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Post by Pilch on Apr 24, 2019 13:22:40 GMT 1
But for some to come on here, especially a prominent poster, and suggest that because others don’t agree with their point of view, they are ‘fickle’ or ‘greedy’ or ‘didn’t used to support the Town’ - is a joke. If I wanted to be greedy, I’d grow supporting someone like United - oh wait a minute!!!!! I do hope this is not a dig at Pilch, who does his best to try to belittle most on here with his superior knowledge and holier than thou attitude. heeeeeeeeeeeeeeere's downie, right on cue he parks where he likes he parks where he likes big car downie he parks where he likes oh yeah I forgot I support united even though I've never seen a premier league game of any sorts I won't even be watching the game tonight, got better things to do unlike the closet scousers on here who will be glued to the tv supporting united it wouldn't surprise me if 2000 ticketless fans from Liverpool turn up at Old Trafford trying to force their way into the home as if they own it
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Post by venceremos on Apr 24, 2019 13:26:12 GMT 1
Just one meeting with the select few and Sam's got his very own Spin Doctor on here. That's unfair. As much as I often disagree with Pilch, I think he makes a good case on this. Fair enough you don't agree but that doesn't entitle you to accuse him of spinning a party line. He (and I) just see this differently, that's all.
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Post by Pilch on Apr 24, 2019 13:39:31 GMT 1
Just one meeting with the select few and Sam's got his very own Spin Doctor on here. That's unfair. As much as I often disagree with Pilch, I think he makes a good case on this. Fair enough you don't agree but that doesn't entitle you to accuse him of spinning a party line. He (and I) just see this differently, that's all. mum , is that you ? ;-)
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Apr 24, 2019 13:42:44 GMT 1
It was Ole
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Post by venceremos on Apr 24, 2019 13:51:55 GMT 1
That's unfair. As much as I often disagree with Pilch, I think he makes a good case on this. Fair enough you don't agree but that doesn't entitle you to accuse him of spinning a party line. He (and I) just see this differently, that's all. mum , is that you ? ;-)
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Post by venceremos on Apr 24, 2019 13:57:32 GMT 1
A little something to add to the mix. Salop's last 10 games in Paul Hurst's relegation escaping season: W2 D3 L5 F7 A13 9 points - we finished 18th with 51 points, 2 above Port Vale in 21st. Salop's last 10 games this season: W3 D2 L5 F12 A13 11 points It was an even grimmer run in under Hurst. Then it got much, much better. Just thought I'd throw that in.
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Post by Pilch on Apr 24, 2019 14:11:50 GMT 1
lets face it had hurst not left when he did
by October, our regular moaners would have got him sacked anyway as we'd have been rock bottom like Ipswich were
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Post by blamber on Apr 24, 2019 14:20:44 GMT 1
lets face it had hurst not left when he did by October, our regular moaners would have got him sacked anyway as we'd have been rock bottom like Ipswich were Ye of little faith. Mid table at least!
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Post by Pilch on Apr 24, 2019 16:44:09 GMT 1
Perhaps SR should invite us all to one of his informal meetings, then we might all end up convinced??!!!! I Went and was not convinced, listened to what he said and was clear its a results business, the good run after that which will (probably) keep us up has brought him more time, but stuff like Saturday gives me lots of long term concerns, about how much learning on the job will costs us again next season. Dont think he will go, but it will be sink or swim first 4 months of next season, and having listened to everything he had to say if we are down the bottom again I will have lost all remaining faith I had that his long term plan is not anything more than hot air! should we consider that sam actually learnt more from us than we did from him ? maybe a coincidence that from that day we've played a lot better, well in comparison to how we were playing I know we've not been there done it or got the t sheet so to speak but we can talk a good game and several of us told him what he should be doing sounds far fetched but who knows ;-) I think it would be a great idea if sam did another sometime just before the season starts and if possible open to anyone
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Apr 24, 2019 17:02:23 GMT 1
I dont doubt the correlation Pilch to the very clear message about rotation, how that then suddenly stopped next game and since and results picked up.
If he was planning to do that before the message was got across, quite forcefully at times who knows, but its helped.
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Post by Pilch on Apr 24, 2019 17:08:14 GMT 1
I dont doubt the correlation Pilch to the very clear message about rotation, how that then suddenly stopped next game and since and results picked up. If he was planning to do that before the message was got across, quite forcefully at times who knows, but its helped. yes and 1 up front, and Whalley doesn't seem as deep since he needs some decent backroom staff :-0
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Apr 24, 2019 17:14:21 GMT 1
It kinda is right, an experienced assistant would have sorted out a lot of those issues we were talking to him about he seemed to take on board. Stopped playing Whalley wing back and found another way to get him in the team Generally stopped playing Holloway Stopped rotating Was signing fans praises much more that he was during that tough spell (expected I guess) Im sure there are others if I listened back to the Salopcast we did afterwards - and that pick up in form saved us... but where is the thanks eh
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Apr 24, 2019 17:28:07 GMT 1
I dont doubt the correlation Pilch to the very clear message about rotation, how that then suddenly stopped next game and since and results picked up. If he was planning to do that before the message was got across, quite forcefully at times who knows, but its helped. Results haven’t picked up. The meeting was straight after Wycombe at home, since then we’ve won 2, drew 1 and lost 2. In the five games before the meeting we won 2, drew 1 and lost 2. I would say that performances have generally been better but that counts for nothing.
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Post by Pilch on Apr 24, 2019 17:53:05 GMT 1
I dont doubt the correlation Pilch to the very clear message about rotation, how that then suddenly stopped next game and since and results picked up. If he was planning to do that before the message was got across, quite forcefully at times who knows, but its helped. Results haven’t picked up. The meeting was straight after Wycombe at home, since then we’ve won 2, drew 1 and lost 2. In the five games before the meeting we won 2, drew 1 and lost 2. I would say that performances have generally been better but that counts for nothing. I did mean performances sorry we've not had too much in the way of luck in those games either we've played a lot better than the results suggest which wasn't the case in the games prior to the meeting
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Post by blueboy62 on Apr 24, 2019 17:55:51 GMT 1
Before Walter Winterbottom became England manager the team was selected by a committee. Seems incredible now but I suppose they were fans involved in the game. Sounds similar to how Shrewsbury Town are run if we believe what we read.
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Post by venceremos on Apr 24, 2019 20:51:57 GMT 1
I Went and was not convinced, listened to what he said and was clear its a results business, the good run after that which will (probably) keep us up has brought him more time, but stuff like Saturday gives me lots of long term concerns, about how much learning on the job will costs us again next season. Dont think he will go, but it will be sink or swim first 4 months of next season, and having listened to everything he had to say if we are down the bottom again I will have lost all remaining faith I had that his long term plan is not anything more than hot air! should we consider that sam actually learnt more from us than we did from him ? maybe a coincidence that from that day we've played a lot better, well in comparison to how we were playing I know we've not been there done it or got the t sheet so to speak but we can talk a good game and several of us told him what he should be doing sounds far fetched but who knows ;-) I think it would be a great idea if sam did another sometime just before the season starts and if possible open to anyone I agree 100% - it sounds far fetched.
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Post by venceremos on Apr 24, 2019 21:00:07 GMT 1
Before Walter Winterbottom became England manager the team was selected by a committee. Seems incredible now but I suppose they were fans involved in the game. Sounds similar to how Shrewsbury Town are run if we believe what we read. It was an FA committee - I don’t think fans would have been anywhere near being involved! It was only as Alf Ramsey over in 1962 that the manager had sole selection responsibility.
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Post by blueboy62 on Apr 24, 2019 21:57:20 GMT 1
Before Walter Winterbottom became England manager the team was selected by a committee. Seems incredible now but I suppose they were fans involved in the game. Sounds similar to how Shrewsbury Town are run if we believe what we read. It was an FA committee - I don’t think fans would have been anywhere near being involved! It was only as Alf Ramsey over in 1962 that the manager had sole selection responsibility. You're right. Winterbottom was the last manager tof have to work this way.
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Post by Pilch on Apr 25, 2019 1:33:04 GMT 1
should we consider that sam actually learnt more from us than we did from him ? maybe a coincidence that from that day we've played a lot better, well in comparison to how we were playing I know we've not been there done it or got the t sheet so to speak but we can talk a good game and several of us told him what he should be doing sounds far fetched but who knows ;-) I think it would be a great idea if sam did another sometime just before the season starts and if possible open to anyone I agree 100% - it sounds far fetched. im not claiming any of this for myself but one of 2 seemed to be giving sam a bit of a gypsies warning that night and from a distance I can see that he may have taken some of it on board
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Post by jamo on May 4, 2019 21:02:45 GMT 1
Thank you Sam. A satisfactory conclusion to a miserable season.
Now go, with some dignity and quickly.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2019 21:48:07 GMT 1
Thank you Sam. A satisfactory conclusion to a miserable season. Now go, with some dignity and quickly. Surely there’s no chance of this, Jamo?
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Post by SouthStandShrew on May 4, 2019 21:50:43 GMT 1
Needs an experienced number 2 in.
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Post by Red Rose In Exile on May 4, 2019 21:51:25 GMT 1
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on May 4, 2019 22:17:10 GMT 1
Let's face it, it isn't going to happen. He's signed a decent contract and we haven't been relegated. He has til at least Christmas I would think. Some backroom changes possibly. But has to be given the chance to build his own team and I suspect he will be.
Long summer ahead though. Got half a squad but questionably not much of a first team. But in January he got Ro-Shaun and Campbell so a few more of those types, probably on loan, bedded in with pre season and we might be a whole lot better.
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Post by Mortgagehound on May 4, 2019 22:29:26 GMT 1
Has he gone yet?
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Post by Dale on May 5, 2019 10:01:43 GMT 1
Thank you Sam. A satisfactory conclusion to a miserable season. Now go, with some dignity and quickly. Unfortunately not a chance of that happening, he won’t resign and he won’t be sacked. I fully expect him to be in charge for the first weekend of August, it’ll be interesting to see what changes he will make over the close season and whether they work out for the better or not, for the record I’m still not fully convinced by him but guess we will just have to give him the benefit of the doubt for now.
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 5, 2019 10:07:07 GMT 1
ricketts will be with us next season, after paying off Askey and his backroom team i cant see the chairman doing that all over again after Ricketts kept us up. it will be his team , his fitness regime and i will see how he gets on after 12 games. he kept us up and he deserves a chance .i hope he proves me wrong but i am not a fan.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2019 10:15:29 GMT 1
Needs an experienced number 2 in. It still seems ridiculous to me that our current & previous manager have not managed in the football league before AND have such an inexperienced back room staff.
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Post by callum on May 5, 2019 10:18:35 GMT 1
The first thing he needs to work on is fitness, none of the players were anywhere near as fit as the last season under Hurst, being so fit won us a lot of points that year.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2019 10:53:34 GMT 1
Needs an experienced number 2 in. It still seems ridiculous to me that our current & previous manager have not managed in the football league before AND have such an inexperienced back room staff. He already has - Pitts is this man. Like it or lump it, that’s how it rolls. Interesting to read online that he’s a ‘high performance advisor’. He’s not working at the moment because I’ve not seen any high performance, or improvement in their mental attributes
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