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Post by venceremos on Apr 28, 2019 18:34:57 GMT 1
There are several ways to look at this. When SR got here we were 7 points clear of the bottom 4. The chances are we will stay up on goal difference. He's here and that's that until RW, or whoever decides otherwise. But, I can see why folk are sceptical about him. Your prediction hasn’t aged well - and it’s only been 3 hours!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2019 18:52:39 GMT 1
There are several ways to look at this. When SR got here we were 7 points clear of the bottom 4. The chances are we will stay up on goal difference. He's here and that's that until RW, or whoever decides otherwise. But, I can see why folk are sceptical about him. Your prediction hasn’t aged well - and it’s only been 3 hours! It wasn't a predication. I suggested there was a chance we would only stay up on goal difference. We aren't, however there's chance we will stay up by a point. If there's one thing I've learnt over the past 44 years in never predicate what Salop are going to do.
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Post by venceremos on Apr 28, 2019 19:04:47 GMT 1
I think one thing is certain. Whichever way it goes, there’ll be someone saying “told you so” before the leaves fall.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2019 19:07:03 GMT 1
Your prediction hasn’t aged well - and it’s only been 3 hours! It wasn't a predication. I suggested there was a chance we would only stay up on goal difference. We aren't, however there's chance we will stay up by a point. If there's one thing I've learnt over the past 44 years in never predicate what Salop are going to do. Because Plymouth and Sc***horpe are playing each other... we will be safe by at least 2 points....i think...
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Post by tvor on Apr 28, 2019 19:13:22 GMT 1
It wasn't a predication. I suggested there was a chance we would only stay up on goal difference. We aren't, however there's chance we will stay up by a point. If there's one thing I've learnt over the past 44 years in never predicate what Salop are going to do. Because Plymouth and Sc***horpe are playing each other... we will be safe by at least 2 points....i think... Plymouth and Southend could both get to 50 points, Wycombe and Wimbledon could both better our points total if we lose. I think the worst case is we would be one point clear of 21st. On the other side of the coin we could finish as high as 13th if we win and results go our way.
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Post by Pilch on Apr 28, 2019 19:30:26 GMT 1
Rickets have now achieved the same as hurst
They both kept us in league 1 ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2019 20:07:21 GMT 1
It wasn't a predication. I suggested there was a chance we would only stay up on goal difference. We aren't, however there's chance we will stay up by a point. If there's one thing I've learnt over the past 44 years in never predicate what Salop are going to do. Because Plymouth and Sc***horpe are playing each other... we will be safe by at least 2 points....i think... F00k knows, and not that bothered now, thankfully.
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Post by Pilch on Apr 28, 2019 23:49:48 GMT 1
good performance today we deserved to win
obviously not enough for some as rickets started the game at 22% out and now has 25% out
remember those at Ipswich who hounded out Mick Mccarthy ?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 4:06:13 GMT 1
'Not the result we wanted but we go again on Saturday'
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 6:55:59 GMT 1
'Not the result we wanted but we go again on Saturday' Tell me he didn’t actually say that. Micky Mellon all over again and Ph to save us come October anyone?
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Post by Pilch on Apr 29, 2019 10:54:04 GMT 1
why do some seriously think hurst is coming back ?
he is detested by quite a % of town fans, and if rumours are correct, there is a lot of bad blood in the boardroom too
presumably he'll bring Henderson, nsiala, Godfrey, Nolan,rodman, Morris agogo, brown with him and we'll all live happily ever after
your fairly tale had a bad ending and isn't going to start all over again and end happy next time
move on please
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 11:04:20 GMT 1
'Not the result we wanted but we go again on Saturday' Dear god no! Not a post match cliche! Sack him and sack him now!
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Post by pensh on Apr 29, 2019 11:31:05 GMT 1
why do some seriously think hurst is coming back ? he is detested by quite a % of town fans, and if rumours are correct, there is a lot of bad blood in the boardroom too presumably he'll bring Henderson, nsiala, Godfrey, Nolan,rodman, Morris agogo, brown with him and we'll all live happily ever after your fairly tale had a bad ending and isn't going to start all over again and end happy next time move on please Great post.
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Post by scooter on Apr 29, 2019 11:34:29 GMT 1
The attitude tomorrow will give me more reason to think carefully before I vote. The season isn’t over until about 5pm next week and I want my team to finish as high as possible. Don’t get me wrong I want our young manager to succeed but I like to weigh up all my options. I can’t resist asking. Did SR pass the test ?
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Post by Pilch on Apr 29, 2019 12:43:14 GMT 1
The attitude tomorrow will give me more reason to think carefully before I vote. The season isn’t over until about 5pm next week and I want my team to finish as high as possible. Don’t get me wrong I want our young manager to succeed but I like to weigh up all my options. I can’t resist asking. Did SR pass the test ? decision adjourned I think until after the walsall game
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Post by ssshrew on Apr 29, 2019 13:02:05 GMT 1
The attitude tomorrow will give me more reason to think carefully before I vote. The season isn’t over until about 5pm next week and I want my team to finish as high as possible. Don’t get me wrong I want our young manager to succeed but I like to weigh up all my options. I can’t resist asking. Did SR pass the test ? Yes. The enthusiasm shown by the players at the end demonstrated that he can motivate them. Mind you I did think the first half was dire. So I am a definite yes. He will need support and patience from us I am sure but it will be really good if we can set a young manager on his way. Of course, if he is successful he will move on but so long as there’s nothing sneaky about it that’s fine with me.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 13:03:06 GMT 1
I can’t resist asking. Did SR pass the test ? decision adjourned I think until after the walsall game To be fair, if Town beat Walsall to send them down next week, not only will I be happy to offer a new contract, I will also pay for a bronze statue to be made of SR and erected in the meadow car park!
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Post by ssshrew on Apr 29, 2019 13:05:23 GMT 1
I don’t think I can judge on the Walsall game as it is probably going to be one like no other. Many factors could come into play outside of the manager’s control. Now we are safe it’s just an end of season game to hopefully enjoy.
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Post by Pilch on Apr 29, 2019 13:07:45 GMT 1
decision adjourned I think until after the walsall game To be fair, if Town beat Walsall to send them down next week, not only will I be happy to offer a new contract, I will also pay for a bronze statue to be made of SR and erected in the meadow car park! if we are going to be sarky I'll pay for a gold statue of hurst and pop it on top of the column
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 13:19:30 GMT 1
To be fair, if Town beat Walsall to send them down next week, not only will I be happy to offer a new contract, I will also pay for a bronze statue to be made of SR and erected in the meadow car park! if we are going to be sarky I'll pay for a gold statue of hurst and pop it on top of the column Am sure the NHS will donate a bit of cash to pay for those, after all we’ll be getting an extra £350m per week when we leave the EU. Ah sorry, getting my threads mixed up for sarcastic replies.
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Post by ssshrew on Apr 29, 2019 13:21:18 GMT 1
I didn’t read it as sarky just amusing.
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Post by Namur on Apr 29, 2019 13:25:54 GMT 1
why do some seriously think hurst is coming back ? he is detested by quite a % of town fans, and if rumours are correct, there is a lot of bad blood in the boardroom too presumably he'll bring Henderson, nsiala, Godfrey, Nolan,rodman, Morris agogo, brown with him and we'll all live happily ever after your fairly tale had a bad ending and isn't going to start all over again and end happy next time move on please Agreed. Hurst has been our Brexit this season. Fiercely divisive with very polarised opinions. It’s contributed to this season becoming very wearing. Poor Sam Ricketts has been on a hiding to nothing since he arrived, with a lot of the fan base seemingly only wanting him out as he isn’t Paul Hurst, who of course would wave a magic wand and we’d all live happily ever after. Let’s not forget Hurst also spent his first months firefighting and getting us over the line ahead of next season. Plenty of (perhaps more knowledgable) supporters can make a decent argument against Ricketts, tactics etc, which is fair enough. But there’s plenty of others who just seem to be able to find a stick to bash Ricketts wherever they can. If Hurst had signed Dave Edwards last year and he then struggled, it would still be a master-signing of a home legend, instead we’ve had rubbish about Ricketts looking after his old mates. His voice doesn’t match his face apparently!? Anything he says or does is seemingly twisted against him. He deserves time to get a squad together and go at it properly next season. I think there’s a good manager waiting to get out, maybe as some have said, an experienced head behind the scenes to mentor? In the meantime, yeah, get that gold statue of Hurst erected on the Column. The Hurst helmets can go worship there every other Saturday whilst the rest of us concentrate on the here and now.
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Post by tvor on Apr 29, 2019 13:30:22 GMT 1
There are too many people who are polarised at either end of the debate. Some people who don't like Ricketts and want him out regardless, other people who seemingly won't accept any criticism of him. This is not very conducive to much in the way of a decent debate, so we largely just see the slanging match that other threads often turn into.
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Post by ssshrew on Apr 29, 2019 14:02:12 GMT 1
There are too many people who are polarised at either end of the debate. Some people who don't like Ricketts and want him out regardless, other people who seemingly won't accept any criticism of him. This is not very conducive to much in the way of a decent debate, so we largely just see the slanging match that other threads often turn into. Agreed which is why I waited before voting. I fell into the Hurst is wonderful school of thought last season only to be bitterly disappointed in him at the end. I tend not to make the same mistakes twice. Having thought everything through I am sure SR deserves our support for the moment and certainly for the beginning of next season. I wonder how long Fred Davies would have lasted in 1993 had he been judged on the first few games and we all know how that season ended. We have to give the bloke a chance and hope that he can conjure up a bunch of individuals who can come together as a team for next season. I am hoping he will be at the Supporters’ Evening tomorrow as well. Quite a bit about him will be learned if he is there. The way he is with the fans, the players and just his body language could be very interesting.
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Post by venceremos on Apr 29, 2019 14:05:22 GMT 1
There are too many people who are polarised at either end of the debate. Some people who don't like Ricketts and want him out regardless, other people who seemingly won't accept any criticism of him. This is not very conducive to much in the way of a decent debate, so we largely just see the slanging match that other threads often turn into. I can't think of anyone on here who won't accept any criticism of Ricketts. I just think the vehemence of some of his critics has prompted some of us to defend him. I know I'm still critical of him privately - I just don't find it very edifying to join in the kickings that get dished out on here. You could be forgiven for thinking we were losing a relegation struggle at the bottom of League 2 the way his fiercest critics describe it - "least enjoyable season", "in turmoil" to quote just two from the last 24 hours when, in case we forget, we've just confirmed our League 1 place for next season with a point away to a top 8 team! If we're going to sack every manager who can't make a winning team out of an inherited, losing one then we're going to be a hire and fire club to match the worst of them. He's done what he had to do. Now let's just give the guy a chance to do the next thing, which is to build and prepare his own squad for a full season. Surely that's not too much to ask?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2019 14:53:18 GMT 1
I didn’t read it as sarky just amusing. I was definitely being sarky! 😂
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Post by ssshrew on Apr 29, 2019 15:31:27 GMT 1
In that case - what a great sarky comment !!
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Post by champagneprince on Apr 29, 2019 19:35:57 GMT 1
Ricketts is a young, inexperienced manager trying to build a career in a difficult profession. He's done the job he was paid to do for this season and next year hopefully we'll keep improving.
It's not been a 'terrible season', it's only been a terrible season versus the freak season we had under Hurst. Being a 'freak' season doesn't mean it could happen again under Hurst, there is no guarantee the players would gel just as well second time around. A few years ago we'd have taken a season like this all day long.
I hope Ricketts works hard over the summer months to reflect on what went well and what didn't. I hope he can use the experience to sort out his weaknesses. Let's not forget that he needs the experience, he IS inexperienced.
One thing I doubt over the summer is that he'll bugger off to Ipswich should they come knocking. I think he wants to progress with us and build a good grounding for a future in the game. I suspect this is one thing Roland and Caldwell looked for when appointing him.
For that, I wish him well, I hope he does the job well. I hope he sticks with us a few years and progresses us to become genuine contenders for promotion, instead of being just a club who punched above their weight and would likely have come straight back down (that's not really progression in my book)
And if we do reach the promised land I hope he sticks with us, until one day perhaps his time comes to move on to a bigger club to which I hope we wish him well because it's all honourable and done above board.
So, I want him to stay with us, use the experience he's gained to help us progress and stick with us if we do well. If we finish a few places higher next year then it's progression and for a small club like ours that slow progression is surely the right approach. We would never have competed in The Championship under Hurst or any other manager, it was just too soon for us. Shrewsbury Town need to do it the steady way.
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Post by tvor on Apr 29, 2019 20:03:09 GMT 1
'Not the result we wanted but we go again on Saturday' Tell me he didn’t actually say that. Micky Mellon all over again and Ph to save us come October anyone? I don't think he said that but he did make a bizarre comment about Coventry really being a top four side.
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Post by shrewsace on Apr 29, 2019 20:11:34 GMT 1
Give him a crack at next season by all means.
But let's cut the crap.
He kept us up? We were seven points and six places outside the relegation zone when he took over!
Seems some people's loathing of Hurst is driving them to make all sorts of claims for Ricketts' often underwhelming time in charge to date.
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