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Post by scooter on Jul 28, 2019 13:01:01 GMT 1
I see both Harry Burgoyne and Ben Garrett are the 2 keepers in the Bury squad for their PSF at Vale this afternoon.christ they must be desperate to play football. I can't see them getting paid. Harry Burgoyne will be ok, as he will still get paid by Wolves. Gone on a season long loan apparently
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Jul 29, 2019 12:08:15 GMT 1
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Post by northwestman on Jul 29, 2019 15:26:59 GMT 1
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Post by northwestman on Jul 29, 2019 18:21:29 GMT 1
EFL extended Bury's deadline until 5p.m. today.
Still nothing from them.
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Jul 29, 2019 21:44:25 GMT 1
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Jul 29, 2019 21:48:31 GMT 1
Bolton's game goes ahead and Bury's is OFF.
"As a result of not meeting Monday’s 5pm deadline, which had been extended on two previous occasions, the EFL Board feels it has been placed in an unenviable position and, regrettably, has opted to take the reluctant decision to suspend Saturday’s opening day fixture with MK Dons under the provision of EFL Regulation 28.2.
In addition, the EFL Board, if not in possession of the necessary evidence by 12pm on Friday 2 August 2019, will make a determination as to whether to suspend Bury’s away fixture at Accrington Stanley on Saturday 10 August 2019"
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Jul 29, 2019 21:51:48 GMT 1
So how many games need to be suspended until Bury get chucked out/expunged out of the league? I’m glad EFL have the necessary action for the opening game anyway but how long is this going to go on for?
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Post by northwestman on Jul 29, 2019 21:53:07 GMT 1
BURY
Following continued and comprehensive discussions with the ownership at Bury and other interested parties throughout Monday, the EFL Board is not satisfied it has received the necessary evidence in regard to the outstanding information it requires that demonstrates how the Club will be funded moving forwards.
As a result of not meeting Monday’s 5pm deadline, which had been extended on two previous occasions, the EFL Board feels it has been placed in an unenviable position and, regrettably, has opted to take the reluctant decision to suspend Saturday’s opening day fixture with MK Dons under the provision of EFL Regulation 28.2.
In addition, the EFL Board, if not in possession of the necessary evidence by 12pm on Friday 2 August 2019, will make a determination as to whether to suspend Bury’s away fixture at Accrington Stanley on Saturday 10 August 2019.
As has been the case throughout this entire process, the EFL will continue to offer its full assistance to the ownership at Bury, but remains clear that while the League is here to support the Club through some extremely complex and complicated issues, the outstanding matters can only be resolved with the cooperation from the Club itself.
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Jul 29, 2019 21:59:14 GMT 1
Also this means MK Dons first game is against us at home.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2019 22:06:16 GMT 1
So basically the league and every other club in it bends over backwards by 'suspending' fixtures for these retards to get their house in order.
In the meantime they will pay back a fraction of penny's on the pound to their creditors and the likes of Stewart Day and Steve Dale will skip along to their next victim, ironically probably another football club which Shaun Harvey will wave them through as 'fit and proper'.
All a bit of a joke really isn't it.
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Post by thesalmon on Jul 29, 2019 22:09:55 GMT 1
Also this means MK Dons first game is against us at home. Interestesting. Do you think that is a positive or negative for them when playing us? I'm not too sure either way Maybe they will try to arrange a 'competitive' friendly before playing us?
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Post by ssshrew on Jul 29, 2019 22:11:44 GMT 1
The joke is the EFL with no bottle to stand up to these types. Not fit for purpose.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 29, 2019 22:15:14 GMT 1
They also have the small matter of dealing with a winding up petition brought by HMRC in the High Court on Wednesday.
If the CVA that has been set up is called into question as to whether it can be funded, then Bury may well be staring down the barrel of liquidation. This is what happened to Hereford, who were wound up as a result of a petition brought by HMRC. The fact that Bury hasn't produced the required evidence to the EFL with regard to funding isn't I'd imagine going to impress the judge too much.
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Jul 29, 2019 22:23:03 GMT 1
Also this means MK Dons first game is against us at home. Interestesting. Do you think that is a positive or negative for them when playing us? I'm not too sure either way Maybe they will try to arrange a 'competitive' friendly before playing us? An interesting way of saying interesting 😉 I think it may be a positive for us as we will have 90 competitive minutes under our belt but MK Dons fans will see it as a positive to have their first game at home.
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Post by stfcfan87 on Jul 29, 2019 23:42:27 GMT 1
So basically the league and every other club in it bends over backwards by 'suspending' fixtures for these retards to get their house in order. In the meantime they will pay back a fraction of penny's on the pound to their creditors and the likes of Stewart Day and Steve Dale will skip along to their next victim, ironically probably another football club which Shaun Harvey will wave them through as 'fit and proper'. All a bit of a joke really isn't it. I think that Bolton are being aided I think they've pretty much concluded that Bury are totally ****ed and that postponing saturday's game is the first step in chucking them out. they've got to show they can pay off the £2million i believe they owe - after the CVA - then have the money to fund the club for the year ahead - so a squad, stadium & general staff. The EFL asked for proof several times and sounds like they've not had it
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Post by thesensationaljt on Jul 30, 2019 7:52:28 GMT 1
Also this means MK Dons first game is against us at home. Maybe they will try to arrange a 'competitive' friendly before playing us? Most teams at our level are playing Saturday. There is only Juan team not playing. They could try giving Bury a ring.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 30, 2019 9:01:52 GMT 1
So basically the league and every other club in it bends over backwards by 'suspending' fixtures for these retards to get their house in order. In the meantime they will pay back a fraction of penny's on the pound to their creditors and the likes of Stewart Day and Steve Dale will skip along to their next victim, ironically probably another football club which Shaun Harvey will wave them through as 'fit and proper'. All a bit of a joke really isn't it. I think that Bolton are being aided I think they've pretty much concluded that Bury are totally ****ed and that postponing saturday's game is the first step in chucking them out. they've got to show they can pay off the £2million i believe they owe - after the CVA - then have the money to fund the club for the year ahead - so a squad, stadium & general staff. The EFL asked for proof several times and sounds like they've not had it And don't forget there are legal charges of £3,700,000 against the ground and £120,000 against the Lounge and Sports Bar (which is only worth £94,000). Neither of these is included in the CVA and must be costing the Club enormous sums in interest charges. The Guardian has reported that the loan secured against the ground involves interest charges of £1,500 PER DAY. The Guardian understands that in the contracts, Capital Bridging Finance Solutions and Bury agreed that 40% of the money being borrowed would never come to the Club! Instead, Capital paid it to an unnamed third party, as an “introduction fee”. Bury still owe in full the initial £1.6m borrowed in October 2017, and must continue to pay interest on it, but £640,000 did not go to the club; Capital paid it out as an introduction fee. A subsequent loan in February 2018, for £722,800, is understood also to have involved a 40% fee paid to a third party – £289,120. There is also a secured loan of £150,000 secured on future income from the EFL which Dale is allegedly paying off as part of the CVA.
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Post by scooter on Jul 30, 2019 9:43:31 GMT 1
The joke is the EFL with no bottle to stand up to these types. Not fit for purpose. I am not sure what else the EFL can do when Bury have an owner who isn’t communicating with fans or cooperating with EFL, and doesn’t appear to have the money to run the club. A new set of regulations giving them the power to go into clubs would have to be agreed by the clubs. If Dale hadn’t taken over Bury would presumably have gone into admin last season, which in retrospect may have been better for them, but then they would have complained about missing out on their promotion
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 9:54:12 GMT 1
What's also annoying is that everyone else is having to play along.
Say it had been us at home to Bury this Saturday?
Suddenly all our preparations for the big kick off would be thrown in the air. Opening fixtures also tend to attract decent attendances, having to then potentially rearrange for mid week very much less so.
So Bury FC are well and truly cash strapped but we too would then take a hit with no fixture.
As for what happens next, think about another well run club, Accrington. They too are already in limbo in respect of their opening home game vs Bury a week Saturday. Whose to say that they wont suffer a cash flow issue (be it short term) should their game also be called off?
To me, (and I know it sounds harsh on all Bury fans) if you can't start the season because of financial difficulties then that should be it. In other words you are withdrawn from the league.
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Post by stfcfan87 on Jul 30, 2019 10:45:21 GMT 1
I think that Bolton are being aided I think they've pretty much concluded that Bury are totally ****ed and that postponing saturday's game is the first step in chucking them out. they've got to show they can pay off the £2million i believe they owe - after the CVA - then have the money to fund the club for the year ahead - so a squad, stadium & general staff. The EFL asked for proof several times and sounds like they've not had it And don't forget there are legal charges of £3,700,000 against the ground and £120,000 against the Lounge and Sports Bar (which is only worth £94,000). Neither of these is included in the CVA and must be costing the Club enormous sums in interest charges. The Guardian has reported that the loan secured against the ground involves interest charges of £1,500 PER DAY. The Guardian understands that in the contracts, Capital Bridging Finance Solutions and Bury agreed that 40% of the money being borrowed would never come to the Club! Instead, Capital paid it to an unnamed third party, as an “introduction fee”. Bury still owe in full the initial £1.6m borrowed in October 2017, and must continue to pay interest on it, but £640,000 did not go to the club; Capital paid it out as an introduction fee. A subsequent loan in February 2018, for £722,800, is understood also to have involved a 40% fee paid to a third party – £289,120. There is also a secured loan of £150,000 secured on future income from the EFL which Dale is allegedly paying off as part of the CVA. That'll be why they are truly ****ed then and why no one is willing to lend them money!
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Post by stfcfan87 on Jul 30, 2019 10:50:31 GMT 1
What's also annoying is that everyone else is having to play along. Say it had been us at home to Bury this Saturday? Suddenly all our preparations for the big kick off would be thrown in the air. Opening fixtures also tend to attract decent attendances, having to then potentially rearrange for mid week very much less so. So Bury FC are well and truly cash strapped but we too would then take a hit with no fixture. As for what happens next, think about another well run club, Accrington. They too are already in limbo in respect of their opening home game vs Bury a week Saturday. Whose to say that they wont suffer a cash flow issue (be it short term) should their game also be called off? To me, (and I know it sounds harsh on all Bury fans) if you can't start the season because of financial difficulties then that should be it. In other words you are withdrawn from the league. Yeh I've been saying this. Clubs have done their season budgets on the basis of 23 home games starting this weekend. Now one game has been postponed, questions must be on all of bury's others too - what happens to the tickets / season tickets bought for bury games?! And also, Bolton's game is going ahead against Wycombe, but to my knowledge Bolton have a handful of players, if they decide to play, but have had no preseason preparation, so Wycombe could have an easy 3 points - those could make a crucial difference at the end of the season
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 11:26:52 GMT 1
What's also annoying is that everyone else is having to play along. Say it had been us at home to Bury this Saturday? Suddenly all our preparations for the big kick off would be thrown in the air. Opening fixtures also tend to attract decent attendances, having to then potentially rearrange for mid week very much less so. So Bury FC are well and truly cash strapped but we too would then take a hit with no fixture. As for what happens next, think about another well run club, Accrington. They too are already in limbo in respect of their opening home game vs Bury a week Saturday. Whose to say that they wont suffer a cash flow issue (be it short term) should their game also be called off? To me, (and I know it sounds harsh on all Bury fans) if you can't start the season because of financial difficulties then that should be it. In other words you are withdrawn from the league. Yeh I've been saying this. Clubs have done their season budgets on the basis of 23 home games starting this weekend. Now one game has been postponed, questions must be on all of bury's others too - what happens to the tickets / season tickets bought for bury games?! And also, Bolton's game is going ahead against Wycombe, but to my knowledge Bolton have a handful of players, if they decide to play, but have had no preseason preparation, so Wycombe could have an easy 3 points - those could make a crucial difference at the end of the season At least Bury have had a pre-season including on Saturday against the Vile.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 30, 2019 11:30:29 GMT 1
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Post by martinshrew on Jul 30, 2019 11:58:32 GMT 1
Notice Radcliffe are 8/1 to beat them tonight. Have Bury got a team yet?
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Post by mosers91 on Jul 30, 2019 11:58:40 GMT 1
The EFL are not fit to run the league.
The EFL board need to follow the lead of the Conference, if a club don’t adhere to their rules they are expelled. Firm, fair and consistent!
If the EFL acted this way it would prevent hundreds of local business suffering reckless owners and would hopefully deter such reckless stewardship by so many unfit owners in the first place.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 30, 2019 12:00:32 GMT 1
MK Dons have released the following in relation to the statement made by the EFL earlier this evening [Monday].
MK Dons are hugely disappointed that our opening day fixture against Bury has been suspended. The Club’s preparations for the new season have been meticulously geared towards the 3rd August start date and this potential disruption to our planning, through no fault of our own, is most unwelcome.
That said, we understand that this is both a serious and complex situation and our overriding concern has to be for everyone at Bury Football Club and their supporters. We note that the EFL are doing everything they can to assist Bury and we hope that there will be both a swift and positive resolution to the current problems, and that Bury will quickly be back in Sky Bet League One action.
In the meantime, the Club has made representations to the EFL concerning the potential impact on both future fixture congestion and sequencing of away games. We have also outlined our concerns on behalf of supporters who may have booked travel or accommodation and who may not be able to recover all their costs. We would advise any supporter affected in this way to retain evidence of any such personal loss so these might be taken forward by the Club to the EFL to deal with as appropriate. More details will be announced following further consultation with the EFL.
Any supporter who has purchased a match ticket for this fixture, as well as those who booked Official Away Travel with the Club, can claim a full refund from the MK Dons Box Office.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 30, 2019 12:05:44 GMT 1
I wonder what fans of Mansfield must be thinking about all this. I'm sure they'd be more than capable of hosting a 3rd division tie this weekend. Must a grate a bit this, losing out on promotion by a side that next time around, can't even fulfill its fixtures. Really shouldn't have got this far at all. That everything is still up in the air this close to the season is daft. There has to be some cutoff where you should be able to demonstrate that your finances are up to what is needed for the season ahead. If not for the division you find yourself in, then you go down and down and down again if needs be, until you meet whatever requirements. The EFL aren't doing themselves any favours here, this looks amateurish.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 30, 2019 12:12:00 GMT 1
Meanwhile, there is no statement whatsoever on the Official Bury Site about the MK Dons game not being played.
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Jul 30, 2019 12:15:40 GMT 1
MK Dons have released the following in relation to the statement made by the EFL earlier this evening [Monday]. MK Dons are hugely disappointed that our opening day fixture against Bury has been suspended. The Club’s preparations for the new season have been meticulously geared towards the 3rd August start date and this potential disruption to our planning, through no fault of our own, is most unwelcome. That said, we understand that this is both a serious and complex situation and our overriding concern has to be for everyone at Bury Football Club and their supporters. We note that the EFL are doing everything they can to assist Bury and we hope that there will be both a swift and positive resolution to the current problems, and that Bury will quickly be back in Sky Bet League One action. In the meantime, the Club has made representations to the EFL concerning the potential impact on both future fixture congestion and sequencing of away games. We have also outlined our concerns on behalf of supporters who may have booked travel or accommodation and who may not be able to recover all their costs. We would advise any supporter affected in this way to retain evidence of any such personal loss so these might be taken forward by the Club to the EFL to deal with as appropriate. More details will be announced following further consultation with the EFL. Any supporter who has purchased a match ticket for this fixture, as well as those who booked Official Away Travel with the Club, can claim a full refund from the MK Dons Box Office. I note that there is no statement on the Bury FC website as of yet... Purely amateurish.
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Post by wakemanender on Jul 30, 2019 12:43:13 GMT 1
Anybody who wants to know anything about Bury FC including the Bury supporters and the EFL visits this forum or phones Northwestman at home.
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