Scunny

[philharvey]

Wrexham here he goes !!

[thesensationaljt]

Aug 11, 2019 12:32:35 GMT 1 philharvey said:

Wrexham here he goes !!

I hope not. What have Wrexham done to deserve that?

[wakemanender]

Another big pay day on the horizon when PH gets his marching orders. A place reserved for him on the Managers merry go round along with the likes of Graham Westley and Phil Brown. Its a good career getting paid off at multiple clubs.

[SouthStandShrew]

As much as we don't like Hurst no one can deny he got the best out of average players like Rodman, Brown etc

[Deleted]

I heard Hurst's post-match interview yesterday and he sounded very down at such an early stage of the season.

"That’s got to be up there with one of the lowest points I’ve had as a manager." was one of his quotes.

[blazey]

To be fair I believe he has been hamstrung by being unable to clear all of last seasons deadwood, but a glance at the Sc***horpe squad list looks like a pale imitation of what we had in 2017/18. Gilliead is a poor mans Whalley, Andy Butler these days is no Mat Sadler, and there’s certainly nobody in midfield that would get near Ogogo/Godfrey/Nolan in their prime. 

Hurst built his reputation over a number of years at Grimsby to earn his move here, and I think in his heart of hearts he may well look back in regret that he didn’t spend a little more time gaining that same encyclopaedic scouting knowledge and tactical nous at this level before jumping at the first Championship gig pushed under his nose. If it continues as badly as it has started at Sc***horpe, he might well need to be getting his road atlas out for the likes of Barrow and Boreham Wood...

[TheFoz]

Aug 11, 2019 21:38:22 GMT 1 blazey said:

To be fair I believe he has been hamstrung by being unable to clear all of last seasons deadwood, but a glance at the Sc***horpe squad list looks like a pale imitation of what we had in 2017/18. Gilliead is a poor mans Whalley, Andy Butler these days is no Mat Sadler, and there’s certainly nobody in midfield that would get near Ogogo/Godfrey/Nolan in their prime. 

Hurst built his reputation over a number of years at Grimsby to earn his move here, and I think in his heart of hearts he may well look back in regret that he didn’t spend a little more time gaining that same encyclopaedic scouting knowledge and tactical nous at this level before jumping at the first Championship gig pushed under his nose. If it continues as badly as it has started at Sc***horpe, he might well need to be getting his road atlas out for the likes of Barrow and Boreham Wood...

Absolutely right.

Look at Dean Smith, did the best part of 5 years at Walsall and waited for the right job to come along, at Brentford. Now he is managing in the Premier League!

Hurst did a terrific job here and if he stayed, he’d have been in a job where he would have had virtually no chance of getting sacked. Just over a year after leaving us, he is potentially looking at a return to non-league football.

[wakemanender]

Nathan Jones at Stoke looks to be heading down the same path. Found out at a higher level.

[venceremos]

Aug 11, 2019 21:38:22 GMT 1 blazey said:

To be fair I believe he has been hamstrung by being unable to clear all of last seasons deadwood, but a glance at the Sc***horpe squad list looks like a pale imitation of what we had in 2017/18. 

True, but I'd expect that to some extent - we were a league above them.

[Mortgagehound]

Next up Derby tomorrow night in league cup....

[Deleted]

Aug 11, 2019 19:36:03 GMT 1 @tvor said:

I heard Hurst's post-match interview yesterday and he sounded very down at such an early stage of the season.

"That’s got to be up there with one of the lowest points I’ve had as a manager." was one of his quotes.

Oh deary, dreary me . I do feel for him - like f.ck I do !
One of my lowest points as a supporter of our proud club was during a certain play off final when he was laughing and joking with his mate on the sidelines whilst we were performing like s**te .
I thought I’d got over it but I haven’t particularly when I read such pathetic s**te as that . May he suffer countless “ lower points “ this season .
He really does boil my p**s does Hurst .
I feel for Scunny , losing their steel works and Hurst in charge of their team , surely life can’t get any worse .

[Exkeeper]

I remember going to Scunny for a Mickey Mouse Cup evening game, where we got turned over by their reserves. We then went there early in Hurst’s tenure and narrowly beat them. I had a peep on their FB page and it was comedy gold - post upon post on how they had somehow lost to the worst team seen in Sc***horpe in ages. I mischievously replied that the worst team I had seen in Sc***horpe was the one that the Town had just beaten.
Needless to say, I got dogs abuse and was told that we were a shoe-in for a return to League 2. To finish, one learned poster then put me in my place by saying that although we had luckily won the game, it was obvious that the two teams were headed in totally opposite directions. I take my hat off to him, he was proved correct..........
I think?

[northwestman]

Scunny are somewhat trigger happy too.

Hurst is their 5th Manager in just over a year!

www.soccerbase.com/teams/team.sd?team_id=2263&teamTabs=managers

[pughywasfree]

Aug 11, 2019 11:30:48 GMT 1 @nicko said:

Aug 11, 2019 11:02:36 GMT 1 philharvey said:

was he a one season wonder ?.

I think so.

We had some incredible loanees, things clicked and tight games went our way early in the season to give us momentum. 

If he was here now, I don't see us being any better off in terms league position or progress. 

I said the same thing around September last year.

I suggested that season was a fluke and it wasn't no master stroke by the snake a while back. Nearly got lynched for it!

[pughywasfree]

Aug 11, 2019 17:47:06 GMT 1 SouthStandShrew said:

As much as we don't like Hurst no one can deny he got the best out of average players like Rodman, Brown etc

He had a very odd style of saying the opposition were better than us and we would do well to get anything. Basically challanging the players to prove him wrong. It worked for that season. Obviously hasn't worked elsewhere.

[pughywasfree]

Aug 12, 2019 4:33:02 GMT 1 TheFoz said:

Aug 11, 2019 21:38:22 GMT 1 blazey said:

To be fair I believe he has been hamstrung by being unable to clear all of last seasons deadwood, but a glance at the Sc***horpe squad list looks like a pale imitation of what we had in 2017/18. Gilliead is a poor mans Whalley, Andy Butler these days is no Mat Sadler, and there’s certainly nobody in midfield that would get near Ogogo/Godfrey/Nolan in their prime. 

Hurst built his reputation over a number of years at Grimsby to earn his move here, and I think in his heart of hearts he may well look back in regret that he didn’t spend a little more time gaining that same encyclopaedic scouting knowledge and tactical nous at this level before jumping at the first Championship gig pushed under his nose. If it continues as badly as it has started at Sc***horpe, he might well need to be getting his road atlas out for the likes of Barrow and Boreham Wood...

Absolutely right.

Look at Dean Smith, did the best part of 5 years at Walsall and waited for the right job to come along, at Brentford. Now he is managing in the Premier League!

Hurst did a terrific job here and if he stayed, he’d have been in a job where he would have had virtually no chance of getting sacked. Just over a year after leaving us, he is potentially looking at a return to non-league football.

The legend that is Graham Turner got us promoted to league 1 and when things went to pot the following season some fans was calling for his head.

Same would have happened to the snake.

[Exkeeper]

Aug 12, 2019 16:25:12 GMT 1 pughywasfree said:

Aug 12, 2019 4:33:02 GMT 1 TheFoz said:

Absolutely right.

Look at Dean Smith, did the best part of 5 years at Walsall and waited for the right job to come along, at Brentford. Now he is managing in the Premier League!

Hurst did a terrific job here and if he stayed, he’d have been in a job where he would have had virtually no chance of getting sacked. Just over a year after leaving us, he is potentially looking at a return to non-league football.

The legend that is Graham Turner got us promoted to league 1 and when things went to pot the following season some fans was calling for his head.

Same would have happened to the snake.

Mellon is a further example - kept us up by the skin of our teeth and was leading us to oblivion the following season and bolted for the door just as he was about to be shown it. I am keeping an interested eye on zTranmerr this season.

[TheFoz]

Aug 12, 2019 16:25:12 GMT 1 pughywasfree said:

Aug 12, 2019 4:33:02 GMT 1 TheFoz said:

Absolutely right.

Look at Dean Smith, did the best part of 5 years at Walsall and waited for the right job to come along, at Brentford. Now he is managing in the Premier League!

Hurst did a terrific job here and if he stayed, he’d have been in a job where he would have had virtually no chance of getting sacked. Just over a year after leaving us, he is potentially looking at a return to non-league football.

The legend that is Graham Turner got us promoted to league 1 and when things went to pot the following season some fans was calling for his head.

Same would have happened to the snake.

Depends on the situation. After keeping us up in League One and nearly getting us to The Championship, it would have taken a lot for fans to call for his head.

Turner seemed out of his depth in League One, Hurst had shown he could do it in League One.

[Exkeeper]

Aug 12, 2019 16:59:04 GMT 1 TheFoz said:

Aug 12, 2019 16:25:12 GMT 1 pughywasfree said:

The legend that is Graham Turner got us promoted to league 1 and when things went to pot the following season some fans was calling for his head.

Same would have happened to the snake.

Depends on the situation. After keeping us up in League One and nearly getting us to The Championship, it would have taken a lot for fans to call for his head.

Turner seemed out of his depth in League One, Hurst had shown he could do it in League One.

Turner took us to level two and kept us there, late 70s/early 80s. He then made the same mistake that Hurst made, many years later - left a job that he was comfortable in, to go and work for a prat.

[Deleted]

I'm looking out for Port Vale's results as well under John Askey.

[shrewdshrewssupporter]

Aug 12, 2019 16:49:59 GMT 1 Exkeeper said:

Aug 12, 2019 16:25:12 GMT 1 pughywasfree said:

The legend that is Graham Turner got us promoted to league 1 and when things went to pot the following season some fans was calling for his head.

Same would have happened to the snake.

Mellon is a further example - kept us up by the skin of our teeth and was leading us to oblivion the following season and bolted for the door just as he was about to be shown it. I am keeping an interested eye on zTranmerr this season.

That's arguably a different situation, Roland appears to view Town as a league 1 club, so any failure to stay in league 1 is disastrous, getting to the championship is an incredible achievement so would likely give room to manoeuvre and possibly keep him in a job if we were to be relegated as it would be known he could take us out of league 1 in our circumstances, much like Warnock at Cardiff.

[floreatsalopia1]

Aug 12, 2019 17:24:09 GMT 1 @gwyneddblue said:

I'm looking out for Port Vale's results as well under John Askey.

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having spent the day with a vale fan I can assure you they are more than happy with Askey at the moment.
He apparently has the team fitter than in previous seasons...ironic really perhaps he learnt something from his time with us.

Best player Saturday he reckons was David Worrall..only playing one up front with Tom Pope who is quoted as saying hardest pre season he has had!!

[claphamshrew]

Not sure I agree with these one season wonder claims. Seems like loosely based rhetoric to match an agenda.

Albeit not immediately he guided Grimsby back into the Football League then left them in 6th when he joined us. If you extrapolated his points return over the course of that season we’d have finished in the top half despite having absolute horror shows in McGivern and El Bad. He then probably slightly over achieved (as did the whole team) when we lost the play off final.

It wasn’t like Paul Lambert could do anything with Ipswich either and now he’s had two games with Sc***horpe. Think people need to keep some perspective regardless of their thoughts on him.

[Deleted]

Aug 12, 2019 21:39:10 GMT 1 claphamshrew said:

Not sure I agree with these one season wonder claims. Seems like loosely based rhetoric to match an agenda.

Hurst himself said that the aim that season was a mid-table finish. He was surprised to be in the play-offs.

Morris, Henderson and Godfrey were key to that team. When was there ever a time when we had 3 loanees who were such a success?

[claphamshrew]

Aug 12, 2019 22:04:50 GMT 1 @nicko said:

Aug 12, 2019 21:39:10 GMT 1 claphamshrew said:

Not sure I agree with these one season wonder claims. Seems like loosely based rhetoric to match an agenda.

Hurst himself said that the aim that season was a mid-table finish. He was surprised to be in the play-offs.

Morris, Henderson and Godfrey were key to that team. When was there ever a time when we had 3 loanees who were such a success?

I said I thought we slightly overachieved but three exceptional young players weren’t the sole reason for our success. There was a combination of factors and Hurst was certainly one of them.

I can’t agree that we’d have been relegation threatened strugglers if he had stayed given the money Askey had available and given how well he managed to do with the dross from the late Mellon era. The evidence simply does not support that argument.

[Deleted]

Aug 12, 2019 22:39:01 GMT 1 claphamshrew said:

Aug 12, 2019 22:04:50 GMT 1 @nicko said:

Hurst himself said that the aim that season was a mid-table finish. He was surprised to be in the play-offs.

Morris, Henderson and Godfrey were key to that team. When was there ever a time when we had 3 loanees who were such a success?

I said I thought we slightly overachieved but three exceptional young players weren’t the sole reason for our success. There was a combination of factors and Hurst was certainly one of them.

I can’t agree that we’d have been relegation threatened strugglers if he had stayed given the money Askey had available and given how well he managed to do with the dross from the late Mellon era. The evidence simply does not support that argument.

The other factors were grinding hardwork, fitness and a team spirit born of early momentum.

He used the former two at Ipswich, failed in the latter, and look how that ended up. He's probably using the same formula at Scunny, and time will tell of course.

We didn't slightly overachieve, we massively overachieved, Hurst hinted at this himself by expecting mid-table finish.

That team was set-up not to lose, by outworking other teams, like this season's team is going to be. Hurst got a couple of early 1-0 wins. We haven't this season, it could easily have been the same with Hurst and he'd still be here slowly building like he did at Grimsby.

Which would have been my preferred option.


And the point about Henderson, Godfrey and Morris, is really about how lucky we were to get three outstanding young players in to supplement the core of Sadler, Toto and Ogogo.

We shouldn't underestimate the importance of that.

[Mortgagehound]

Congratulations to everyone connected with Derby County this evening 👍

[masshrop]

lost 1-0 to a good championship side we just been spanked 4-0 at home to a bang average league 1 side nows the wrong time to gloat sir.

[Dale]

Aug 13, 2019 23:40:00 GMT 1 Mortgagehound said:

Congratulations to everyone connected with Derby County this evening 👍

This obsession with PH is becoming a bit tiresome now 😴

[Deleted]

I’d still gladly swap Rickets for Hurst anytime you like