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Post by philharvey on Apr 29, 2019 10:19:32 GMT 1
In reference to the game Salop played Walsall in 61, last game of season Walsall needing to win to go up, from memory, no segregation of supporters, Walsall winning 2-1 , QPR game was late finish them losing 3-1 To Reading meant Walsall got promoted, both sets of fans on the pitch exchanging handshakes, congratulations, How things have changed.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Apr 29, 2019 10:20:10 GMT 1
This is a potential banana skin for Ricketts and a real test of his ability as a manager. A couple of weeks ago we were looking at an easy midtable finish, then a tough game at Barnsley and a p**spoor performance at home v Oxford gave us a far more nervy finish than anticipated. If we only stay up by a point or, worse, a couple and Walsall stay up by beating us at our place that's a thoroughly dissatisfactory season from Ricketts. Compare and contrast with Hurst who came in at crisis point and turned us round to promotion form; Ricketts inherited a winning team and turned them to s**te overnight seemingly. The sight of Walsall's travelling fans celebrating survival on our pitch will be a real psychological blow to many of our fans who will hold Ricketts responsible. By the sounds of things we grew into the game after a poor start yesterday. I just hope Ricketts can maintain a decent level of training and commitment over the next week and doesn't think now is the time to start blooding too many youngsters or let the players slack off. Note to Ricketts (if it wasn't clear already); you are not off the hook yet, we expect a win on Saturday or at the very, very least an entertaining draw against a spirited side with a lot to play for. Anything less than that will dump you right back in it in my view. Not a Ricketts fan then I guess? Let’s at least not harangue him on the Monday before Saturdays game eh.
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Post by Exkeeper on Apr 29, 2019 10:20:37 GMT 1
05:30am at Police recommendation😜 All league 1 Ko 5.30 pm. Guess it's TV decision. I said 05:30AM. Not a serious comment obviously.
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Post by frankwellshrews on Apr 29, 2019 10:29:42 GMT 1
This is a potential banana skin for Ricketts and a real test of his ability as a manager. A couple of weeks ago we were looking at an easy midtable finish, then a tough game at Barnsley and a p**spoor performance at home v Oxford gave us a far more nervy finish than anticipated. If we only stay up by a point or, worse, a couple and Walsall stay up by beating us at our place that's a thoroughly dissatisfactory season from Ricketts. Compare and contrast with Hurst who came in at crisis point and turned us round to promotion form; Ricketts inherited a winning team and turned them to s**te overnight seemingly. The sight of Walsall's travelling fans celebrating survival on our pitch will be a real psychological blow to many of our fans who will hold Ricketts responsible. By the sounds of things we grew into the game after a poor start yesterday. I just hope Ricketts can maintain a decent level of training and commitment over the next week and doesn't think now is the time to start blooding too many youngsters or let the players slack off. Note to Ricketts (if it wasn't clear already); you are not off the hook yet, we expect a win on Saturday or at the very, very least an entertaining draw against a spirited side with a lot to play for. Anything less than that will dump you right back in it in my view. Not a Ricketts fan then I guess? Let’s at least not harangue him on the Monday before Saturdays game eh. Not a great fan of his, no, to be honest. I'm also more than a bit bored of all this "he's kept us up hasn't he?" and suggestions that anything less than undivided loyalty to him should warrant some kind of banning order coming from certain quarters lately. I don't know what remit Ricketts was given when he signed on the dotted line but I can't imagine it was "keep us up by the skin of our teeth interspersed with the occasional absolute clanger and lengthy periods of utterly abject football". I would be really surprised if a points total of 51 and a final day home defeat against our biggest rivals in this division would meet any one on here's expectations but maybe I'm asking too much. In terms of haranging him before the game, I'm just setting out my stall early for the inevitable bun fight with the Ricketts fan club in the event of a defeat.
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Post by northwestman on Apr 29, 2019 10:51:44 GMT 1
This is a potential banana skin for Ricketts and a real test of his ability as a manager. If we only stay up by a point or, worse, a couple and Walsall stay up by beating us at our place that's a thoroughly dissatisfactory season from Ricketts. Compare and contrast with Hurst who came in at crisis point and turned us round to promotion form; Ricketts inherited a winning team and turned them to s**te overnight seemingly. The sight of Walsall's travelling fans celebrating survival on our pitch will be a real psychological blow to many of our fans who will hold Ricketts responsible. By the sounds of things we grew into the game after a poor start yesterday. I just hope Ricketts can maintain a decent level of training and commitment over the next week and doesn't think now is the time to start blooding too many youngsters or let the players slack off. Note to Ricketts (if it wasn't clear already); you are not off the hook yet, we expect a win on Saturday or at the very, very least an entertaining draw against a spirited side with a lot to play for. Anything less than that will dump you right back in it in my view. I have every faith that 2 of Plymouth, Southend and Wimbledon will make any Walsall win irrelevant and send them down.
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Post by frankwellshrews on Apr 29, 2019 10:55:06 GMT 1
This is a potential banana skin for Ricketts and a real test of his ability as a manager. If we only stay up by a point or, worse, a couple and Walsall stay up by beating us at our place that's a thoroughly dissatisfactory season from Ricketts. Compare and contrast with Hurst who came in at crisis point and turned us round to promotion form; Ricketts inherited a winning team and turned them to s**te overnight seemingly. The sight of Walsall's travelling fans celebrating survival on our pitch will be a real psychological blow to many of our fans who will hold Ricketts responsible. By the sounds of things we grew into the game after a poor start yesterday. I just hope Ricketts can maintain a decent level of training and commitment over the next week and doesn't think now is the time to start blooding too many youngsters or let the players slack off. Note to Ricketts (if it wasn't clear already); you are not off the hook yet, we expect a win on Saturday or at the very, very least an entertaining draw against a spirited side with a lot to play for. Anything less than that will dump you right back in it in my view. I have every faith that 2 of Plymouth, Southend and Wimbledon will make any Walsall win irrelevant and send them down. And I think there's a good chance that won't be the case. It's beside the point anyway. We can't really take any satisfaction from a mathematical relegation if they still win the game. We need to be the ones delivering the bad news. Anything less than that will be a real stain on Ricketts reputation.
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Post by Pilch on Apr 29, 2019 10:55:29 GMT 1
town 0 walsall 2
done deal on the advice of police ;-)
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Post by northwestman on Apr 29, 2019 10:59:14 GMT 1
town 0 walsall 2 done deal on the advice of police ;-) I hope they've laid down some sensible plans for access to Smithy's Bar, which at present is open to all away fans.
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Post by tvor on Apr 29, 2019 11:17:11 GMT 1
This is a potential banana skin for Ricketts and a real test of his ability as a manager. If we only stay up by a point or, worse, a couple and Walsall stay up by beating us at our place that's a thoroughly dissatisfactory season from Ricketts. Compare and contrast with Hurst who came in at crisis point and turned us round to promotion form; Ricketts inherited a winning team and turned them to s**te overnight seemingly. The sight of Walsall's travelling fans celebrating survival on our pitch will be a real psychological blow to many of our fans who will hold Ricketts responsible. By the sounds of things we grew into the game after a poor start yesterday. I just hope Ricketts can maintain a decent level of training and commitment over the next week and doesn't think now is the time to start blooding too many youngsters or let the players slack off. Note to Ricketts (if it wasn't clear already); you are not off the hook yet, we expect a win on Saturday or at the very, very least an entertaining draw against a spirited side with a lot to play for. Anything less than that will dump you right back in it in my view. I have every faith that 2 of Plymouth, Southend and Wimbledon will make any Walsall win irrelevant and send them down. On current form a Plymouth win looks very unlikely. They haven't won since they beat us and have only drawn twice in that time, something like 9 or 10 games. Sc***horpe are poor but they have at least been in their games lately and have shown some fight.
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Post by tvor on Apr 29, 2019 11:26:32 GMT 1
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Post by scooter on Apr 29, 2019 11:28:08 GMT 1
Not a Ricketts fan then I guess? Let’s at least not harangue him on the Monday before Saturdays game eh. Not a great fan of his, no, to be honest. I'm also more than a bit bored of all this "he's kept us up hasn't he?" and suggestions that anything less than undivided loyalty to him should warrant some kind of banning order coming from certain quarters lately. I don't know what remit Ricketts was given when he signed on the dotted line but I can't imagine it was "keep us up by the skin of our teeth interspersed with the occasional absolute clanger and lengthy periods of utterly abject football". I would be really surprised if a points total of 51 and a final day home defeat against our biggest rivals in this division would meet any one on here's expectations but maybe I'm asking too much. In terms of haranging him before the game, I'm just setting out my stall early for the inevitable bun fight with the Ricketts fan club in the event of a defeat. I assume you don’t mean to, but you just give the impression that you can’t wait for us to lose so that you can have another go at him, which is a little sad
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Post by northwestman on Apr 29, 2019 11:30:01 GMT 1
I have every faith that 2 of Plymouth, Southend and Wimbledon will make any Walsall win irrelevant and send them down. On current form a Plymouth win looks very unlikely. They haven't won since they beat us and have only drawn twice in that time, something like 9 or 10 games. Sc***horpe are poor but they have at least been in their games lately and have shown some fight. I'm amazed that Derek Adams is still in a job. Apart from Wycombe and Accrington, every other bottom 12 team has changed their manager. He had a horrendous run for the 1st half of last season too, though admittedly a fantastic second half of the season.
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Post by tvor on Apr 29, 2019 11:31:28 GMT 1
Derek Adams has gone.
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Post by ipswichshrews on Apr 29, 2019 11:33:16 GMT 1
On current form a Plymouth win looks very unlikely. They haven't won since they beat us and have only drawn twice in that time, something like 9 or 10 games. Sc***horpe are poor but they have at least been in their games lately and have shown some fight. I'm amazed that Derek Adams is still in a job. Apart from Wycombe and Accrington, every other bottom 12 team has changed their manager. He had a horrendous run for the 1st half of last season too, though admittedly a fantastic second half of the season. Adams sacked. Plymouth Argyle sack manager Derek Adams - www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48080385
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Post by vixenshrew on Apr 29, 2019 11:33:30 GMT 1
For those that park at Percy throwers despite the garden centre closing at 6 they are honouring the match day parking tho there will only be limited spaces so if you haven't got a season pass get there early.
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Post by scooter on Apr 29, 2019 11:37:24 GMT 1
On current form a Plymouth win looks very unlikely. They haven't won since they beat us and have only drawn twice in that time, something like 9 or 10 games. Sc***horpe are poor but they have at least been in their games lately and have shown some fight. I'm amazed that Derek Adams is still in a job. Apart from Wycombe and Accrington, every other bottom 12 team has changed their manager. He had a horrendous run for the 1st half of last season too, though admittedly a fantastic second half of the season. Very surprised to find Northwestman not first with the news 😮
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Post by northwestman on Apr 29, 2019 11:39:00 GMT 1
I'm amazed that Derek Adams is still in a job. Apart from Wycombe and Accrington, every other bottom 12 team has changed their manager. He had a horrendous run for the 1st half of last season too, though admittedly a fantastic second half of the season. Very surprised to find Northwestman not first with the news 😮 wow! that's taking a chance with only one game left! But you are right. I'll have to sharpen my act up.
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Post by scooter on Apr 29, 2019 11:41:06 GMT 1
Very surprised to find Northwestman not first with the news 😮 wow! that's taking a chance with only one game left! He got some awful abuse off the Plymouth fans at Accrington. Last throw of the dice I suppose by their board
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Apr 29, 2019 12:02:40 GMT 1
Not a great fan of his, no, to be honest. I'm also more than a bit bored of all this "he's kept us up hasn't he?" and suggestions that anything less than undivided loyalty to him should warrant some kind of banning order coming from certain quarters lately. I don't know what remit Ricketts was given when he signed on the dotted line but I can't imagine it was "keep us up by the skin of our teeth interspersed with the occasional absolute clanger and lengthy periods of utterly abject football". I would be really surprised if a points total of 51 and a final day home defeat against our biggest rivals in this division would meet any one on here's expectations but maybe I'm asking too much. In terms of haranging him before the game, I'm just setting out my stall early for the inevitable bun fight with the Ricketts fan club in the event of a defeat. I assume you don’t mean to, but you just give the impression that you can’t wait for us to lose so that you can have another go at him, which is a little sad Well that was the way I read it too
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Post by Pilch on Apr 29, 2019 12:08:28 GMT 1
town 0 walsall 2 done deal on the advice of police ;-) I hope they've laid down some sensible plans for access to Smithy's Bar, which at present is open to all away fans. already asked, they won't be allowed in
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Post by northwestman on Apr 29, 2019 12:10:19 GMT 1
Some Plymouth fans clearly have had more than enough of Adams:-
"We have a manager who received the first Red Card ever handed out to a manager in the EFL, who called our own fans "yobs" and "fickle" for booing him off when we were rock bottom of the League after we embarrassingly lost a game earlier on in the season, who refuses to give a post match interview after losing 5-1, who criticises one of our injured players openly on the radio for not being able to "play through the pain", who repeatedly antagonises opposition fans, players and managers, who sets up to be defensive when everyone knows our defence is our weak link in the team, who is never ever honest in press conferences, often saying we " dominated large amounts of the game" after we have been thumped and who spends our transfer budget on 18 woeful, non league players when we only need 8 good ones, and then moans about our budget (which is almost certainly bigger than Accrington's) despite the fact that the Board openly stated they would increase it if he asked them to!
I dont care about getting relegated, I care about the repeated lack of effort from the players and the woeful attitude of a rude, selfish, antagonistic manager."
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Post by Pilch on Apr 29, 2019 12:23:49 GMT 1
This is a potential banana skin for Ricketts and a real test of his ability as a manager. A couple of weeks ago we were looking at an easy midtable finish, then a tough game at Barnsley and a p**spoor performance at home v Oxford gave us a far more nervy finish than anticipated. If we only stay up by a point or, worse, a couple and Walsall stay up by beating us at our place that's a thoroughly dissatisfactory season from Ricketts. Compare and contrast with Hurst who came in at crisis point and turned us round to promotion form; Ricketts inherited a winning team and turned them to s**te overnight seemingly. The sight of Walsall's travelling fans celebrating survival on our pitch will be a real psychological blow to many of our fans who will hold Ricketts responsible. By the sounds of things we grew into the game after a poor start yesterday. I just hope Ricketts can maintain a decent level of training and commitment over the next week and doesn't think now is the time to start blooding too many youngsters or let the players slack off. Note to Ricketts (if it wasn't clear already); you are not off the hook yet, we expect a win on Saturday or at the very, very least an entertaining draw against a spirited side with a lot to play for. Anything less than that will dump you right back in it in my view. i thought a few weeks ago we were going down and Plymouth were safe in the top half ? this mid table thing shouldn't be taken into consideration this season its been like no other season I can remember depending on which end the ball went in you could be in the relegation zone or 13th few games to go its like the opening day of the season can't wait for us to lose our opening game and someone mention where we are in the league remember when Wimbledon beat us ? I said, they are on the up but many look at the table as see they are bottom = easy win Oxford are top 3 in the current form table we should have won at promotion favourites Barnsley some people only ever look for negatives the goal posts keep moving its no longer if we stay up its if we only stay up for x many points and hurst did this, hurst did that hurst cleaned his desk before the biggest game ever and ****ed off to become the worst manager out of the 92 this season thats what hurst did
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Post by venceremos on Apr 29, 2019 12:43:25 GMT 1
This is a potential banana skin for Ricketts and a real test of his ability as a manager. A couple of weeks ago we were looking at an easy midtable finish, then a tough game at Barnsley and a p**spoor performance at home v Oxford gave us a far more nervy finish than anticipated. If we only stay up by a point or, worse, a couple and Walsall stay up by beating us at our place that's a thoroughly dissatisfactory season from Ricketts. Compare and contrast with Hurst who came in at crisis point and turned us round to promotion form; Ricketts inherited a winning team and turned them to s**te overnight seemingly. The sight of Walsall's travelling fans celebrating survival on our pitch will be a real psychological blow to many of our fans who will hold Ricketts responsible. By the sounds of things we grew into the game after a poor start yesterday. I just hope Ricketts can maintain a decent level of training and commitment over the next week and doesn't think now is the time to start blooding too many youngsters or let the players slack off. Note to Ricketts (if it wasn't clear already); you are not off the hook yet, we expect a win on Saturday or at the very, very least an entertaining draw against a spirited side with a lot to play for. Anything less than that will dump you right back in it in my view. You lost me at "Ricketts inherited a winning team". Has one of us just come round from a coma?
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Post by venceremos on Apr 29, 2019 12:46:44 GMT 1
This is a potential banana skin for Ricketts and a real test of his ability as a manager. A couple of weeks ago we were looking at an easy midtable finish, then a tough game at Barnsley and a p**spoor performance at home v Oxford gave us a far more nervy finish than anticipated. If we only stay up by a point or, worse, a couple and Walsall stay up by beating us at our place that's a thoroughly dissatisfactory season from Ricketts. Compare and contrast with Hurst who came in at crisis point and turned us round to promotion form; Ricketts inherited a winning team and turned them to s**te overnight seemingly. The sight of Walsall's travelling fans celebrating survival on our pitch will be a real psychological blow to many of our fans who will hold Ricketts responsible. By the sounds of things we grew into the game after a poor start yesterday. I just hope Ricketts can maintain a decent level of training and commitment over the next week and doesn't think now is the time to start blooding too many youngsters or let the players slack off. Note to Ricketts (if it wasn't clear already); you are not off the hook yet, we expect a win on Saturday or at the very, very least an entertaining draw against a spirited side with a lot to play for. Anything less than that will dump you right back in it in my view. You lost me at "Ricketts inherited a winning team". Has one of us just come round from a coma? Yeah, about that "promotion form" thing. Hurst's record was 41 points from 31 games. That gets you 61 points over a season. Reasonable but hardly promotion form. And he finished the season with 9 points from the last 10 games …..
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Post by frankwellshrews on Apr 29, 2019 12:55:48 GMT 1
This is a potential banana skin for Ricketts and a real test of his ability as a manager. A couple of weeks ago we were looking at an easy midtable finish, then a tough game at Barnsley and a p**spoor performance at home v Oxford gave us a far more nervy finish than anticipated. If we only stay up by a point or, worse, a couple and Walsall stay up by beating us at our place that's a thoroughly dissatisfactory season from Ricketts. Compare and contrast with Hurst who came in at crisis point and turned us round to promotion form; Ricketts inherited a winning team and turned them to s**te overnight seemingly. The sight of Walsall's travelling fans celebrating survival on our pitch will be a real psychological blow to many of our fans who will hold Ricketts responsible. By the sounds of things we grew into the game after a poor start yesterday. I just hope Ricketts can maintain a decent level of training and commitment over the next week and doesn't think now is the time to start blooding too many youngsters or let the players slack off. Note to Ricketts (if it wasn't clear already); you are not off the hook yet, we expect a win on Saturday or at the very, very least an entertaining draw against a spirited side with a lot to play for. Anything less than that will dump you right back in it in my view. You lost me at "Ricketts inherited a winning team". Has one of us just come round from a coma? We won something like 5 out of 6 games under the caretakers. Ricketts then achieved something like 1 in 10 with the same team. Stark contrast. As for the Hurst form thing, maybe promotion form is an exaggeration but our performance in the latter half of that season when he took over from Mellon was worlds apart from what we've seen under Ricketts. We had forward momentum going into Hurst's first full season. We're in turmoil under Ricketts.
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Post by tvor on Apr 29, 2019 12:56:12 GMT 1
remember when Wimbledon beat us ? Wimbledon haven't beaten us since 2012.
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Post by Pilch on Apr 29, 2019 12:59:24 GMT 1
This is a potential banana skin for Ricketts and a real test of his ability as a manager. A couple of weeks ago we were looking at an easy midtable finish, then a tough game at Barnsley and a p**spoor performance at home v Oxford gave us a far more nervy finish than anticipated. If we only stay up by a point or, worse, a couple and Walsall stay up by beating us at our place that's a thoroughly dissatisfactory season from Ricketts. Compare and contrast with Hurst who came in at crisis point and turned us round to promotion form; Ricketts inherited a winning team and turned them to s**te overnight seemingly. The sight of Walsall's travelling fans celebrating survival on our pitch will be a real psychological blow to many of our fans who will hold Ricketts responsible. By the sounds of things we grew into the game after a poor start yesterday. I just hope Ricketts can maintain a decent level of training and commitment over the next week and doesn't think now is the time to start blooding too many youngsters or let the players slack off. Note to Ricketts (if it wasn't clear already); you are not off the hook yet, we expect a win on Saturday or at the very, very least an entertaining draw against a spirited side with a lot to play for. Anything less than that will dump you right back in it in my view. You lost me at "Ricketts inherited a winning team". Has one of us just come round from a coma? I think he is on about the results Coyne produced 100% away defeats in the league 1 win against a league 2 reserve side 1 win against a non league side and yes 4 wins at home quite impressive turn around but they were against Sc***horpe , walsall , Plymouth, and rochdale I actually think askey may have done similar had he been given the chance to stay buy oh no, the fans wanted him gone im not knocking Coyne, I'd have been happy for him to hang on until the end of the season but come on , that argument is scraping the barrel to claim he inherited a winning side pathetic really
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Post by Pilch on Apr 29, 2019 13:03:00 GMT 1
remember when Wimbledon beat us ? Wimbledon haven't beaten us since 2012. oh yeah , sorry it was 0-0 I think the problem is our negative fans kind of convince us that we lost some games when we didnt Wimbledon away sounded like a defeat Wycombe at home etc
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Apr 29, 2019 13:11:42 GMT 1
You lost me at "Ricketts inherited a winning team". Has one of us just come round from a coma? I think he is on about the results Coyne produced 100% away defeats in the league 1 win against a league 2 reserve side 1 win against a non league side and yes 4 wins at home quite impressive turn around but they were against Sc***horpe , walsall , Plymouth, and rochdale I actually think askey may have done similar had he been given the chance to stay buy oh no, the fans wanted him gone im not knocking Coyne, I'd have been happy for him to hang on until the end of the season but come on , that argument is scr@ping the barrel to claim he inherited a winning side pathetic really Interesting about WHO Coyne got wins against... In the last 10 games (more than Coyne had in the league) We have only beaten three teams..... These were Wycombe (18th), Southend (20th) and Gillingham (15th) Hardly the cavalcade of big teams beaten by Ricketts in the last 10 either...
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Post by venceremos on Apr 29, 2019 13:17:51 GMT 1
You lost me at "Ricketts inherited a winning team". Has one of us just come round from a coma? We won something like 5 out of 6 games under the caretakers. Ricketts then achieved something like 1 in 10 with the same team. Stark contrast. As for the Hurst form thing, maybe promotion form is an exaggeration but our performance in the latter half of that season when he took over from Mellon was worlds apart from what we've seen under Ricketts. We had forward momentum going into Hurst's first full season. We're in turmoil under Ricketts. We did well in the Coyne/Ramsay interregnum but there were only 2 league wins (and a defeat) in that period. I don't get excited either way by a couple of Checkatrade results. Hurst did exceptionally well when he took over. But "exceptionally" is the key word. It was an unlikely turnaround but, when you look closer, it wasn't for the entirety of the rest of the season. We struggled badly in the run in - as I pointed out, relegation form in the last 10 games, only 9 points. It's also worth remembering that we weren't at all an entertaining watch during that spell. Didn't matter, it was all about staying up, but let's not kid ourselves that he turned a struggling team into Man City. I don't deny it's been a struggle for Ricketts but we've been in a relegation scrap ever since we only took 3 points from our first 6 games. The idea that there was a "winning team" to inherit is laughable. There'd been a short-term improvement that brought us 6 points under the caretakers, that's all. It'd be crazy to extrapolate from that to say we should have been winning from then on. I'm not claiming it's been a great achievement to keep us up. But it's not a failure either. Ricketts achieved a bit more than the minimum I'd have wanted when he took over (effectively keeping us up with 2 games to spare) plus a bit more because of the good FA Cup run. I'll take that. Now he should have the opportunity to build and prepare his own squad for a full season, just like Hurst. How you can see this as a club in turmoil beggars belief. It's been a messy, unsatisfactory season but we've come through it and now have the time and opportunity to reset for next season. It's not a question of being a fan club for the manager but we recruited him in difficult circumstances, we've come through them and therefore he's earned the right to shape the squad as he wants it to be, not what he inherited. And he's earned the right to have the fans' backing for next season too. You never know, he may turn out to be a good manager …...
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