 2019 15:37:59 GMT 1
Laurent has played up front for us before so could be an option but I'd really like us to get a striker in before the transfer window closes. I would hope that we get at least 2 in. At least 2? Would you prefer 3 or 4?
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Post by ipswichshrews on Aug 16, 2019 15:46:12 GMT 1
Ricketts may want more midfielders to rotate and keep fresh and have flexibility in how we play within 3-5-2, depending on who we're playing.
Midfielders will be engine room moving ball quickly but also needing to quickly get back behind ball to control ball without possession.
To get through many games, extra midfielders allows him to keep this part of the team fresh, as midfield may run more than other parts of the side. Just a thought!
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Post by mrbunny on Aug 16, 2019 15:53:51 GMT 1
Lets wait till the window closes and see if we are imbalanced then.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2019 16:03:19 GMT 1
I would hope that we get at least 2 in. At least 2? Would you prefer 3 or 4? 2 decent forwards will do fine.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2019 16:10:20 GMT 1
I think that original statement needs qualifying with the fact that three of those are youngsters (one a wide player used to cover wing back); two loans of ehich one may be sent back in January; if that 12 includes Whalley he's been utilised in the front two; Vincelot may now become 5th choice CB. Add in that some of the youngsters may go out on loan and the midfield areas look about right numbers-wise, considering all of above. That leaves us with forwards, which I think we will add to before window closes. If we do that the squad looks healthy really. Yes you can always want to strengthen here or there, but it's lot better than a lot of previous seasons. What we do with it is another question altogether. Interesting observation re Vincelot. I would see him as a midfielder for now, perhaps he will play less of a part in the first team once the new guys are up to speed.
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Post by londonshrew75 on Aug 16, 2019 16:17:51 GMT 1
Things are fine. Don't panic. Our forward line consists of a 36 year old. A lad from Telford and Ok, who was dropped first game as he clearly won't link with Morrison who clearly needs wingers to supply him to get the best out of him. He favours three at the back, but buys players that suit 442 ?
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Post by leonidrogozov on Aug 16, 2019 16:21:22 GMT 1
I think that original statement needs qualifying with the fact that three of those are youngsters (one a wide player used to cover wing back); two loans of ehich one may be sent back in January; if that 12 includes Whalley he's been utilised in the front two; Vincelot may now become 5th choice CB. Add in that some of the youngsters may go out on loan and the midfield areas look about right numbers-wise, considering all of above. That leaves us with forwards, which I think we will add to before window closes. If we do that the squad looks healthy really. Yes you can always want to strengthen here or there, but it's lot better than a lot of previous seasons. What we do with it is another question altogether. Interesting observation re Vincelot. I would see him as a midfielder for now, perhaps he will play less of a part in the first team once the new guys are up to speed. Well having got rid of Waterfall I don't think we'll be bringing in another centre back, and with Vincelot capable of playing in a back three (and experienced at doing so) it makes sense. Means we have cover in our preferred formation without having to swell the squad more AND try and keep five centre backs happy. Every squad needs a couple of versatile players and I think Vincelot may come to be a handy player to plug holes during patches of the season.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2019 16:27:26 GMT 1
I make it 9 with it being 7 in reality as the bottom 2 are likely being loaned out.
Norburn Edwards Laurent Goss Thompson McCormick Vincelot Rowland Walker
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Post by shrewswolf on Aug 16, 2019 16:29:02 GMT 1
Considering Thompson is the latest midfielder with a truly dreadful injury record I really wouldn’t worry too much about them all being available at once.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2019 16:34:08 GMT 1
I make it 9 with it being 7 in reality as the bottom 2 are likely being loaned out. Norburn Edwards Laurent Goss Thompson McCormick Vincelot Rowland Walker We don't like facts here produsalopian. We like hyperbole. Its 12 and the squad is unbalanced. Ricketts out.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2019 16:36:44 GMT 1
Things are fine. Don't panic. Our forward line consists of a 36 year old. A lad from Telford and Ok, who was dropped first game as he clearly won't link with Morrison who clearly needs wingers to supply him to get the best out of him. He favours three at the back, but buys players that suit 442 ? We could also add Whalley as a forward option given he started up front last Saturday. Sake of argument Morison pulls up in the warm up tomorrow, do we have a like for like replacement on the bench? Certainly not one of his experience. If we are talking about a balanced squad then we should have cover for all positions, but if say Morison was out tomorrow then we would be stuck.
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Post by shrewsace on Aug 16, 2019 16:42:30 GMT 1
Surely means that a couple of players are going to find themselves as this season's Loft/Colkett.
If Ricketts thinks the new signings are a clear improvement on what we already have, then can't blame him for bringing them in.
Just hope that leaves us enough financial wiggle room to bring in a striker or two - and some cover for the wing backs, which are vital to a functioning 3-5-2.
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Post by leonidrogozov on Aug 16, 2019 16:43:31 GMT 1
We need another forward, I think the vast majority would agree. Other than that though, we're looking good across the squad
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Post by thesensationaljt on Aug 16, 2019 16:44:40 GMT 1
We probably can't rule out Norburn going out for a fee yet. It's always tricky getting forwards in. The ones on offer tend to be either inexperienced or 2 goals a season journeymen. If they can score 18 goals a season, they're either unavailable or out of our price range.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2019 16:48:30 GMT 1
We probably can't rule out Norburn going out for a fee yet. It's always tricky getting forwards in. The ones on offer tend to be either inexperienced or 2 goals a season journeymen. If they can score 18 goals a season, they're either unavailable or out of our price range. I suppose again it also depends on the type of forward(s) we are looking for. A younger version of Morison or a fox in the box? As you say not easy.
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Post by venceremos on Aug 16, 2019 16:50:05 GMT 1
Things are fine. Don't panic. Our forward line consists of a 36 year old. A lad from Telford and Ok, who was dropped first game as he clearly won't link with Morrison who clearly needs wingers to supply him to get the best out of him. He favours three at the back, but buys players that suit 442 ? We could also add Whalley as a forward option given he started up front last Saturday. Sake of argument Morison pulls up in the warm up tomorrow, do we have a like for like replacement on the bench? Of course not. If we are talking about a balanced squad then we should have cover for all positions, but if say Morison was out tomorrow then we would be stuck. Would we? I'd expect us to play Whalley and Okenabirhie in that case, with Udoh on the bench (and another striker likely to be joining soon). I agree the need for replacements to be available and think we will have (by September) but don't see why they must necessarily be like for like replacements.
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Post by masshrop on Aug 16, 2019 16:50:15 GMT 1
all these midfielders & grant still the best , oh well keep paying him for doing sweet fa.
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Post by venceremos on Aug 16, 2019 16:51:49 GMT 1
Things are fine. Don't panic. Our forward line consists of a 36 year old. A lad from Telford and Ok, who was dropped first game as he clearly won't link with Morrison who clearly needs wingers to supply him to get the best out of him. He favours three at the back, but buys players that suit 442 ? I'm sure you know more about the players we've acquired than Ricketts does.
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