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Post by martinshrew on Feb 21, 2019 17:36:33 GMT 1
Its quite entertaining really, last summer Hurst was the devil and everyone was delighted with Caldwell for playing hardball and telling it exactly like it is Things aren't going so well on the pitch now so some fans want Hurst and are blaming Caldwell for hin not coming back And who said football fans are fickle Maybe fans have heard certain things, maybe certain things have come to light? Maybe this has changed opinion somewhat?
It's not just me peddling rumour on the board, plenty in agreement and have heard the same things.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 17:55:50 GMT 1
It’s not just the Hurst thing, lets not forget the lies over the fans ‘choice’ on the kit vote, the promise of a Xmas hamper for each supporter who travelled to Fleetwood for the umpteenth time and ended up with a cash and carry discounted 99p kiddies chocolate stocking, lost count of the amount of times he’s contradicted himself on interviews etc and ended up looking a ‘little’ foolish.....and then there’s the ‘stories’ of an ultimatum of Hurst or him. My opinion is that he loves the sound of his own voice and in doing so loves to tell the fanbase what he wants them to hear and on occasion then forgets what he’s said and trips up on his own words. As I mention, it’s just my opinion but depending on who you talk and listen to it’s one that isn’t alone
No one individual is bigger than the club itself and this is the man who ‘allegedly’ alienated Hurst and then headhunted both Askey and Ricketts, controversial thought but for me one of the reasons we find ourself having sunk from a promotion seeking position to a relegation fear in less than 9months
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Post by stfcfan87 on Feb 21, 2019 18:48:21 GMT 1
Fair enough. Hadn't seen that in black and white before. But he doesn't blame Caldwell for not coming back there, he says a lot of fans would have found it difficult
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 18:54:36 GMT 1
Thanks for your considered contribution. There's a bit more to it than safe standing going on, but there you go. You think the other stuff going on is more important than on the pitch matters? Player's and managers come and go. We're here for a lifetime, that's why fan engagement is important and necessary. Since BC has been here there has been meaningful engagement between the SP and the Club. He has facilitated that. This is not to say he's beyond critique and mistakes haven't been made, but it's about long stability off the pitch and the Club being well run to enable us to watch a team at all in whatever division. Paul Hurst cleared off (which is fine) as soon as a 'big' club lifted its skirts. Players clear off as soon as a club offers a extra couple hundred quid a week, fair enough. That doesn't build anything. So, yeah want happens on a match day is fleeting. What happens off the pitch could last a generation if we get it right.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 18:55:46 GMT 1
Its quite entertaining really, last summer Hurst was the devil and everyone was delighted with Caldwell for playing hardball and telling it exactly like it is Things aren't going so well on the pitch now so some fans want Hurst and are blaming Caldwell for hin not coming back And who said football fans are fickle Maybe fans have heard certain things, maybe certain things have come to light? Maybe this has changed opinion somewhat?
It's not just me peddling rumour on the board, plenty in agreement and have heard the same things.
For starters, just because we have heard the same rumours, it doesn't mean they are accurate. It's a small town and a small football club, the same things get repeated over & over and somehow that means its gospel. My point though is peoples principles & morals go out of the window because it's all about results on the pitch. You can say stuff like 'things have come to light' but that's just a convenient kop out, especially as nothing has actually come to light, just rumours
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 18:59:19 GMT 1
It’s not just the Hurst thing, lets not forget the lies over the fans ‘choice’ on the kit vote, the promise of a Xmas hamper for each supporter who travelled to Fleetwood for the umpteenth time and ended up with a cash and carry discounted 99p kiddies chocolate stocking, lost count of the amount of times he’s contradicted himself on interviews etc and ended up looking a ‘little’ foolish.....and then there’s the ‘stories’ of an ultimatum of Hurst or him. My opinion is that he loves the sound of his own voice and in doing so loves to tell the fanbase what he wants them to hear and on occasion then forgets what he’s said and trips up on his own words. As I mention, it’s just my opinion but depending on who you talk and listen to it’s one that isn’t alone No one individual is bigger than the club itself and this is the man who ‘allegedly’ alienated Hurst and then headhunted both Askey and Ricketts, controversial thought but for me one of the reasons we find ourself having sunk from a promotion seeking position to a relegation fear in less than 9months So, ever met BC then? Only asking because there's a lot off 'stories' and 'allegedly' going on here. And, like any workplace, there are going to be personality clashes.
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Post by tvor on Feb 21, 2019 19:21:34 GMT 1
As usual with agenda driven keyboard warriors, it's all I've heard this, references to stories, I'm in the know but I'm not going to back it up with anything of substance etc, etc, blah, blah. All incredibly tiresome.
Either be man enough the say exactly what you know and properly back it up or stop being a coward by performing a character assassination of Brian Caldwell from behind your keyboard with these frequent pathetic comments which mean bugger all without anything to back them up.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 19:37:59 GMT 1
As usual with agenda driven keyboard warriors, it's all I've heard this, references to stories, I'm in the know but I'm not going to back it up with anything of substance etc, etc, blah, blah. All incredibly tiresome. Either be man enough the say exactly what you know and properly back it up or stop being a coward by performing a character assassination of Brian Caldwell from behind your keyboard with these frequent pathetic comments which mean bugger all without anything to back them up. So the kit voting fiasco was made up and fabrications were not made up regarding the result, documented promises of a Xmas hamper were a figment if my imagination, I’m certainly not going to name names regarding what has been said to me but I’ve a reasonable record of getting things right regarding comings and goings and on that basis I’ll believe what I’m told regarding ultimatums etc We are all entitled to opinions and thoughts, you choose to disbelieve and that’s fine, your prerogative, I choose to believe the words of those who I know well
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Post by bellevuesalopian on Feb 21, 2019 19:53:33 GMT 1
Be Interested to know if people think the fans Parliament reps are to close to the club?
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Post by Northwest Shrew on Feb 21, 2019 21:25:26 GMT 1
As usual with agenda driven keyboard warriors, it's all I've heard this, references to stories, I'm in the know but I'm not going to back it up with anything of substance etc, etc, blah, blah. All incredibly tiresome. Either be man enough the say exactly what you know and properly back it up or stop being a coward by performing a character assassination of Brian Caldwell from behind your keyboard with these frequent pathetic comments which mean bugger all without anything to back them up. How about askeys exit and Caldwell’s behaviour? Or was that a made up story?
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Post by Mortgagehound on Feb 21, 2019 21:43:11 GMT 1
Legends card......
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 23:08:49 GMT 1
As usual with agenda driven keyboard warriors, it's all I've heard this, references to stories, I'm in the know but I'm not going to back it up with anything of substance etc, etc, blah, blah. All incredibly tiresome. Either be man enough the say exactly what you know and properly back it up or stop being a coward by performing a character assassination of Brian Caldwell from behind your keyboard with these frequent pathetic comments which mean bugger all without anything to back them up. Similarly Paul Hursts character has been assassinated on here by many key board warriors. I don’t know whether all that has been said against him is true or not relating to his leaving. Only PH, Brian Caldwell and Roland W will know the whole story of what went on.
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Post by franthetownfan on Feb 21, 2019 23:22:00 GMT 1
As usual with agenda driven keyboard warriors, it's all I've heard this, references to stories, I'm in the know but I'm not going to back it up with anything of substance etc, etc, blah, blah. All incredibly tiresome. Either be man enough the say exactly what you know and properly back it up or stop being a coward by performing a character assassination of Brian Caldwell from behind your keyboard with these frequent pathetic comments which mean bugger all without anything to back them up. Similarly Paul Hursts character has been assassinated on here by many key board warriors. I don’t know whether all that has been said against him is true or not relating to his leaving. Only PH, Brian Caldwell and Roland W will know the whole story of what went on. Probably nothing - just people who can’t get over the fact we lost and didn’t go up. The same people who’d be slagging the manager off this season when we were bottom by miles had we gone up!
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Post by markglasgow on Feb 24, 2019 23:39:02 GMT 1
As usual with agenda driven keyboard warriors, it's all I've heard this, references to stories, I'm in the know but I'm not going to back it up with anything of substance etc, etc, blah, blah. All incredibly tiresome. Either be man enough the say exactly what you know and properly back it up or stop being a coward by performing a character assassination of Brian Caldwell from behind your keyboard with these frequent pathetic comments which mean bugger all without anything to back them up. Ibut I’ve a reasonable record of getting things right regarding comings and goings and on that basis I’ll believe what I’m told regarding ultimatums etcWe are all entitled to opinions and thoughts, you choose to disbelieve and that’s fine, your prerogative, I choose to believe the words of those who I know well The mere suggestion that any CEO of a football club will have an impeccable record in every matter they deal in. I'm happy with the idea the BC hasn't always got things spot on. I wouldn't expect him to. The notion that he is some kind of arch-fiend which we must run out of town at the first available opportunity is quite simply bizarre. If BC did offer to resign if PH was offered the job back here then he's a hero in my book. He clearly was of the opinion, shared by many, that PH's conduct during May last year was at best detrimental to the club. At worst wholly despicable and disrespectful. The notion that PH would waltz back in here and pick up where he left off is pretty bizarre. He did wonderfully well to create what he gave us but there is no evidence from his work before at Grimsby and the later disaster at Ipswich that Hurst would automatically deliver success. We wondered who could pick up the reigns after Matt left and in my opinion BC has pretty much smashed it. Proud to have him take this club forward.
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