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Post by stuttgartershrew on May 3, 2019 19:44:20 GMT 1
Well I thought it was pretty clear from my post that for me it is. I don't think a government can do a great deal if someone has made the decision to leak information. They just have to manage it as best as they can (as they believe they now are having sacked this chap from his role). They can be however, blamed for the collected agreement to allow Huawei to provide such work. It certainly doesn't look good on the UK or on May to have made such a decision considering the recent news surrounding Huawei. When you say ‘recent news surrounding Huawei’ are you referring to the anti China hysteria of the Trump government or is there some factual news I’ve missed? sent from my Huawei Pro How do you mean news? Not sure what you are getting at to be honest. You seem to dismiss the concerns out of hand, you really don't think there is cause for concern? Have a read of this... Huawei, 5G and China as a Security ThreatFrom that document... The Chinese National Intelligence Law of 2016 requires all companies ‘to support, provide assistance, and cooperate in national intelligence work, and guard the secrecy of any national intelligence work that they are aware of. The state shall protect individuals and organisations that support, cooperate with, and collaborate in national intelligence work’.42 In the same manner, the 2014 Counterintelligence Law with its implementing acts lays down obligations for ‘relevant organisations and individuals’ to provide information, facilities, or other assistance, and states the relevant organisations and individuals ‘must not refuse’ cooperation. These acts leave little assurance regarding proper judicial or public oversight to constrain the introduction of backdoors should the state deem this necessary for its broad notion of maintaining state security. As is also stated in this document, China is no stranger to cyber espionage... Mandiant Releases Report Exposing One of China’s Cyber Espionage Groups
So I guess when looking to answer your question; neither. Get back to me with your thoughts after reading that report as to why you consider this nothing more than anti China hysteria from Trumps government rather than a real genuine concern...
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Post by lynch on May 3, 2019 21:19:01 GMT 1
Russia has no equipment in our networks but has successfully hacked us. The NSA are hacking foreign governments and companies at will. We’ve had Huawei kit in our network for over 15 years, including 4G. NCSC has been managing this risk with its Huawei security centre and have significant intelligence on Huawei hardware and software. Some assessments think not using Huawei will impact Europe’s companies competitiveness more compared to US. We should use different suppliers and continue to manage the risks as we have been doing for many years. www.ncsc.gov.uk/blog-post/blog-post-security-complexity-and-huawei-protecting-uks-telecoms-networks
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2019 21:23:23 GMT 1
Russia has no equipment in our networks but has successfully hacked us. The NSA are hacking foreign governments and companies at will. We’ve had Huawei kit in our network for over 15 years, including 4G. NCSC has been managing this risk with its Huawei security centre and have significant intelligence on Huawei hardware and software. Some assessments think not using Huawei will impact Europe’s companies competitiveness more compared to US. We should use different suppliers and continue to manage the risks as we have been doing for many years. www.ncsc.gov.uk/blog-post/blog-post-security-complexity-and-huawei-protecting-uks-telecoms-networksOk, but it's not just about hacking though is it? It's the control the Chinese state has over Huawei. How is that managed?
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Post by lynch on May 3, 2019 21:32:51 GMT 1
The relationship between Huawei and Chinese govt is known. How that could be exploited is known. And we’ve been using their kit for many years and managing the risk. The ncsc blog is a good insight into how. Worth a read.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2019 21:51:07 GMT 1
The relationship between Huawei and Chinese govt is known. How that could be exploited is known. And we’ve been using their kit for many years and managing the risk. The ncsc blog is a good insight into how. Worth a read. I have read it. It suggests that Huawei kit won't be used in the more sensitive layers of the OSI 7 layer model. But, intelligence is gathered in bits and then fitted together to form an overall picture. So, their kit doesn't have to be in the sensitive layers of the infrastructure. The blog also suggests that the recommendations from the working groups are due out now, so this is what we're seeing at the moment. It appears, if the leaks are to be believed, that ministers weren't keen on Huawei, so it would be interesting to see what the recommendations were.
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Post by lynch on May 3, 2019 22:08:51 GMT 1
If the leak’s to be believed they’ll carry on using Huawei as a supplier on none core deployments. Seems some didn’t want to use them at all. Doubt we’ll get to see the minutes to see who said what...maybe in 50 years 🤔
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Post by ssshrew on May 3, 2019 22:21:12 GMT 1
Thirty years if we’re lucky under the thirty year rule!!! Well I doubt I’ll be around but you younger ones will be.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2019 22:31:39 GMT 1
If the leak’s to be believed they’ll carry on using Huawei as a supplier on none core deployments. Seems some didn’t want to use them at all. Doubt we’ll get to see the minutes to see who said what...maybe in 50 years 🤔 Haha, if ever. Yes, it seems May pushed it through.
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Post by davycrockett on May 4, 2019 7:59:13 GMT 1
When you say ‘recent news surrounding Huawei’ are you referring to the anti China hysteria of the Trump government or is there some factual news I’ve missed? sent from my Huawei Pro How do you mean news? Not sure what you are getting at to be honest. You seem to dismiss the concerns out of hand, you really don't think there is cause for concern? Have a read of this... Huawei, 5G and China as a Security ThreatFrom that document... The Chinese National Intelligence Law of 2016 requires all companies ‘to support, provide assistance, and cooperate in national intelligence work, and guard the secrecy of any national intelligence work that they are aware of. The state shall protect individuals and organisations that support, cooperate with, and collaborate in national intelligence work’.42 In the same manner, the 2014 Counterintelligence Law with its implementing acts lays down obligations for ‘relevant organisations and individuals’ to provide information, facilities, or other assistance, and states the relevant organisations and individuals ‘must not refuse’ cooperation. These acts leave little assurance regarding proper judicial or public oversight to constrain the introduction of backdoors should the state deem this necessary for its broad notion of maintaining state security. As is also stated in this document, China is no stranger to cyber espionage... Mandiant Releases Report Exposing One of China’s Cyber Espionage Groups
So I guess when looking to answer your question; neither. Get back to me with your thoughts after reading that report as to why you consider this nothing more than anti China hysteria from Trumps government rather than a real genuine concern... You ask me ‘how I mean news’ yet you stated ‘considering the recent news’ so I’m referring to the news you mention..... not dismissing just not hysterical about it......also better things to do that trawl the internet worrying about ‘bloody foreigner’ it’s a remain thing 👍 sent from my Huawei Pro
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Post by stuttgartershrew on May 4, 2019 9:42:06 GMT 1
How do you mean news? Not sure what you are getting at to be honest. You seem to dismiss the concerns out of hand, you really don't think there is cause for concern? Have a read of this... Huawei, 5G and China as a Security ThreatFrom that document... The Chinese National Intelligence Law of 2016 requires all companies ‘to support, provide assistance, and cooperate in national intelligence work, and guard the secrecy of any national intelligence work that they are aware of. The state shall protect individuals and organisations that support, cooperate with, and collaborate in national intelligence work’.42 In the same manner, the 2014 Counterintelligence Law with its implementing acts lays down obligations for ‘relevant organisations and individuals’ to provide information, facilities, or other assistance, and states the relevant organisations and individuals ‘must not refuse’ cooperation. These acts leave little assurance regarding proper judicial or public oversight to constrain the introduction of backdoors should the state deem this necessary for its broad notion of maintaining state security. As is also stated in this document, China is no stranger to cyber espionage... Mandiant Releases Report Exposing One of China’s Cyber Espionage Groups
So I guess when looking to answer your question; neither. Get back to me with your thoughts after reading that report as to why you consider this nothing more than anti China hysteria from Trumps government rather than a real genuine concern... ...also better things to do that trawl the internet worrying about ‘bloody foreigner’ it’s a remain thing 👍 That you look to couple this with Brexit... Anyhow, considering you talk about 'Trump', 'anti-China', 'hysteria' I can only assume that you are aware of the concerns that have been raised. Just that you do appear to dismiss them looking to the terms you used, whether that's because its Trump (not flavor of the month), the USA (many peoples pubic enemy number one) or because it's concerning a foreign nation (and you can't be critical or worrying about what others might be up to in the world); I don't know. However, judging by your comment above there might be something in that. Which I find all rather bizarre. I think there are concerns about awarded such a contract to China and I think the reasons are well described in the report I linked to... Its a remain thing is it...
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 4, 2019 12:31:37 GMT 1
May must have thought she was safe in genteel Llandudno, however even in a carefully selected group, one person rose up and said she should resign before been escorted out of the meeting
"Heckler Stuart Davies (71), a Tory Party member and former county councillor, said he called for Mrs May to resign because of her handling of Brexit." reported in the north Wales pioneer
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