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Post by cheggersdrinkspop on Nov 23, 2019 15:01:11 GMT 1
Is anyone really that naive to believe a political party manifesto, they are just soundbites to gain popularity and are never backed up by any concrete facts and figures. Who ever gets in will not deliver any promises, but my own opinion is that nationalising any business or industry is a catastrophe, look at any government run institution, local authorities, health service, civil service, etc etc, is someone telling me that these are successful. Recent and current events in the NHS paint their own picture, local authorities running out of money because they couldn't manage a p up in a brewery, good luck to the employees if the utility companies, railways, and the post office. As for this pipe dream of employees being part owners of the company they work for, has anyone told the politicians (who most of have never had a proper job) that most people don't give a toss about the company they work for and spend the majority of their time trying to do as little as possible work for as much money they can get (running my own business and managing in industry gives me an insight into this). Anyway I doubt none of it will happen as they can't pay for it, and as I said originally manifestos are full of broken promises, read the last conservative one when we last had an election.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Nov 23, 2019 17:01:02 GMT 1
Whilst it well needs looking into by someone/thing that might bring some change to the game it still wont be pursauding me to vote Labour any time soon with that pillock as the leader. Did you see Boris's fumbling performance last night? Embarrassing 🐷 That has been the problem for years though. Never anyone worth voting for, so most people just vote for who they think is the slightly better option. Imo Boris is slightly better than Corbyn, just not by very much.
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Post by davycrockett on Nov 23, 2019 19:10:27 GMT 1
Did you see Boris's fumbling performance last night? Embarrassing 🐷 That has been the problem for years though. Never anyone worth voting for, so most people just vote for who they think is the slightly better option. Imo Boris is slightly better than Corbyn, just not by very much. Only if your a conservative
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Post by tvor on Nov 25, 2019 21:47:04 GMT 1
www.portsmouthfc.co.uk/news/2019/november/portsmouth-fc-statement-bury-match/" Following ongoing consultation with the Tony Goodall Fans’ Conference and Heritage & Advisory Board, the club have agreed that all current season ticket holders have the option to receive a credit based on 1/23rd of the purchase price of their season ticket by way of either:
- A credit against their 2020/21 season ticket. - A ticket to watch Pompey Women play at Fratton Park for a match currently scheduled to take place on the weekend of April 25-26 (if supporters choose this option then the money will be donated to Pompey Women). - A donation to the Pompey Academy."
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Post by theriverside on Dec 4, 2019 8:51:00 GMT 1
Another day in court today for what little remains of Bury FC.
Meanwhile, a phoenix club appears to have the support of a large proportion of the fanbase..........sounds like a good solution and they get to wipe the slate clean and start again down the pyramid under fan ownership.
They can't help making a balls of it though.............the main supporter group Forever Bury (who are the group still trying to revive the corpse of Bury FC) appears to have disregarded the constitution agreed by its thousands of members and gone into partnership with a 'businessman' to try and revive the old club WITHOUT ACTUALLY CONSULTING IT'S MEMBERS!
Bury AFC has been formed at companies house, with a Robert Benwell the main man owning 90% of the club with the remaining 10% by Forever Bury (they were offered 20% but for some bizarre reason decided 10 was enough). The guy has no established business, not a pot to pee in and his history consists of him owning a couple of firms 'selling' vape products that didn't ever trade and were dissolved thereafter. Rumours abound of which shady character he is acting as a stooge for. All this after they have only just got rid of some 18 year old called Jack Ryan who had MASSIVE plans to save the club which appeared to revolve around him getting the fans themselves to kindly invest £3million into the club.
I'd get over to their messageboard if you fancy a laugh............it's fair to say they're in total meltdown over this and the current owner must be peeing himself laughing as his divide and conquer masterplan looks to be working a treat.
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Post by northwestman on Dec 5, 2019 10:24:01 GMT 1
Court hearing now adjourned AGAIN until 18th December for 'processing of returns'.
No doubt the next hearing will be adjourned as it clashes with the judge's Christmas party.
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Post by northwestman on Dec 9, 2019 20:13:26 GMT 1
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Post by Pilch on Dec 9, 2019 20:31:27 GMT 1
I rest my case ;-)
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Post by tvor on Dec 17, 2019 19:37:06 GMT 1
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Post by tvor on Dec 18, 2019 12:48:09 GMT 1
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Dec 18, 2019 13:41:25 GMT 1
We just go round and round and round again...
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Post by Mortgagehound on Dec 18, 2019 15:57:29 GMT 1
So it appears the HMRC debt is now cleared.
What about the mortgage on gigg Lane?
Phoenix club applying to joint north west counties BUT the original Bury Fc is still breathing
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Post by davycrockett on Dec 18, 2019 16:14:04 GMT 1
So it appears the HMRC debt is now cleared. What about the mortgage on gigg Lane? Phoenix club applying to joint north west counties BUT the original Bury Fc is still breathing 😩😩 No point in paying the tax man and then going to the wall.... Suggest Dale is still trying to hold on whilst fans register a phoenix club before a deadline ....
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Post by ssshrew on Dec 18, 2019 17:26:05 GMT 1
You couldn’t make it up and put it in a book.
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Post by northwestman on Dec 18, 2019 17:54:32 GMT 1
twohundredpercent.net/bury-darkest-hour-just-before-dawn/This is a very well researched article. However, at the moment Bury fans seem to be going down the same route as those at Northwich, where as a result of splitting there are now 2 Clubs (3 if you include Witton Albion), neither of which is very high up the pyramid. Both are currently playing in the NWCFL Premier Division.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 18:19:42 GMT 1
I've sadly lost the plot as far as this saga is concerned.
I assume Dale still owns Bury FC and more importantly Gigg Lane?
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Post by northwestman on Dec 18, 2019 18:35:31 GMT 1
I've sadly lost the plot as far as this saga is concerned. I assume Dale still owns Bury FC and more importantly Gigg Lane? He does indeed, subject to the loans taken out against the Ground and the Social Club.
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Post by tvor on Dec 19, 2019 16:45:20 GMT 1
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Dec 20, 2019 11:16:12 GMT 1
You couldn’t make it up and put it in a book. You would even struggle to do a soap opera and make it seem not far fetched i would say.
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Post by northwestman on Dec 20, 2019 11:56:25 GMT 1
www.buryphoenix.co.uk/2019/12/forever-bury-meeting/And a comment from a Bury fan which is pretty representative of the reaction of most of them:- "Summary of the meeting. Rob Benwell was not prepared Rob Benwell clearly hadn't done his homework on financial matters Rob Benwell contradicted himself numerous times Rob Benwell is in it for his own financial gain It was picked up on by various people in the room that his model was not financially viable. He showed nothing at all on paper to back up anything he was saying. His answers on predictions & other financial matters came across as & indeed were pie in the sky. Months ago he reached out to the fans asking for support & making it very clear that he would WANT a profit (his words). He didn't get the support he wanted. He then approaches the board of Forever Bury who (less the four Phoenix Co-Elected members) supported him & bring him to the meeting, not prepared, lying to the room saying he wasn't in it for a profit when he clearly was & is. Many contradictions made & the biggest being that he wants the club in a trust for his children, makes reference to many years going forward, wants 90%... yet says he'll only be a short term custodian. WHAT ! Ill prepared, limited financial knowledge of football, poor financial predictions that DON'T add up...seat of the pants stuff & yet he wants to own a club to replace Bury FC. Sorry Mr Benwell, but NO thanks".
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Post by ssshrew on Dec 20, 2019 17:46:39 GMT 1
Just the sort of bloke the EFL will back if you ask me!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2019 9:45:42 GMT 1
Bury are now in talks with a consortium of bury fans.they are in talks with dale.good luck with that then.
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Post by northwestman on Dec 21, 2019 10:00:03 GMT 1
Several League One clubs are considering legal action against the EFL over insufficient punishments for Bolton Wanderers for registering players late at the start of the season.
It has been reported that administrators who helped save Bolton from following Bury out of the English Football League this summer are still owed more than £1 million in fees, prompting concerns about the new owners’ finances.
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Post by northwestman on Dec 21, 2019 10:22:29 GMT 1
From the Bury Board.
"Mr Benwell plans a phoenix club saddled with a debt of circa £2.9m and a stadium with significant upkeep costs.
His plan sees him pay £600,000 as a deposit to CBF. He then wants the CLUB (not the ground) in his name, with him owning 90% and Forever Bury owning 10%. He will sell the club, in annual chunks, by annual share issue to investors. He will retain the final 30%
The ground would be in trust, in his childrens' name, with him in sole control, as his children are minors. He would have 100% control of the ground. He then expects the fans to raise money to pay off the outstanding debt (£2.9m) to CBF so that the ground is debt free. He will then sell (part of or all?) the ground back to the club/fans.
He plans to fund the INTEREST only of the £2.9m debt with 2,000 ADULT fans, paying £16 per match, £4 of which services the interest.
Is he, in effect, selling the club and the ground back to the fans?
Has Mr Benwell studied the profile of the Bury FC fanbase? I would estimate that around third (?) of our crowds are concessions, over 60/5(?) under 18, under 16, under 5 (free).
To meet the interest payment only Mr Benwell would need a gate of around 2,500 to 3,000 to watch tier eight or nine football, with the adult section paying twice as much as fans of other clubs in the same league.
The football club would have to drag the £2.9m debt in their wake as they struggle to climb up the leagues.
Is my understanding (above) correct as stated last night? Do people really, truly think that this is in anyway a good idea?
The Phoenix offer affordable football, with a club operating within it's means, playing away from Gigg for a period of time while we raise the funds to get back into Gigg Lane somehow.
Having said that I do hope that the consortium come through, I am sure that the Phoenix and consortium can find a way to work together , after all WE are ALL Bury fans".
Benwell also wants a share of any profits.
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Post by northwestman on Dec 21, 2019 10:31:31 GMT 1
Bury are now in talks with a consortium of bury fans.they are in talks with dale.good luck with that then. Indeed so. www.theguardian.com/football/2019/dec/20/consortium-bury-talks-fans-plan-b-debts"Questioned by a supporter about the number of dissolved companies of which he has been a director, Benwell said none had gone into liquidation and that dissolving companies can be an efficient way of closing them down. Interviewed by the media, Benwell cited two companies as the main businesses from which he has made money: Optimal Hosting and R5. Optimal Hosting was struck off the company register and dissolved in August 2016. Its last accounts, for the year to 31 July 2014, showed it had net assets of £57,715. R5 stopped trading in 2009; seven years later, according to a court document, Benwell applied to have it restored with a new name, RBS Global Trading, sohe could access the money still in its bank account. Benwell said he had sold the company’s assets and closed it down, which meant its bank account had been frozen for years. “I forgot about it until we were moving house and I was going through the old paperwork and noticed the money was still in the account,” he said".
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Post by Pilch on Dec 21, 2019 14:57:23 GMT 1
bury, bury, bury
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Post by northwestman on Dec 21, 2019 17:10:26 GMT 1
If you don't wish to read any more of my posts on Bury, then don't log on to this thread. I've plenty of posts elsewhere.
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Post by Pilch on Dec 21, 2019 17:39:58 GMT 1
If you don't wish to read any more of my posts on Bury, then don't log on to this thread. I've plenty of posts elsewhere. bury, bury, moan ;-)
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Post by northwestman on Jan 1, 2020 14:06:43 GMT 1
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Post by gainsparkshrew on Jan 1, 2020 15:07:52 GMT 1
Starting to get on my nerves now, "forever the victims" sound like Scousers hey pilch ? We would've been playing them today
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