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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 18, 2019 21:59:00 GMT 1
A whole lot of nothing really. Not a great deal of substance at all. Still, as long as one of this lot can keep the likes of Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott et al out of government then they'll be doing at least one thing right. Time will tell.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2019 22:10:12 GMT 1
A whole lot of nothing really. Not a great deal of substance at all. Still, as long as one of this lot can keep the likes of Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott et al out of government then they'll be doing at least one thing right. Time will tell. It that your view or that of your friends and family that actually live here?
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 18, 2019 22:18:21 GMT 1
A whole lot of nothing really. Not a great deal of substance at all. Still, as long as one of this lot can keep the likes of Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott et al out of government then they'll be doing at least one thing right. Time will tell. It that your view or that of your friends and family that actually live here? It's my view and one that's clearly shared by many people currently living in the UK looking to the results of the last general election.
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Post by Worthingshrew on Jun 18, 2019 22:22:04 GMT 1
I can’t see the blue rinse brigade ever voting for Stewart, he’s not right-wing enough based on tonight.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2019 22:27:48 GMT 1
Over half those who voted, voted against the Tories. There's democracy right there.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jun 18, 2019 22:44:42 GMT 1
So the conservative party, and unfortunately the country, is reduced to "They are all useless, but as long as they keep Corbyn out of no 10".
Pathetic.
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Post by venceremos on Jun 18, 2019 22:47:40 GMT 1
YouGov analysis today says that the membership of the Conservative & Unionist (no irony) Party would rather see Scotland and Northern Ireland (how about Wales?) leave the union and for what’s left of the UK to suffer economic damage than for brexit not to happen.
Maybe the stories of Ukip entryism into the Tory party are true. Or maybe the majority of Tory members are now officially out of their minds. In that context, who cares who wins out of the freak show five?
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Post by thesensationaljt on Jun 18, 2019 22:54:12 GMT 1
Why do they always hold these events at the same time I'm washing my hair?
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Post by salop27 on Jun 18, 2019 23:13:28 GMT 1
YouGov analysis today says that the membership of the Conservative & Unionist (no irony) Party would rather see Scotland and Northern Ireland (how about Wales?) leave the union and for what’s left of the UK to suffer economic damage than for brexit not to happen. Maybe the stories of Ukip entryism into the Tory party are true. Or maybe the majority of Tory members are now officially out of their minds. In that context, who cares who wins out of the freak show five? Or maybe the poll was of 900 people out of a membership of 160000. Bit of a joke really.
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Post by salop27 on Jun 18, 2019 23:16:58 GMT 1
May as well rename that program the Boris show. Everyone else, including the presenter, were fighting for scraps. Love him or loathe him, as PM he is going to brighten things up.
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Post by martinshrew on Jun 18, 2019 23:20:52 GMT 1
A whole lot of nothing really. Not a great deal of substance at all. Still, as long as one of this lot can keep the likes of Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott et al out of government then they'll be doing at least one thing right. Time will tell. It that your view or that of your friends and family that actually live here? It's the view of many people. Nothing but a hippy protester, never in a million years is he fit to lead.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jun 18, 2019 23:49:03 GMT 1
It has to be one, it will be Boris, but the one who seems to be hardworking, intelligent and decent for me, is Rory Stewart His wiki entry is worth a look.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 19, 2019 7:57:08 GMT 1
Looking to those who haven't voted for Johnson in the first and second round there are still enough votes available to see someone take a lead. Those who didn't fancy Johnson first and second time around may feel the same throughout. He's not a shoe-in.
I thought last nights show was a bit of a non-event to be honest, didn't really get a great deal out of it. People have commented in the past that if there are too many involved then you really don't get to hear enough from each candidate and you just get people talking over others. We saw a fair bit of that last night. The purpose of these debates is so that we can learn a little more about each of the candidates, don't think we learnt an awful lot from last night.
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Post by northwestman on Jun 19, 2019 8:35:55 GMT 1
Looking to those who haven't voted for Johnson in the first and second round there are still enough votes available to see someone take a lead. Those who didn't fancy Johnson first and second time around may feel the same throughout. He's not a shoe-in. I thought last nights show was a bit of a non-event to be honest, didn't really get a great deal out of it. People have commented in the past that if there are too many involved then you really don't get to hear enough from each candidate and you just get people talking over others. We saw a fair bit of that last night. The purpose of these debates is so that we can learn a little more about each of the candidates, don't think we learnt an awful lot from last night. It wouldn't matter if someone else took a lead. Boris already has enough votes to get into the last two, and has a massive lead amongst the Members. No, the only way this clown will be prevented from winning is if there is a smoking gun somewhere out there that is so horrendous that it will upset even the membership. Can't see that happening though, especially with him having Williamson as his campaign manager, who no doubt will use whatever tactics it takes to get his man across the line.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2019 8:38:11 GMT 1
Nothing like the good old fashioned hustings 😊
At least the channel 4 effort had a live audience. The BBC format was very sterile especially with no audience interaction.
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Post by northwestman on Jun 19, 2019 8:48:51 GMT 1
In most cases, those who want power probably shouldn't have it, those who enjoy power probably do so for the wrong reasons, and those who want most to hold on to power don't understand that it's only temporary.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 19, 2019 8:52:03 GMT 1
Looking to those who haven't voted for Johnson in the first and second round there are still enough votes available to see someone take a lead. Those who didn't fancy Johnson first and second time around may feel the same throughout. He's not a shoe-in. I thought last nights show was a bit of a non-event to be honest, didn't really get a great deal out of it. People have commented in the past that if there are too many involved then you really don't get to hear enough from each candidate and you just get people talking over others. We saw a fair bit of that last night. The purpose of these debates is so that we can learn a little more about each of the candidates, don't think we learnt an awful lot from last night. It wouldn't matter if someone else took a lead. Boris already has enough votes to get into the last two, and has a massive lead amongst the Members. No, the only way this clown will be prevented from winning is if there is a smoking gun somewhere out there that is so horrendous that it will upset even the membership. Can't see that happening though, especially with him having Williamson as his campaign manager, who no doubt will use whatever tactics it takes to get his man across the line. We can expect a real circus come the next election.
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Post by northwestman on Jun 19, 2019 9:04:29 GMT 1
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Post by Minormorris64 on Jun 19, 2019 9:15:22 GMT 1
Over half those who voted, voted against the Tories. There's democracy right there. Name the General Election when that was not the case ?
ie. the winning Party Labour OR Conservative
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Post by northwestman on Jun 19, 2019 9:41:26 GMT 1
Over half those who voted, voted against the Tories. There's democracy right there. Name the General Election when that was not the case ?
ie. the winning Party Labour OR Conservative
1931 - Conservative Party - 55.5% of the vote.
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Post by northwestman on Jun 19, 2019 9:46:34 GMT 1
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Post by martinshrew on Jun 19, 2019 9:58:34 GMT 1
You'll be shot down and told it's only 30% odd percent, even though every person of age in this country had the chance to vote.
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Post by northwestman on Jun 19, 2019 10:18:51 GMT 1
You'll be shot down and told it's only 30% odd percent, even though every person of age in this country had the chance to vote. And with the vast increase in the number of postal votes, who can have much confidence in the system any more anyway? The result in Peterborough has certainly been questioned. Allegations that some postal votes have been burnt, sudden mutli occupancy of houses by 20 or more persons all requesting postal votes has taken place, and over 400 postal votes have been rejected because either the signature or date of birth did not match Council Records are all issues that have been raised.
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Post by martinshrew on Jun 19, 2019 10:39:34 GMT 1
You'll be shot down and told it's only 30% odd percent, even though every person of age in this country had the chance to vote. And with the vast increase in the number of postal votes, who can have much confidence in the system any more anyway? The result in Peterborough has certainly been questioned. Allegations that some postal votes have been burnt, sudden mutli occupancy of houses by 20 or more persons all requesting postal votes has taken place, and over 400 postal votes have been rejected because either the signature or date of birth did not match Council Records are all issues that have been raised. Peterborough was rigged, hopefully it will come out and it won't be allowed to be covered up.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2019 10:43:36 GMT 1
Over half those who voted, voted against the Tories. There's democracy right there. Name the General Election when that was not the case ?
ie. the winning Party Labour OR Conservative
I don't disagree and is why I support the Green Party and PR.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 19, 2019 10:45:12 GMT 1
Are we heading into tin foil hat territory now?
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Post by northwestman on Jun 19, 2019 10:47:18 GMT 1
And with the vast increase in the number of postal votes, who can have much confidence in the system any more anyway? The result in Peterborough has certainly been questioned. Allegations that some postal votes have been burnt, sudden mutli occupancy of houses by 20 or more persons all requesting postal votes has taken place, and over 400 postal votes have been rejected because either the signature or date of birth did not match Council Records are all issues that have been raised. Peterborough was rigged, hopefully it will come out and it won't be allowed to be covered up. Not too hopeful. The Local Council seem to have washed their hands of it, and the police investigation so far has been half hearted at best.
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Post by martinshrew on Jun 19, 2019 10:47:37 GMT 1
Are we heading into tin foil hat territory now? The enormous increase in postal votes, horrendous amount of rejected votes, people claiming to have burnt votes. It stinks.
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Post by tvor on Jun 19, 2019 11:27:57 GMT 1
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Post by venceremos on Jun 19, 2019 11:32:15 GMT 1
Are we heading into tin foil hat territory now? The enormous increase in postal votes, horrendous amount of rejected votes, people claiming to have burnt votes. It stinks. Not nearly as much as the Farage/Banks/Bannon/Cambridge Analytica stench, which had far more wide reaching effects. Oh, I forgot, there was nothing wrong with that, it was all "the will of the people" and must be respected at all costs …...
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