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Post by staffordshrew on Jun 3, 2019 9:52:33 GMT 1
Airforce 1 landed: Would it be good for an all American company (Boeing), if they used one of the supposedly now safe 737Max as Airforce 1?
The Queen to earn her money and attract a load of American tourist money, even the weather playing it's part.
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Post by wakemanender on Jun 3, 2019 12:37:04 GMT 1
Trump would be more suited to arriving on Thomas the tank engine.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2019 12:48:05 GMT 1
Careful chaps, bound to be a couple of B&A “members” who think Trump is a great statesmen and we should all be more respectful of our “greatest ally”
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 3, 2019 12:54:16 GMT 1
whatever you may think of him and i am not a fan, if brexit does come off and we are looking for trade deals, does it help for poloticians to not be diplomatic?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2019 13:18:40 GMT 1
whatever you may think of him and i am not a fan, if brexit does come off and we are looking for trade deals, does it help for poloticians to not be diplomatic? Is trump diplomatic?
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Post by martinshrew on Jun 3, 2019 13:55:49 GMT 1
People protesting his visit are pathetic. There's been far, far more questionable leaders visit the UK.
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Post by wakemanender on Jun 3, 2019 14:20:58 GMT 1
People protesting his visit are pathetic. There's been far, far more questionable leaders visit the UK. Protesting is a full time job for a lot of people many of whom cant be bothered to get a proper job. If you spoke to many people at some of these protests and asked what they were protesting about they wouldn't know.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2019 14:32:16 GMT 1
People protesting his visit are pathetic. There's been far, far more questionable leaders visit the UK. And here they come! So to be clear, we shouldn’t protest at Trumps visit cos he’s not as bad as some who come here?
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Post by martinshrew on Jun 3, 2019 14:54:43 GMT 1
People protesting his visit are pathetic. There's been far, far more questionable leaders visit the UK. And here they come! So to be clear, we shouldn’t protest at Trumps visit cos he’s not as bad as some who come here? Why should we protest at all? The American people voted him in to lead their country, let's just give some respect to the president. I wasn't a huge fan of Obama, but I'd have respected him visiting and continuing to build the strong links between us here in the UK and the US.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2019 15:52:46 GMT 1
And here they come! So to be clear, we shouldn’t protest at Trumps visit cos he’s not as bad as some who come here? Why should we protest at all? The American people voted him in to lead their country, let's just give some respect to the president. I wasn't a huge fan of Obama, but I'd have respected him visiting and continuing to build the strong links between us here in the UK and the US. Ok then, so we shouldn’t protest at things we don’t like or disagree with?
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Post by martinshrew on Jun 3, 2019 16:03:58 GMT 1
Why should we protest at all? The American people voted him in to lead their country, let's just give some respect to the president. I wasn't a huge fan of Obama, but I'd have respected him visiting and continuing to build the strong links between us here in the UK and the US. Ok then, so we shouldn’t protest at things we don’t like or disagree with? As a previous poster pointed out, people will just protest at absolutely anything for the sake of it! This is the president of the United States, let's just show some respect.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2019 16:07:42 GMT 1
Ok then, so we shouldn’t protest at things we don’t like or disagree with? As a previous poster pointed out, people will just protest at absolutely anything for the sake of it! This is the president of the United States, let's just show some respect. So it’s ok to protest but only against causes you feel are worthy and warranted?
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Post by martinshrew on Jun 3, 2019 16:23:14 GMT 1
As a previous poster pointed out, people will just protest at absolutely anything for the sake of it! This is the president of the United States, let's just show some respect. So it’s ok to protest but only against causes you feel are worthy and warranted? The fact protesters are describing Trump's visit as the UK sponsoring a rise of the far right is frankly absurd. Protest what you want, it just seems people want to protest about literally everything at the moment; you wonder how they find the time to attend them all.
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Post by shrewsace on Jun 3, 2019 16:25:13 GMT 1
The irony of rolling out the red carpet and spreading our cheeks for The Donald because we're desperate for a trade deal post-Brexit.
'Taking back control...'
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2019 16:53:56 GMT 1
you wonder how they find the time to attend them all. Do you have a job? I only ask cos you always seem to be on here?
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Post by martinshrew on Jun 3, 2019 16:55:56 GMT 1
you wonder how they find the time to attend them all. Do you have a job? I only ask cos you always seem to be on here? Yes, employed full time. Interestingly you have over 3x more posts than me despite registering 6 months later.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2019 17:15:45 GMT 1
Do you have a job? I only ask cos you always seem to be on here? Yes, employed full time. Interestingly you have over 3x more posts than me despite registering 6 months later. I was married up until 2 years ago, B&A was the closest I got to intelligent conversation!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2019 17:45:11 GMT 1
The idea of unemployment and protest is an interesting one.
It seems to be built on the premise that a 'normal job' or in wakeman's case a 'proper job' precludes there being anyone available in normal working hours there to protest.
It conveniently ignores several facts.
1. These so called normal or proper jobs are already filled, or are limited in number. 2. How about the millions employed in shift work or erroneous working patterns. Should they all get 'proper jobs' too even though point number one stands 3. How about those students or those on leave. Should they negate their democratic right to protest?
Be interested wakeman if you can point me to the study of protesting crowd attenders and employment rate if you'd be so kind.
As for martinshrew's comments. Indeed, the American people elected Donald J Trump as President. Quite why this precludes British people from protesting against a man who is destabilising World security, has been openly hostile to vulnerable people and is helping to spread hatred and division around the globe. Well I'm not quite sure.
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Post by martinshrew on Jun 3, 2019 17:56:13 GMT 1
As for martinshrew's comments. Indeed, the American people elected Donald J Trump as President. Quite why this precludes British people from protesting against a man who is destabilising World security, has been openly hostile to vulnerable people and is helping to spread hatred and division around the globe. Well I'm not quite sure. That's just absolute hysteria.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 3, 2019 18:21:27 GMT 1
I predict an fair bit of hypocrisy and hyperbole and I see we're off to a good start...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2019 19:01:29 GMT 1
People protesting his visit are pathetic. There's been far, far more questionable leaders visit the UK. Protesting is a full time job for a lot of people many of whom cant be bothered to get a proper job. If you spoke to many people at some of these protests and asked what they were protesting about they wouldn't know. I have been on quiet a few protests and I have a full time job. I have marched with Doctors, Teachers, ex-servicemen and women, Firefighters, and sundry other professionals. We and others have had a clear idea about what we're marching against. Any other half-@rsed lazy generalisations you would like to contribute?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2019 19:03:25 GMT 1
People protesting his visit are pathetic. There's been far, far more questionable leaders visit the UK. There have been plenty of protests against 'questionable' leaders, but to be fair they hardly got on the news. Trump is newsworthy and President of a future trading partner.
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Post by venceremos on Jun 3, 2019 19:07:34 GMT 1
People protesting his visit are pathetic. There's been far, far more questionable leaders visit the UK. Not American ones.
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Post by venceremos on Jun 3, 2019 19:15:53 GMT 1
So it’s ok to protest but only against causes you feel are worthy and warranted? The fact protesters are describing Trump's visit as the UK sponsoring a rise of the far right is frankly absurd. Protest what you want, it just seems people want to protest about literally everything at the moment; you wonder how they find the time to attend them all. There was the big revoke Article 50 demonstration a few weeks ago, then this one erm, any more? Not too much time pressure really, unless you have other protests in mind? Or are you thinking of the pro-brexit, countryside alliance, English-nationalist-whatever, football-lads-not-right-wing-or-racist-at-all protesters because, y’know, they’re probably not the same people?
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Post by venceremos on Jun 3, 2019 19:18:52 GMT 1
People protesting his visit are pathetic. There's been far, far more questionable leaders visit the UK. Protesting is a full time job for a lot of people many of whom cant be bothered to get a proper job. If you spoke to many people at some of these protests and asked what they were protesting about they wouldn't know. Yeah, pro-brexiters, football lads, all the far right nutjobs - clueless wastrels, the lot of ‘em.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 3, 2019 19:27:00 GMT 1
People protesting his visit are pathetic. There's been far, far more questionable leaders visit the UK. Not American ones. Can I ask why that makes a difference?
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Post by venceremos on Jun 3, 2019 19:33:27 GMT 1
Can I ask why that makes a difference? We have closer ties to the US than, say, Saudi or China, so when the US president is a lying, racist, misogynistic, war-mongering scumbag seeking flattery & the opportunity to screw us in a post-brexit trade deal, some of us might prefer to say something against him. It’s a bit more of an immediate concern.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 3, 2019 20:49:16 GMT 1
Can I ask why that makes a difference? We have closer ties to the US than, say, Saudi or China, so when the US president is a lying, racist, misogynistic, war-mongering scumbag seeking flattery & the opportunity to screw us in a post-brexit trade deal, some of us might prefer to say something against him. It’s a bit more of an immediate concern. OK; so you hold American political leaders up to a higher standard than those say, from Saudi Arabia and China, because we have closer ties with the USA. Well it makes no sense to me whatsoever but thanks for the response anyhow...
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Post by venceremos on Jun 3, 2019 21:07:52 GMT 1
We have closer ties to the US than, say, Saudi or China, so when the US president is a lying, racist, misogynistic, war-mongering scumbag seeking flattery & the opportunity to screw us in a post-brexit trade deal, some of us might prefer to say something against him. It’s a bit more of an immediate concern. OK; so you hold American political leaders up to a higher standard than those say, from Saudi Arabia and China, because we have closer ties with the USA. Well it makes no sense to me whatsoever but thanks for the response anyhow... Well, you do surprise me. Whatever next?
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Post by thesensationaljt on Jun 3, 2019 23:10:33 GMT 1
I'm not going to pretend Trump is my favourite. But if he wants to swan around Buck House, (Did I ever tell you about the time I got a credit for alertness when on guard there?....true, oh, and an udder Juan at Windsor Castle?.....also true), and the time....I'll leave it at that , I'm not that bovvered about him to be honest. But there is a serious side to the visit. It is to honour the brave British, Commonwealth and American men and women who lost their lives fighting the fascists, which would have meant that you wouldn't even have existed if it wasn't for them sacrificing their lives for you and your families.
The President, whether you like him or not, represents the millions of Americans who paid that sacrifice, and along with my own relatives who died, and those of my wife, Chris, I respect them for it.
I can't say the same for Corbyn, Bercow and the Mayor of London. Pathetic, childish behaviour from the three of them.
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