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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2019 10:23:40 GMT 1
You are trying very hard for a bite owd lad . Pack it in before you make an even bigger c**k of yourself .
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Post by Pilch on May 13, 2019 16:59:34 GMT 1
Maybe it’s time for the top four clubs in the Premier League, the usual four Man City, Liverpool, Spurs and Chelsea are usually recognised as the Big Four, to break away into a European Super League where they play against the likes of Barca, Real, Juventus et al. in a League format. The second tier English teams like Arsenal, Man Utd maybe Wolves following their resurgence, Everton, can still compete in a league format, but we can call it it’s original name, the First Division and so n down the league system. Promotion to the ESL would be based on consistency over a , say, 3 year period otherwise you could get clubs, say Man U who do well one year but do not maintain the necccessary development to be considered Super League candidates .
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Post by haughmond on May 13, 2019 17:24:50 GMT 1
I can see the wheel, but where’s Ole. Maybe he’s lost control, oh no.
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Post by Pilch on May 13, 2019 17:32:07 GMT 1
I can see the wheel, but where’s Ole. Maybe he’s lost control, oh no. severn heaven was right ;-)
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Post by Exkeeper on May 13, 2019 17:38:17 GMT 1
I can see the wheel, but where’s Ole. Maybe he’s lost control, oh no. severn heaven was right ;-) Surely not?
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Post by martinshrew on May 13, 2019 17:59:51 GMT 1
I can see the wheel, but where’s Ole. Maybe he’s lost control, oh no. Give up you're boring.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2019 18:49:41 GMT 1
Petty rivalries aside, this is an interesting question though.
Not sure the Utd board ever intended for Ole to be the next permanent manager but having ridden the ‘not Mourinho’ wave for long enough they were backed into a corner. Especially after Paris.
Since then though, with a win rate of 20% they must be wondering whether they’ve made the right call. Heart having ruled head maybe.
So what do they do? Back him in the summer transfer market? Cut their losses and run?
I’m guessing they’ll back him, but more because Utd supporters want that than because they believe it’s the right thing to do.
Interesting summer ahead at Old Trafford.
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Post by tvor on May 13, 2019 18:54:18 GMT 1
I'm sure he'll stay and money will be made available, the bigger question is who at Man United actually does the recruitment. I listened to Gary Neville speaking about this on Sky recently. He said two centre backs Mourinho wanted last summer were blocked by people above and that there are something like four people at the club still involved in recruitment, those people having been brought in by various managers going right back to Moyes.
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Post by JohnG on May 13, 2019 19:29:32 GMT 1
Similar to the Di Matteo situation at Chelsea a few years ago. The popular appointment but not the one the club really wanted!
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Post by Pilch on May 13, 2019 19:54:23 GMT 1
Petty rivalries aside, this is an interesting question though. Not sure the Utd board ever intended for Ole to be the next permanent manager but having ridden the ‘not Mourinho’ wave for long enough they were backed into a corner. Especially after Paris. Since then though, with a win rate of 20% they must be wondering whether they’ve made the right call. Heart having ruled head maybe. So what do they do? Back him in the summer transfer market? Cut their losses and run? I’m guessing they’ll back him, but more because Utd supporters want that than because they believe it’s the right thing to do. Interesting summer ahead at Old Trafford. The solution is obvious Sack Soljskaar and then bring him back as caretaker manager
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Post by tvor on Oct 1, 2019 13:21:12 GMT 1
Man United's worst ever start to a Premier League season and their worst start to a season for 30 years. It will be interesting to see if the powers that be at Old Trafford are prepared to give Solskjaer time to continue to develop a younger side or whether they will again look elsewhere.
Seven of Man United's next eight fixtures are away from home, the only home game being against Liverpool, so it won't be easy to improve on their poor start.
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Post by chirkshrew on Oct 1, 2019 17:15:22 GMT 1
Sometime soon I hope, Salop will be playing utd in the league, championship team at best utd at the moment
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Post by venceremos on Oct 1, 2019 17:35:44 GMT 1
Sometime soon I hope, Salop will be playing utd in the league, championship team at best utd at the moment Wishful thinking. They'll finish much closer to the top position than the bottom - top 4 unlikely, top 6 probably. Like everybody else they'll be miles behind the points total of the top two but you won't see them anywhere near the Championship - ever.
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Post by neilsalop on Oct 1, 2019 17:52:29 GMT 1
Sometime soon I hope, Salop will be playing utd in the league, championship team at best utd at the moment Wishful thinking. They'll finish much closer to the top position than the bottom - top 4 unlikely, top 6 probably. Like everybody else they'll be miles behind the points total of the top two but you won't see them anywhere near the Championship - ever.
Never say never owd lad.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2019 19:02:40 GMT 1
Since Ole got the job full time Utd have won only 4 of 15 Prem games. Uncharted territory for a generation of Utd fans.
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Post by chirkshrew on Oct 1, 2019 20:43:52 GMT 1
They've gone down before and they could do it again, with the team they've got, and the way they're playing at the moment----poor, very poor
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Post by Exkeeper on Oct 2, 2019 7:40:49 GMT 1
They've gone down before and they could do it again, with the team they've got, and the way they're playing at the moment----poor, very poor Ole needs time. Give him five years to build his own team without any pressure. They may get a few extra “fans” from down south after the Spurs performance last night.
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Post by Pilch on Oct 2, 2019 8:14:06 GMT 1
going down the home grown and youth route is risky but if it succeeds there is no better way to do it, its part of uniteds history that they have succeeded going this way in the past and in style too, fair play to ole for trying, at least he's sticking to his guns, has this been Shrewsbury, he'd have been booed out of town by now
the shouts for potchetino and Zidane seem to be as quite as those for hurst these days
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2019 10:12:42 GMT 1
Could be worse could be spurs allegedly dealing with Vertonghen having a dip in Eriksens Mrs!
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 2, 2019 11:48:30 GMT 1
Wishful thinking. They'll finish much closer to the top position than the bottom - top 4 unlikely, top 6 probably. Like everybody else they'll be miles behind the points total of the top two but you won't see them anywhere near the Championship - ever.
Never say never owd lad.
Yes, never say never, but, for the moment, we could start thinking about playing Huddersfield and Stoke in our league. Don't think we can quite leapfrog them yet. It's not that far, only a few season's since we had Wolves in our league.
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Post by venceremos on Oct 2, 2019 13:14:56 GMT 1
They've gone down before and they could do it again, with the team they've got, and the way they're playing at the moment----poor, very poor It's all relative. Obviously they're miles behind City and Liverpool, but so is everyone else. United drew with Arsenal, they've beaten Chelsea and Leicester - they've only lost 2 out of 7 games; they're not below the level of most PL teams. Of course that's not where United will want to be but it's still a much higher level than the relegation places. They'll continue to recruit in January. I was around in 73/74 and it's not about to repeat itself. It's different now (and I think that's a bad thing) - but United, like City, Liverpool, Spurs, Arsenal & Chelsea, will never be in the Championship.
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Post by Pilch on Oct 2, 2019 16:52:16 GMT 1
They've gone down before and they could do it again, with the team they've got, and the way they're playing at the moment----poor, very poor It's all relative. Obviously they're miles behind City and Liverpool, but so is everyone else. United drew with Arsenal, they've beaten Chelsea and Leicester - they've only lost 2 out of 7 games; they're not below the level of most PL teams. Of course that's not where United will want to be but it's still a much higher level than the relegation places. They'll continue to recruit in January. I was around in 73/74 and it's not about to repeat itself. It's different now (and I think that's a bad thing) - but United, like City, Liverpool, Spurs, Arsenal & Chelsea, will never be in the Championship. I dont think Leicester are too far behind, they look good at the moment
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Oct 2, 2019 17:56:04 GMT 1
I had a bet with a United ST holder at the end of last season that Leicester would finish above United. My money looks safe.
With reference to 1974, the only United league game I’ve attended was v. West Brom that year (with my father in law who was a WBA supporter). It was very sad to see Bobby Charlton struggling at the end of his career.
correction - it must have been 1973 as Charlton had left by ‘74.
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Post by martinshrew on Oct 2, 2019 18:04:16 GMT 1
It's all relative. Obviously they're miles behind City and Liverpool, but so is everyone else. United drew with Arsenal, they've beaten Chelsea and Leicester - they've only lost 2 out of 7 games; they're not below the level of most PL teams. Of course that's not where United will want to be but it's still a much higher level than the relegation places. They'll continue to recruit in January. I was around in 73/74 and it's not about to repeat itself. It's different now (and I think that's a bad thing) - but United, like City, Liverpool, Spurs, Arsenal & Chelsea, will never be in the Championship. I dont think Leicester are too far behind, they look good at the moment You're surely not suggesting that Leicester are close to City/Liverpool? They're looking good to break the top 6 yes, but miles from being top 2.
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Post by Pilch on Oct 2, 2019 18:26:52 GMT 1
I dont think Leicester are too far behind, they look good at the moment You're surely not suggesting that Leicester are close to City/Liverpool? They're looking good to break the top 6 yes, but miles from being top 2. if 2 points behind the side that recently lost to Norwich is miles then yeah
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Post by venceremos on Oct 2, 2019 18:52:59 GMT 1
I had a bet with a United ST holder at the end of last season that Leicester would finish above United. My money looks safe. With reference to 1974, the only United league game I’ve attended was v. West Brom that year (with my father in law who was a WBA supporter). It was very sad to see Bobby Charlton struggling at the end of his career. correction - it must have been 1973 as Charlton had left by ‘74. A 5 point gap with 31 games to play is safe? OK. I'd still take the bet on your friend's side even now.
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Post by venceremos on Oct 2, 2019 18:54:33 GMT 1
You're surely not suggesting that Leicester are close to City/Liverpool? They're looking good to break the top 6 yes, but miles from being top 2. if 2 points behind the side that recently lost to Norwich is miles then yeah You surely wouldn't measure the gap between the teams as the points difference after 7 games. The gap at the end of the season will be a lot closer to 20 than 2.
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Post by Pilch on Oct 2, 2019 19:00:20 GMT 1
if 2 points behind the side that recently lost to Norwich is miles then yeah You surely wouldn't measure the gap between the teams as the points difference after 7 games. The gap at the end of the season will be a lot closer to 20 than 2. yeah, no way Leicester would ever win the league ;-) they are actually 2 points better off so far in comparison to their title winning season
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Oct 2, 2019 19:17:39 GMT 1
I had a bet with a United ST holder at the end of last season that Leicester would finish above United. My money looks safe. With reference to 1974, the only United league game I’ve attended was v. West Brom that year (with my father in law who was a WBA supporter). It was very sad to see Bobby Charlton struggling at the end of his career. correction - it must have been 1973 as Charlton had left by ‘74. A 5 point gap with 31 games to play is safe? OK. I'd still take the bet on your friend's side even now. I’m thinking in terms of form. Leicester appear to be on the up while United are treading water at best. Let’s revisit this at the end of the season.
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Post by venceremos on Oct 2, 2019 19:30:43 GMT 1
A 5 point gap with 31 games to play is safe? OK. I'd still take the bet on your friend's side even now. I’m thinking in terms of form. Leicester appear to be on the up while United are treading water at best. Let’s revisit this at the end of the season. No question about that. I don't expect much from United but the general criticism of them is overdone (as it always is). Just because they're so far behind City and Liverpool doesn't mean they're behind the rest of the PL. I dare say some might now be naughtily fancying Spurs for relegation after their shellacking by Bayern last night. I believe they have a worse record than United in 2019.
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