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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2019 12:25:20 GMT 1
I think it's worth pointing out that the police, including West Mercia, are encouraging neighbours to report suspected domestic abuse. So, while the police turned up and no complaint was made (there usually isn't in domestic abuse cases) the couple were actually right to report it. As for the rest, well, the only people who are actually making this political in terms of labelling them 'leftist' is the Johnson supporting press. You see, b0ll0x works both ways. Indeed, b******s does work both ways and both sides of the argument can be said to be guilty but I still stand by my original comment and feel that it is a non story Potential domestic abuse is not a non-story.
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Post by northwestman on Jun 23, 2019 12:29:41 GMT 1
I like this comment about Johnson too.
'Everything about Boris reeks of Narcissistic Personality Disorder – the Jekyll & Hyde dual personas, the delusions of success, the hunger for power, the grandiosity, the pathological lying, the lack of empathy or compassion, the serial cheating, the lack of moral compass, the self-perception of being unique and special, the sense of entitlement, being so exploitative, his pomposity, the Machiavellian manipulation of everyone and everything. The list goes on'.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 23, 2019 12:31:22 GMT 1
Anyone who says that the actions of these neighbors is not political motivated are living in cloud cuckoo land. That went for a Burton as soon as the contacted the Guardian and passed on the recording they had made and is backed up further still from what we have learnt about them since. People aren't daft, they can see exactly what they are up to.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 23, 2019 12:36:51 GMT 1
How many couples over this, or indeed any weekend have had an argument behind closed doors with threats to either made with raised voices - it’s a non story made into a story because a nosy neighbour has seized the opportunity to make a few bucks and the press are all over it like a rash - it will be something and somebody else within days This isn't about money though. They clearly dislike Johnson (with a fair passion I'd say) considering the one told all on social media that she had given him the middle finger. This is politically motivated, they made the decision to share the details of this to influence the current leadership race.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2019 12:37:16 GMT 1
Anyone who says that the actions of these neighbors is not political motivated are living in cloud cuckoo land. That went for a Burton as soon as the contacted the Guardian and passed on the recording they had made and is backed up further still from what we have learnt about them since. People aren't daft, they can see exactly what they are up to. Nope... they are turning in domestic abuse now or possible domestic abuse.... Cries of get out you bafoon ir Boris your a bell end is not domestic abuse... its an argument... cries of Oww.. Boris dont hit me... or loud screams followed by silence is possible abuse....
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Post by salop27 on Jun 23, 2019 12:41:51 GMT 1
When Boris is in no10 he'll probably get a few less nosey neighbours. If you're concerned about an argument your neighbours are having then do please call the police. Don't then record the argument and pass it on to the papers.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2019 12:44:06 GMT 1
Indeed, b******s does work both ways and both sides of the argument can be said to be guilty but I still stand by my original comment and feel that it is a non story Potential domestic abuse is not a non-story. But Nick, there was no police action taken or needed, no domestic abuse or indeed anything of relevance to require police action so therefore a non story - had there been then I agree that it would’ve worthy of media scrutiny and criticism etc
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 23, 2019 12:45:34 GMT 1
I like this comment about Johnson too. 'Everything about Boris wreaks of Narcissistic Personality Disorder – the Jekyll & Hyde dual personas, the delusions of success, the hunger for power, the grandiosity, the pathological lying, the lack of empathy or compassion, the serial cheating, the lack of moral compass, the self-perception of being unique and special, the sense of entitlement, being so exploitative, his pomposity, the Machiavellian manipulation of everyone and everything. The list goes on'. i am not a fan of any of the candidates ; how far this country has fallen iof that is the best the conservatives can do, as to the above description it would describe most poloticians of most parties. been narcissistic is charcateristic of many poloticians. it must be very difficult for the few who genuingly wont to be a force for good.
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Post by shrewsace on Jun 23, 2019 12:49:49 GMT 1
I definitely think these neighbours are scheming to make sure the famously left-wing, NHS-loving Jeremy Hunt is installed as PM.
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 23, 2019 12:50:04 GMT 1
I think it's worth pointing out that the police, including West Mercia, are encouraging neighbours to report suspected domestic abuse. So, while the police turned up and no complaint was made (there usually isn't in domestic abuse cases) the couple were actually right to report it. As for the rest, well, the only people who are actually making this political in terms of labelling them 'leftist' is the Johnson supporting press. You see, b0ll0x works both ways. Indeed, b******s does work both ways and both sides of the argument can be said to be guilty but I still stand by my original comment and feel that it is a non story If it’s a non storey why’s Boris so concerned he’s after an injunction to stop the recording being broadcast? If it was simply a run of the mill domestic this would then come out out....
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Post by camdenshrew on Jun 23, 2019 12:53:30 GMT 1
I like this comment about Johnson too. 'Everything about Boris wreaks of Narcissistic Personality Disorder – the Jekyll & Hyde dual personas, the delusions of success, the hunger for power, the grandiosity, the pathological lying, the lack of empathy or compassion, the serial cheating, the lack of moral compass, the self-perception of being unique and special, the sense of entitlement, being so exploitative, his pomposity, the Machiavellian manipulation of everyone and everything. The list goes on'. The worrying thing is that so many Tory members and MPS know this but are prepared to turn a blind eye because they think in their infinite wisdom that he will deliver a No Deal Brexit or beat Farage.
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Post by chirkshrew on Jun 23, 2019 13:03:04 GMT 1
Well God help us if he gets in then!!!!
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 23, 2019 13:09:42 GMT 1
Anyone who says that the actions of these neighbors is not political motivated are living in cloud cuckoo land. That went for a Burton as soon as the contacted the Guardian and passed on the recording they had made and is backed up further still from what we have learnt about them since. People aren't daft, they can see exactly what they are up to. Nope... they are turning in domestic abuse now or possible domestic abuse.... Cries of get out you bafoon ir Boris your a bell end is not domestic abuse... its an argument... cries of Oww.. Boris dont hit me... or loud screams followed by silence is possible abuse.... I'll take that as I think it was meant... But even so, we really don't know for sure do we? Unless we hear the row, what was said and how it was said (the context) then we're all guessing. People jumping to conclusions without really knowing what went on. It might be an awful lot of fuss about nothing, it maybe something more serious. Considering the police informed the neighbors that no one had come to harm and considering both (as I understand it) remained together in the flat no one was in harms way then it would suggest the former rather than the latter...but we don't know for sure. Johnson hasn't helped though, mind. He should have just answered the question with a "we had a row, its happens, we all do, that's about it". To evade the question hasn't helped him. Maybe we'll find out more in time...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2019 13:11:59 GMT 1
Potential domestic abuse is not a non-story. But Nick, there was no police action taken or needed, no domestic abuse or indeed anything of relevance to require police action so therefore a non story - had there been then I agree that it would’ve worthy of media scrutiny and criticism etc Your thoughts on Mark Field then? I've seen several defences of him defending his rather overly physical dismissing of a protestor on the basis that she 'could've been a terrorist' or may have concealed a knife. Do we base male aggression toward woman on pretence or what?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2019 13:12:45 GMT 1
Anyone who says that the actions of these neighbors is not political motivated are living in cloud cuckoo land. That went for a Burton as soon as the contacted the Guardian and passed on the recording they had made and is backed up further still from what we have learnt about them since. People aren't daft, they can see exactly what they are up to. Of course this is the major story here isn't it stutty... Christ.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2019 13:16:33 GMT 1
Nope... they are turning in domestic abuse now or possible domestic abuse.... Cries of get out you bafoon ir Boris your a bell end is not domestic abuse... its an argument... cries of Oww.. Boris dont hit me... or loud screams followed by silence is possible abuse.... I'll take that as I think it was meant... But even so, we really don't know for sure do we? Unless we hear the row, what was said and how it was said (the context) then we're all guessing. People jumping to conclusions without really knowing what went on. It might be an awful lot of fuss about nothing, it maybe something more serious. Considering the police informed the neighbors that no one had come to harm and considering both (as I understand it) remained together in the flat no one was in harms way then it would suggest the former rather than the latter...but we don't know for sure. Johnson hasn't helped though, mind. He should have just answered the question with a "we had a row, its happens, we all do, that's about it". To evade the question hasn't helped him. Maybe we'll find out more in time... We know for a fact that two different neighbours were alarmed by the argument. We know that one of them had enough sound of it that a recording could be made. We know that both sets of different neighbours considered calling the police and one in fact did. These are not your everyday argument at the weekend occurrences.. No matter what you or hoover or downie seem to suggest.
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Post by martinshrew on Jun 23, 2019 13:21:41 GMT 1
I'll take that as I think it was meant... But even so, we really don't know for sure do we? Unless we hear the row, what was said and how it was said (the context) then we're all guessing. People jumping to conclusions without really knowing what went on. It might be an awful lot of fuss about nothing, it maybe something more serious. Considering the police informed the neighbors that no one had come to harm and considering both (as I understand it) remained together in the flat no one was in harms way then it would suggest the former rather than the latter...but we don't know for sure. Johnson hasn't helped though, mind. He should have just answered the question with a "we had a row, its happens, we all do, that's about it". To evade the question hasn't helped him. Maybe we'll find out more in time... We know for a fact that two different neighbours were alarmed by the argument. We know that one of them had enough sound of it that a recording could be made. We know that both sets of different neighbours considered calling the police and one in fact did. These are not your everyday argument at the weekend occurrences.. No matter what you or hoover or downie seem to suggest. Hysterical response. Up and down the country every night of the week couples have blazing rows, it happens. Get over it for goodness sake.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2019 13:22:07 GMT 1
Nope... they are turning in domestic abuse now or possible domestic abuse.... Cries of get out you bafoon ir Boris your a bell end is not domestic abuse... its an argument... cries of Oww.. Boris dont hit me... or loud screams followed by silence is possible abuse.... I'll take that as I think it was meant... But even so, we really don't know for sure do we? Unless we hear the row, what was said and how it was said (the context) then we're all guessing. People jumping to conclusions without really knowing what went on. It might be an awful lot of fuss about nothing, it maybe something more serious. Considering the police informed the neighbors that no one had come to harm and considering both (as I understand it) remained together in the flat no one was in harms way then it would suggest the former rather than the latter...but we don't know for sure. Johnson hasn't helped though, mind. He should have just answered the question with a "we had a row, its happens, we all do, that's about it". To evade the question hasn't helped him. Maybe we'll find out more in time... Correct.... it was not aimed at you rather the people who are confusing domestic argument into domestic abuse. I would Defend any person, Corbyn... Abbot.. even Little Jimmy Crankie if they were subjected to this... and i would take the same status as Boris to stop this recording becoming the shape of public property... i woukd also issue an injuction against my neighbour... As for Mark Field... think this is also a non story.... made worse by snowflakes... reality is uninvited guest comes in to room.... and minimal force to remove her unwanted arse out of room... could he justify that in a court of law... i would argue yes....stikes me as woman wants equality.... most of the time...
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 23, 2019 13:36:49 GMT 1
Anyone who says that the actions of these neighbors is not political motivated are living in cloud cuckoo land. That went for a Burton as soon as the contacted the Guardian and passed on the recording they had made and is backed up further still from what we have learnt about them since. People aren't daft, they can see exactly what they are up to. Of course this is the major story here isn't it stutty... Christ. Here? Where? On this thread? Regarding Boris Johnson's neighbours? What? That Johnson and his girlfriend row? Why don't you inform us then what the major story is here?
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 23, 2019 13:50:58 GMT 1
I'll take that as I think it was meant... But even so, we really don't know for sure do we? Unless we hear the row, what was said and how it was said (the context) then we're all guessing. People jumping to conclusions without really knowing what went on. It might be an awful lot of fuss about nothing, it maybe something more serious. Considering the police informed the neighbors that no one had come to harm and considering both (as I understand it) remained together in the flat no one was in harms way then it would suggest the former rather than the latter...but we don't know for sure. Johnson hasn't helped though, mind. He should have just answered the question with a "we had a row, its happens, we all do, that's about it". To evade the question hasn't helped him. Maybe we'll find out more in time... These are not your everyday argument at the weekend occurrences.. No matter what you or hoover or downie seem to suggest. Well we don't know the whole story do we? What we do know that no one was harmed or? And I would suggest no one was in danger of being harmed either otherwise I gather they would have removed Johnson from the property. The police state... At 00.24 on Friday 21 June, police responded to a call from a local resident in [south London]. The caller was concerned for the welfare of a female neighbour. Police attended and spoke to all occupants of the address, who were all safe and well. There were no offences or concerns apparent to the officers and there was no cause for police action.All safe and well. No one hurt or harmed (from what we know now anyhow). So what was it Vincent? If it wasn't your everyday argument, what would you call it?
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 23, 2019 13:53:36 GMT 1
I'll take that as I think it was meant... But even so, we really don't know for sure do we? Unless we hear the row, what was said and how it was said (the context) then we're all guessing. People jumping to conclusions without really knowing what went on. It might be an awful lot of fuss about nothing, it maybe something more serious. Considering the police informed the neighbors that no one had come to harm and considering both (as I understand it) remained together in the flat no one was in harms way then it would suggest the former rather than the latter...but we don't know for sure. Johnson hasn't helped though, mind. He should have just answered the question with a "we had a row, its happens, we all do, that's about it". To evade the question hasn't helped him. Maybe we'll find out more in time... Correct.... it was not aimed at you rather the people who are confusing domestic argument into domestic abuse. I would Defend any person, Corbyn... Abbot.. even Little Jimmy Crankie if they were subjected to this... and i would take the same status as Boris to stop this recording becoming the shape of public property... i woukd also issue an injuction against my neighbour... As for Mark Field... think this is also a non story.... made worse by snowflakes... reality is uninvited guest comes in to room.... and minimal force to remove her unwanted arse out of room... could he justify that in a court of law... i would argue yes....stikes me as woman wants equality.... most of the time... We'll have to agree to disagree about Field but as for Johnson; considering what we know, what has been reported, there are an awful lot of people jumping to conclusions. But I guess we shouldn't be surprised by that...
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Post by shrewsace on Jun 23, 2019 14:15:26 GMT 1
So if you hear a female neighbour shouting 'get off me' and 'get out of my flat' followed by crashing noises, do you?
a) Call the police
b) turn up your TV and pretend to be oblivious?
Personally, if I went for option b and some serious harm came to the woman, I would feel a strong sense of culpability.
If Johnson wants to be PM, then his behaviour/conduct is without doubt a matter of public interest and should be subject to scrutiny.
That doesn't mean that anything below the criminal threshold is off-limits for the media
Unless of course you're, ahem, 'politically motivated' to defend Johnson.
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Post by shrewsace on Jun 23, 2019 14:25:25 GMT 1
We know for a fact that two different neighbours were alarmed by the argument. We know that one of them had enough sound of it that a recording could be made. We know that both sets of different neighbours considered calling the police and one in fact did. These are not your everyday argument at the weekend occurrences.. No matter what you or hoover or downie seem to suggest. Hysterical response. Up and down the country every night of the week couples have blazing rows, it happens. Get over it for goodness sake. All sorts of dreadful things happen 'up and down the country every night of the week' - everything from domestic abuse, child sexual abuse, stabbings... What's your point?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2019 14:28:12 GMT 1
Potential domestic abuse is not a non-story. But Nick, there was no police action taken or needed, no domestic abuse or indeed anything of relevance to require police action so therefore a non story - had there been then I agree that it would’ve worthy of media scrutiny and criticism etc It's irrelevant whether there was police action or not. As I said, most domestic abuse incidents end up with no action. "Get off me" "Get out of my flat" and crashing and banging, suggests a bit more than arguing the t0ss about whose turn is it to wash up. Like I have said, the police actively encourage neighbours to call the them. The neighbours were absolutely right to call the police. Whether people think they were right to contact the press depends on what sort of person you want as PM. Anyway the real issue here now is people's response to potential domestic abuse. It's turned out interesting.
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Post by shrewsace on Jun 23, 2019 14:38:09 GMT 1
But Nick, there was no police action taken or needed, no domestic abuse or indeed anything of relevance to require police action so therefore a non story - had there been then I agree that it would’ve worthy of media scrutiny and criticism etc It's irrelevant whether there was police action or not. As I said, most domestic abuse incidents end up with no action. "Get off me" "Get out of my flat" and crashing and banging, suggests a bit more than arguing the t0ss about whose turn is it to wash up. Like I have said, the police actively encourage neighbours to call the them. The neighbours were absolutely right to call the police. Whether people think they were right to contact the press depends on what sort of person you want as PM. Anyway the real issue here now is people's response to potential domestic abuse. It's turned out interesting. Jesus, is 'no police action' where we're setting the bar in terms of Prime Ministerial candidates' conduct? Maybe this was nothing more than a shouting match - but it doesn't mean our media shouldn't report on it or ask the obvious questions.
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Post by salop27 on Jun 23, 2019 14:53:40 GMT 1
But Nick, there was no police action taken or needed, no domestic abuse or indeed anything of relevance to require police action so therefore a non story - had there been then I agree that it would’ve worthy of media scrutiny and criticism etc It's irrelevant whether there was police action or not. As I said, most domestic abuse incidents end up with no action. "Get off me" "Get out of my flat" and crashing and banging, suggests a bit more than arguing the t0ss about whose turn is it to wash up. Like I have said, the police actively encourage neighbours to call the them. The neighbours were absolutely right to call the police. Whether people think they were right to contact the press depends on what sort of person you want as PM. Anyway the real issue here now is people's response to potential domestic abuse. It's turned out interesting. I don't think anyone's making light of domestic abuse. Police were called, right decision. Police say there's nothing untoward happening, good job the boys in blue. Neighbour recorded row and passed it to a national newspaper, not normal! That's the real issue.
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Post by camdenshrew on Jun 23, 2019 14:57:24 GMT 1
Johnson wants to be Prime Minister. He's got to accept this level of scrutiny whether he likes it or not. It comes with the territory. The problem is he struggles with negative coverage or hostile questioning.
At yesterday's hustings in Birmingham he was asked about his cavalier and careless "f**k business" remark and started asking how long the session had to go. If he gets bored or disheartened so quickly, imagine what it will be like in the full daily glare of the media spotlight should he ever get to Downing Street.
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Post by Flixton_shrew on Jun 23, 2019 16:15:33 GMT 1
Johnson wants to be Prime Minister. He's got to accept this level of scrutiny whether he likes it or not. It comes with the territory. The problem is he struggles with negative coverage or hostile questioning. At yesterday's hustings in Birmingham he was asked about his cavalier and careless "f**k business" remark and started asking how long the session had to go. If he gets bored or disheartened so quickly, imagine what it will be like in the full daily glare of the media spotlight should he ever get to Downing Street. Boris has probably had the free-est of free-rides to get where he is today. The media has a duty to get his behaviour and personality traits under microscopic analysis given that he could be running the country in a month's time. I'm sure there will be plenty of skeletons forced out of cupboards over the coming weeks. Can't wait
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Post by SeanBroseley on Jun 23, 2019 16:53:58 GMT 1
The comments by the MP Bob Stewart that he thought Boris Johnson would be able to command a platoon of soldiers made me laugh. Johnson reminds me of someone I used to work for 20 years ago. The guy wasn't interested in any opinion that differed from his own, rules didn't apply to him, and he could look you squarely in the eye and tell you with complete conviction that black is white. As it happened this person had an army background. One work colleague was a sergeant in the army (first Gulf War) and this guy used to drive him nuts. He said, I've seen this type in the army so many times: fresh-faced lieutenant who thinks they know it all and won't take any advice. You are constantly getting them out of the s**t and covering for them, until you realise they won't change so you start letting them drop b******s.
One unfortunate aspect of Johnson's character is that he is the type of person who would fall in a pile of manure and come up smelling of roses. So despite the Jeremy Kyle potential of multiple kids by multiple women and midnight shouting matches and crockery throwing we may be stuck with him for some time.
Interestingly, if the neighbours had been canny enough they could have leaked it to the Times as that newspaper is gunning for Johnson (while the plebs who read The Sun are still being told that it shines out of Johnson's) and is read by people who are voting in the leadership election.
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