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Post by venceremos on May 3, 2019 17:17:57 GMT 1
So far:
Tories have lost control of 40 councils and 1,062 councillors - Andrew Neil calls it not just bad but a bloodbath
Labour have lost 9 councils and 110 councillors
UKIP have lost 99 councillors (only 28 left)
Lib Dems have won 11 councils and gained 581 councillors
Greens have gained 151 councillors (three times the number they had)
Independents & others have gained 537 councillors
Excellent news - huge losses for brexit parties, bad losses for the brexit fudging Labour party and huge gains for the openly remain parties.
Old tin ear, Theresa May, and Brandon Lewis, the Tory chairman say the clear message is that they must get their deal done. Can anyone conceive of a set of results that would have made them say anything different? The stupidity and duplicity of these despicable people is beyond a joke. Get them out!
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Post by mattmw on May 3, 2019 18:01:24 GMT 1
Do think the role of brexit in the election results today is being slightly over played
Working in local government I’ve really seen a kick back against the austerity measures of recent years and think these have started to hit a lot of natural conservative voters, who are seeing services they thought would support them in old age disappear.
Be interesting to see if a similar pattern appears in EU elections - obviously the brexit party and UKIP will have more candidates and presence in that election and probably more single issue votes will be cast in that than the local elections
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on May 3, 2019 18:40:32 GMT 1
I agree with Matt, in my area (Trafford) the election for those who bothered was about local issues, the appalling condition of our roads, the dreadful 'service' from the privatised contractors and the rip off contract the Tories signed with them, reduction in youth and elderly services etc.
I suspect the Labour win also had something to do with the perceived good job being done by Andy Burnham in next door Manchester.
I think that things will be different in the EU elections.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2019 18:48:27 GMT 1
Yes, anyone who voted over Brexit needs to give their head a shake.
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Post by franthetownfan on May 3, 2019 19:38:46 GMT 1
Yes, anyone who voted over Brexit needs to give their head a shake. *for
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Post by tvor on May 3, 2019 19:47:58 GMT 1
Seeing the Tories getting a kicking at the polls is always a heart warming experience.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2019 19:51:10 GMT 1
The awful turnout smacks to me of massive voter apathy and people just fed up with it all/ lack of awareness of local elections anyway.
Good to see a storming performance by Labour in telford driven in part by the continued resistance to future fit. Its not all national issues see.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on May 3, 2019 19:53:21 GMT 1
All rather good viewing seeing the two main parties getting a right shoeing...
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2019 20:07:38 GMT 1
The awful turnout smacks to me of massive voter apathy and people just fed up with it all/ lack of awareness of local elections anyway. Good to see a storming performance by Labour in telford driven in part by the continued resistance to future fit. Its not all national issues see. Yeah, good to see such an important local issue to the forefront in Telford. Which, of course, is what local elections should be about. I like to think that the Tory losses area measure of people's resistance to austerity that impact on local services.
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Post by Dancin on May 3, 2019 20:28:46 GMT 1
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Post by percy on May 3, 2019 20:44:50 GMT 1
Theresa May and Corbyn agree that the shift in votes to Green and Liberals (both remain parties) is a clear signal that we need to hurry up and get Brexit done ?!?!
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Post by venceremos on May 3, 2019 21:44:04 GMT 1
Turnout is similar to local elections generally. Of course it’s not all about brexit, as the many independent successes show. But those independent wins also show a loss of patience with the two main parties and that also leads back to brexit, amongst other things.
The idea that the losses of pro-brexit parties and the successes of pro-remain parties, which is the dominant trend in these results, has little or nothing to do with brexit seems far fetched, even if it’s not as simple as that. National and local politics are inextricably connected.
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Post by salop27 on May 3, 2019 21:55:06 GMT 1
Maybe losses for the two main parties are down to the fact they both have their worst leaders in living memory 😊
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2019 23:30:13 GMT 1
Turnout is similar to local elections generally. Of course it’s not all about brexit, as the many independent successes show. But those independent wins also show a loss of patience with the two main parties and that also leads back to brexit, amongst other things. The idea that the losses of pro-brexit parties and the successes of pro-remain parties, which is the dominant trend in these results, has little or nothing to do with brexit seems far fetched, even if it’s not as simple as that. National and local politics are inextricably connected. Again. Either side. It is extraordinarily difficult and somewhat presumptuous to base the local election results on 30% turnout toward a broader national trend. Sure no doubt a lot of ex lib dems and non greens have voted for these parties in their locals due to brexit. Somewhat more a number of Conservative and Labour voters have not voted these parties due to brexit. But to call it a dominant trend is very very presumptuous. I will stake my life where the remain vote has energised in locals to vote for lib dem and green today, the leave vote will amass for the brexit party and others in a few weeks time. Then there is also the mass of local issues at stake in these votes. The 2017 locals proved to be a massive miscalculation in predicting the GE that followed.
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Post by venceremos on May 4, 2019 0:42:58 GMT 1
Turnout is similar to local elections generally. Of course it’s not all about brexit, as the many independent successes show. But those independent wins also show a loss of patience with the two main parties and that also leads back to brexit, amongst other things. The idea that the losses of pro-brexit parties and the successes of pro-remain parties, which is the dominant trend in these results, has little or nothing to do with brexit seems far fetched, even if it’s not as simple as that. National and local politics are inextricably connected. Again. Either side. It is extraordinarily difficult and somewhat presumptuous to base the local election results on 30% turnout toward a broader national trend. Sure no doubt a lot of ex lib dems and non greens have voted for these parties in their locals due to brexit. Somewhat more a number of Conservative and Labour voters have not voted these parties due to brexit. But to call it a dominant trend is very very presumptuous. I will stake my life where the remain vote has energised in locals to vote for lib dem and green today, the leave vote will amass for the brexit party and others in a few weeks time. Then there is also the mass of local issues at stake in these votes. The 2017 locals proved to be a massive miscalculation in predicting the GE that followed. What I called the dominant trend was that the results showed pro-brexit parties did badly and pro-remain parties did well last night. That’s presumptuous? It’s what just happened! I didn’t say the Euro elections won’t be different. The brexit party could even win the biggest single party vote share, as Tories and Labour implode. But the anti-brexit vote will be strong, even if it’s spread around several parties (LD, Green, ChangeUK, SNP, PC). A lot of past Labour voters will be voting for those parties, especially after Corbyn’s inadequate response to Labour’s local election shambles.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2019 9:19:24 GMT 1
38% turn out in our rural ward. I was surprised that it was that high given that we received no information from any of the 5 candidates!
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Post by northwestman on May 4, 2019 9:59:03 GMT 1
Look at the number of spoilt ballots. Unbelievably high. Other than not voting or voting for some of the Independents or right wing fascists there was nowhere for the Leave supporters to put their cross if wanting to vote against the 2 main parties.
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Post by Minormorris64 on May 4, 2019 10:08:14 GMT 1
Look at the number of spoilt ballots. Unbelievably high. Other than not voting or voting for some of the Independents or right wing fascists there was nowhere for the Leave supporters to put their cross if wanting to vote against the 2 main parties. How many ACTUAL spoilt papers as a % and what is normal?
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Post by northwestman on May 4, 2019 10:29:36 GMT 1
Look at the number of spoilt ballots. Unbelievably high. Other than not voting or voting for some of the Independents or right wing fascists there was nowhere for the Leave supporters to put their cross if wanting to vote against the 2 main parties. How many ACTUAL spoilt papers as a % and what is normal? Final figures aren't out yet as far as I can gather. But most Returning Officers reported a very large increase in spoilt ballot papers. In the local elections of 4 years ago, there were 100,000 spoilt ballot papers.
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